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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
You mean the FIRST 11 is actually alright.

The "squad" has many holes and not enough robust first 11 quality to push for spots or cover when injuries strike. We went into the season with no decent cover at right back OR left back. Richarlison can't get on the pitch so if Solanke's out there's no cover.

Which makes it even more baffling that when Solanke is out Ange drops/rests Kulusevski.

I get we have to protect the players to some degree - but that decision was pure mental and meant we had zero up front on Sunday, couldn’t keep the ball up there and struggled.

Ipswich - 2-0 down and Maddison is given 8 minutes to try and change the course of the game - another stupid decision.

Plays both Maddison and Kulu away at City and we win 4-0, Maddison scoring twice and Kulu getting an assist.

I just think he is overthinking things and tinkering too much and it’s hurting results
 
Tbf remember when you doubted cold palmer.

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I don't watch Chelsea and I'm not sure if that's relevant to this conversation but, I think I said and still say one season does not make a world class player. No offence Deuterz Deuterz I'm not interested in talking about other teams players. You'll have find some else to rave about our opposition. Isn't his name Cole by the way?

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EVERY Prem manager focuses on the future when they're building a squad. To suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

The most successful manager in Prem history was continually looking to the future. That's how he managed to dominate the Prem for so long.

Under Poch, we were told it was a 5 year project, but he over performed. Wasn't he focussing on the future when he was saying the squad needed refreshing? Wasn't it looking to the future when it's a 5 year project?

Wasn't Arteta looking to the future when he was rolling out the "trust the project" meme?

Players age and get bought. Every club has player churn, so they are constantly looking at succession planning for the future.

For fans it's about the now. The only managers who would be thinking about the now are those brought in to save a sinking ship. Even then, they'll still have an eye to the future should they successfully save that sinking ship.

Not a single premier league manager now will play a youth product ahead of a currently superior footballer because of a vague idea of the future.

Football is too short term. Only absolutely outstanding youth products get given shots in the first team of elite sides.
 
I don't watch Chelsea and I'm not sure if that' relevant to this conversation but. I think I said and still say one season does not make a world class player. No offence Deuterz Deuterz I'm not interested in talking about other teams players. You'll have find some else to rave about our opposition. Isn't his name Cole by the way?

It’s two seasons now.
 
I'd fucking love to see England Men vs England women once a year.
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Puny women.

MATT!!!!

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Which makes it even more baffling that when Solanke is out Ange drops/rests Kulusevski.

I get we have to protect the players to some degree - but that decision was pure mental and meant we had zero up front on Sunday, couldn’t keep the ball up there and struggled.

Ipswich - 2-0 down and Maddison is given 8 minutes to try and change the course of the game - another stupid decision.

Plays both Maddison and Kulu away at City and we win 4-0, Maddison scoring twice and Kulu getting an assist.

I just think he is overthinking things and tinkering too much and it’s hurting results

I don't disagree with you but to be fair the Kulu decision was made in the Roma game when he played the 90. HE was always going to be benched for Fulham. Solanke was a very late out remember?

Personally I'd have gone with Lankshear over Son at 9 but I'm not a manager whose job is on the line trusting a 19 year old with no PL experience.
 
Does that really seem like the type of person Ange is from the way he talks in press conferences? If there is one trait he's known for, positive of negative, it's stubbornness. He's far from yes-man, sure Conte and Jose are the type to pour gasoline on the fire they create before they exit but I'm not sure that's a positive trait in a manager. He walked away from his dream job because of fractures with the FFA, doesn't sound like a yes-man to me.
Best to have Matt on ignore, you're wasting your time.
 
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this post. You're so right (apart from the Double season, obviously), and as long as we finish in a respectable position in the league, I'd rather win a trophy than finish 4th.
1962 was strong, just one win away from doing the double again.

1982 was also a strong one. Won the FA Cup, 4th in the league, League cup runners up and semi finalists in the Cup Winners Cup.

We haven't got close to that really until Poch. 2 very strong seasons, with a cup final in there but, sadly, didn't get the glory we really deserved. Across those 2 seasons, we were the best team in the country.

We got our "echo of glory," but an echo only.

I think AP will give us more than an echo. Others don't, which is fair enough given our inconsistencies.

Here's the thing though, those managers who have achieved success are those that have been given the time and resources to achieve it. 2 of the clubs managed by 2 of those successful managers had to cheat to do it as well. For those that didn't cheat, the key ingredient they got was time. I mean, look at Arteta as an example. 5 years it's taken him to build a squad to challenge with. Klopp took 3. Both had more backing than AP, both only got the "crown jewel" players when they were the final pieces of the puzzle.

