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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Incomplete_usernam said:
Completely agree with you, like I said previously; you get back what you put out into the world.

The thing is, a confident and wise individual who truly believes in what they are trying to accomplish wouldn’t be so threatened and made to feel so insecure by what a supporter in the stands is saying, it speaks volumes imo about how he really feels about himself.

Like you say, it’s all puffed up bravado; that has been so evident from minute one and yet people are buying what this idiot is selling?

Ignorance and stupidity often go hand in hand as well, so the jump from ignorant to stupid isn’t far fetched imo.

People will say “Oh so he should be abused and not be allowed to respond?” They miss the point entirely, it’s not about censorship, it’s about self control and true belief in what you are doing and I think he lacks both.
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Agree entirely, you seem like a sound bloke btw.

Ange is prickly and clearly has an issue with people who disagree with him. I work in an environment where disagreement and criticism are fundamental, so when someone disagrees with me or offers straight feedback I see it as an opportunity to learn and develop, I don't double down and assume only I have the correct answers to doing things. We all have different specialisms and skills and learning from other people is key to our growth.

The impression I get with Ange is someone thin-skinned, kind of aggressive, who can be charming when things are going their way. When it's a bit more difficult there's a nasty side that comes out quite quickly. He's made a rod for his own back with his confrontational approach and in football when you take on the fans that's always a bad thing: that doesn't make abusing him ok, of course not, but it's not hard to see why you might be offered some quite 'direct' criticism as a result of that approach.

Anyway, tl;dr: don't take on the baying mob, there's nothing to be gained from that situation, an intelligent person realises you steer clear.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
Completely agree with you, like I said previously; you get back what you put out into the world.

The thing is, a confident and wise individual who truly believes in what they are trying to accomplish wouldn’t be so threatened and made to feel so insecure by what a supporter in the stands is saying, it speaks volumes imo about how he really feels about himself.

Like you say, it’s all puffed up bravado; that has been so evident from minute one and yet people are buying what this idiot is selling?

Ignorance and stupidity often go hand in hand as well, so the jump from ignorant to stupid isn’t far fetched imo.

People will say “Oh so he should be abused and not be allowed to respond?” They miss the point entirely, it’s not about censorship, it’s about self control and true belief in what you are doing and I think he lacks both.
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went on about South Melbourne and how pure football is, Puskas etc which is fine, the fans will be the judge etc. I'd guess he's heard worse at a two bob suburban ground in melbourne so what's changed?
 
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went on about South Melbourne and how pure football is, Puskas etc which is fine, the fans will be the judge etc. I'd guess he's heard worse at a two bob suburban ground in melbourne so what's changed?
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What’s changed? I believe this league has damaged his ego and he is reacting to that badly.

The weight of his own insecurities are making him fold under the pressure of it all imo.

Not everyone is built to be a success at this level of the sport, his past accomplishments mean nothing in comparison to the situation he is in now, this is an objective fact.
 
McCOYS said:
What he did with Celtic has to be taken into the context of, at the time they were the best team anyway.

We have an average top ten team.
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The 5 seasons before he joined them they had won the treble 4 times out of 5.

The season before he joined they didn’t win one trophy. That was the crisis he walked into. 2nd in the league having lost 5 times and conceding 29 goals. That league is such a shambles.

Not so much steadying a sinking ship as just turning the ships engine back on after it stalled.
 
Saddest thing for Ange is he hasn’t done anything wrong in that respect, the opportunity came up to step up a few levels, makes money and try yourself in the top league. It simply hadn’t worked because he doesn’t have the skill level or the experience to be a success at this level, yet he’s only done what every single one of us would have done in his shoes and taken the job.

Above him is the issue in that regard, due diligence would have told you that he’s the age he is and has never really had to perform to anything like a PL level. Celtic are in a one team league, and when he took them into the champions league games, they often looked pretty but in the end were always outclassed by higher level teams.

He’s frustrated because, yes, I believe he actually underestimated the league, and the confidence given to him from turning up each week and getting Celtic to batter some teams in a really poor Scottish league made him think it would mostly work here. Truth is quite a few of the teams in the bottom half of the premier league would make a good go of finishing top 3 in the Scottish league if not winning it.
 
Gym&Chill said:
The only time I ever see Ange animated is to confront Spurs fans or when he’s talking about himself to the media.

Genuinely one of the most unlikable managers in football. The contempt he has for Spurs is shocking. Iv seen gooner managers treat us with more respect.

And this guy thought he was good even to manage Liverpool. Delusional.
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100%.

Stands there on the sidelines with hands in pockets while we get mugged off by referees or the players fail to deliver and says nothing.

Waits for his chance for a bit of good PR and to play up the man against the world act. So transparent.
 