I think we're heading in the right direction personally. We still need additional players, and we definitely need to sort out our consistency, but those come in time and with maturity.
 
Does that really seem like the type of person Ange is from the way he talks in press conferences? If there is one trait he's known for, positive of negative, it's stubbornness. He's far from yes-man, sure Conte and Jose are the type to pour gasoline on the fire they create before they exit but I'm not sure that's a positive trait in a manager. He walked away from his dream job because of fractures with the FFA, doesn't sound like a yes-man to me.

You may be able to answer this better than me. I've seen him kick off with people outside of his club/national team to defend himself. But has he ever said a bad word about the people who pay his wages?

Both i think.

no doubt Conte stressed the board out for their lack of ambition, as did Poch in the last year, so i feel it was a mandate to get a coach in who promotes academy and integrates young players (great way to save and make money) play attacking football to keep fans off their back unlike nuno and won't complain that we dont act like a Big Club come transfer window time

But I also think he was done real dirty in the summer signing 4 18 year olds and dom solanke , all while knowing that richarlison is injury prone, and was injured all summer even. not to mention zero cover at full backs hoping that genoa would pay 8 mill for spence so they could probably sign another 18 year old on minimum wage no doubt

But he's happy to take this, for now
I'm almost certain we'd have sold Richarlison when signing Solanke if we could, but Richarlison being injured and stating he didn't want to go screwed that plan right up. You could argue if that happened then Ange really would have been stuffed.
I'm fed up with idiot "non football fans" suggesting that the women are better than the men because they do/did better in tournaments. If they're so good, play the men. If they win they can take our place at the next World Cup.
Best to have Matt on ignore, you're wasting your time.

This is hilarious.
Just so people are aware folks, he/she put me on ignore because I can't remember a bet we made months ago.
I have absolutely no intention of getting out of it. But he/she won't refresh my memory. Instead he/she just called me a tosser and put me on ignore.
I reckon he/she think they're losing the bet that I can't remember and saw a way out.
 
I think he doesn’t need to rotate, none of the top teams rotate their CL and Prem sides - Salah and Odegaard play regardless - Odegaard got injured on international duty in the end and it had nothing to do with tiredness.

Just go with your strongest side.

Solanke dropping out at short notice meant he had to add an attacking player at short notice - but still didn’t pick Kulu.

It’s definitely a case of overthinking - just play the strongest team, injuries will happen regardless and we will adapt if they do. By resting, your just cutting down the amount of time your best players are out on the pitch
 
I think he doesn’t need to rotate, none of the top teams rotate their CL and Prem sides - Salah and Odegaard play regardless - Odegaard got injured on international duty in the end and it had nothing to do with tiredness.

Just go with your strongest side.

Solanke dropping out at short notice meant he had to add an attacking player at short notice - but still didn’t pick Kulu.

It’s definitely a case of overthinking - just play the strongest team, injuries will happen regardless and we will adapt if they do. By resting, your just cutting down the amount of time your best players are out on the pitch

We already have 8 players missing, I don't think we're really in a position to run more players into the ground.
 
Arteta won the cup in his first year - that bought him time that Emery didn’t get.

Klopps achievements at dortmund were always going to get him more time than most, he was in the top 3 most sought after managers in the world.

I’m not saying Ange shouldn’t be given more time, but if come the summer we’ve finished 7/8th or worse and won nothing - I’m struggling to see a scenario where Levy keeps him on - unless there are no better alternatives and we get knocked back by the likes of Iraola. With Potter, Allegri, Southgate and Steve Cooper out of work - I’m not sure Ange has much to worry about at the moment - possibly harsh on Allegri
 
We already have 8 players missing, I don't think we're really in a position to run more players into the ground.
We don’t want players injured as it will harm our chances of winning games.

If we rest those same players though then we also harm our chances of winning the games they are rested for.

If they get injured they could miss a long period.

If they don’t get injured though and we don’t rest them then we could win more games and not suffer negative health issues.

Injuries aren’t definite for any one particular player - but resting them will definitely affect their ability to influence that game.

Woolwich aren’t going to be resting Saliba/Rice/Odegaard, Liverpool won’t be resting Salah. With Solanke dropping out Sunday, to then not replace him with Kulusevski was crazy.

The back up players are less Ange’s fault but they do remain his problem. There wasn’t a Spurs fan at the ground Sunday who didn’t fear for us when they saw our starting front 3 were Son, BJ and watch out row Z. It was a no brainer to play Kulu as the false 9 - give us an outlet.
 
Our injury record since Ange took over is impressive. Wonder if there’s any numbers on average players out pre and post Ange.

First season same thing despite ONE competition all season long. And now we already have Porro & co resembling marathon runners at the end of the line.

We’re absolutely fucked if we do this till the end of the season and actually go deep in the cups. It’ll be like a hospital.

Wtf are we doing in training & for recovery?!
 
We don’t want players injured as it will harm our chances of winning games.

If we rest those same players though then we also harm our chances of winning the games they are rested for.

If they get injured they could miss a long period.

If they don’t get injured though and we don’t rest them then we could win more games and not suffer negative health issues.

Injuries aren’t definite for any one particular player - but resting them will definitely affect their ability to influence that game.

Woolwich aren’t going to be resting Saliba/Rice/Odegaard, Liverpool won’t be resting Salah. With Solanke dropping out Sunday, to then not replace him with Kulusevski was crazy.

The back up players are less Ange’s fault but they do remain his problem. There wasn’t a Spurs fan at the ground Sunday who didn’t fear for us when they saw our starting front 3 were Son, BJ and watch out row Z. It was a no brainer to play Kulu as the false 9 - give us an outlet.

Dude we have 9 matches in 30 days.
 
I think he doesn’t need to rotate, none of the top teams rotate their CL and Prem sides - Salah and Odegaard play regardless - Odegaard got injured on international duty in the end and it had nothing to do with tiredness.

Just go with your strongest side.

Solanke dropping out at short notice meant he had to add an attacking player at short notice - but still didn’t pick Kulu.

It’s definitely a case of overthinking - just play the strongest team, injuries will happen regardless and we will adapt if they do. By resting, your just cutting down the amount of time your best players are out on the pitch

In years gone by, I think the Ropey league was actually more taxing on players than the CL. The fixtures were often away in the arse end of nowhere, with long, arduous trips to the likes of Uzbekistan. There was also an extra knock out round in the ropey league inserting 2 extra fixtures before the last 16. In some cases there were qualifiers before the groups too (Pacos anyone?)
And then throw in the fact that your reward for getting out of the group was a tie against a CL team.
It feels like this year though, both comps are at least level in match demands. We haven't had to go too far and have the same number of games to play as the CL.

I did always find it funny that we would work hard all season to qualify for the ropey league and then drop everyone for the games and play the B side most seasons.

Arteta won the cup in his first year - that bought him time that Emery didn’t get.

Klopps achievements at dortmund were always going to get him more time than most, he was in the top 3 most sought after managers in the world.

I’m not saying Ange shouldn’t be given more time, but if come the summer we’ve finished 7/8th or worse and won nothing - I’m struggling to see a scenario where Levy keeps him on - unless there are no better alternatives and we get knocked back by the likes of Iraola. With Potter, Allegri, Southgate and Steve Cooper out of work - I’m not sure Ange has much to worry about at the moment - possibly harsh on Allegri

The difference between Arteta and Ange, and I have demonstrated this numerous times, is that Arsenel never went backwards. Not at all. He took over for MW 13 in the 19/20 season. They were in 8th. They finished 8th on 56 points.
20/21 they finished 8th. 61 points.
21/22 they finished 5th. 69 points
22/23 they finished 2nd. 84 points
23/24 they finished 2nd. 89 points.

Season on season they have improved.
That's why he has been afforded the time he has. And he also seems to be learning on the job. They were defensively frail in his earlier years but seem to have adopted a "hard to beat" attitude in the last year or so. Let's also not forget he's 18 years younger than Ange and in his first job. If a coach is to be given time, then it should be the younger ones.
If you've been a coach for 20+ years you should not need it.
 
Not a single premier league manager now will play a youth product ahead of a currently superior footballer because of a vague idea of the future.

Football is too short term. Only absolutely outstanding youth products get given shots in the first team of elite sides.
That wasn't what you said though, you said no Prem manager looks to the future.

The above is a different kettle of fish. To be fair though, Slott has done that this season with his right back against RM. Brighton did it with Ferguson. Both have proven they're good, but both are still youth products. Curtis Jones was blooded by Klopp, along with the twat who ridiculed Kane. Guardiola has done it...

They all do it to an extent, and not only with "outstanding youth products."
 
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