OziBeerMan said:
As Ange did 👍 And wasn’t BR a prem manager too?
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I do get what you’re trying to say, but in this particular scenario it just works the other way round - many premier league managers could go and win the Scottish league with Celtic, it doesn’t mean that anyone who wins the league with Celtic makes a good premier league manager however.

Brendan Rogers, Ange, Neil Lennon, Martin’O’Neil… all of them have success in the Scottish league, it differs greatly in the prem - to me O’Neil probably the best across both overall.
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
What’s changed? I believe this league has damaged his ego and he is reacting to that badly.

The weight of his own insecurities are making him fold under the pressure of it all imo.

Not everyone is built to be a success at this level of the sport, his past accomplishments mean nothing in comparison to the situation he is in now, this is an objective fact.
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i understand what you are saying. Perhaps less said may have helped because from what I have seen and read most people within and outside the club gave the guy support.
 
Richard Arlison said:
We have AI now that can transcribe these things automatically and then people can choose to read the interesting bits in less than 5mins. I can't get past 3mins of his videos, i have no idea how they get so many views.
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I’m surprised how much he has a dig at the board /Levy & the summer transfer window in this one

Part of me hopes that when even Gold recognises this it could bring change but the other part thinks we’ve been here so many times
 
HampshireSpur said:
Agree entirely, you seem like a sound bloke btw.

Ange is prickly and clearly has an issue with people who disagree with him. I work in an environment where disagreement and criticism are fundamental, so when someone disagrees with me or offers straight feedback I see it as an opportunity to learn and develop, I don't double down and assume only I have the correct answers to doing things. We all have different specialisms and skills and learning from other people is key to our growth.

The impression I get with Ange is someone thin-skinned, kind of aggressive, who can be charming when things are going their way. When it's a bit more difficult there's a nasty side that comes out quite quickly. He's made a rod for his own back with his confrontational approach and in football when you take on the fans that's always a bad thing: that doesn't make abusing him ok, of course not, but it's not hard to see why you might be offered some quite 'direct' criticism as a result of that approach.

Anyway, tl;dr: don't take on the baying mob, there's nothing to be gained from that situation, an intelligent person realises you steer clear.
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Thanks Hampshire I really appreciate that my friend, as do you. It’s always refreshing to have a respectful and open minded discussion.

I couldn’t agree with you more about disagreement and feedback being fundamental to growth as an individual, introspection is also one of the most important traits a human can acquire and the dissolution of ego alongside that; it’s where real learning begins and like you say, fundamental to that is being able to take on board others opinions and learn from them, something I think Ange struggles with, hence the perception of stupidity.

I find it interesting how he mentioned his wife told him it was a mistake to go over to the fans and his response was essentially “That’s just how I am mate” (paraphrasing here) that’s a perfect example of what we are talking about.

As for the bolded part of your post that I have highlighted; I really have nothing to add, you have pretty much hit the nail on the head and it’s a fantastic summary of who I believe Ange is as a person and why he will not succeed at this club or at this level.
 
Oh, I keep meaning to add to my posts, the abuse he gets at games, no need at all and shouldn’t be happening.

Criticise his tactics, his decisions and anything footballing related if you like, but standing up as a grown man and just shouting “F off you fat C” is just pathetic, and filming yourself doing it is embarrassing.
 
Aphex said:
That's very true. The admin over there acts like he's Kim Jung-Un , and is completely clueless about football, always happy claps about the manager, and so if there are any dissenting voices, anyone who prefers to call a spade a spade, is perma banned.

I know people have been banned from there despite donating a fair bit of money to the site, and he bans without hesitation. He's a nasty piece of work.

I was just having a look on there this morning and the place is full of happy clappers. You can see people are scared to come out publicly and go against Ange. It's happening a bit more now, but even months ago when it was clear to some of us the direction of travel under Ange, there was hardly a peep from anyone on there, because they are all scared to be seen as negative.

Anyway just wanted to say this place is a breath of fresh air. Yes sometimes emotions spill over, but we are all Spurs fans and some of us having different views, we should be able to express those views without fear or favour.

And don't get me started on COYS, that place is run by the gestapo. I was actually banned years ago because I posted some breaking news that was reported on Sky Sports in a match thread. I said it was reported that Dele Alli is injured and won't make the match, apparently its against the rules to break news which isn't from an official source. SSN isn't a good enough source apparently. Perma banned. Ridiculous.
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Not everyone can be as brave, perspicacious and brutally yet honourably clear-eyed as your good self.

But while the spurs fandom has you as a guiding light your almost Cassandra like martyrdom will be a beacon the rest of us can aspire to 😍
 
kcspurs said:
I don't understand attacking his character or calling him a cunt. Call him an idiot if you want I suppose, but he really isn't one. Call him a manager out of his depth at this level, I'll agree. But abusing the manager in a foul way doesn't help us today or when we need to attract the next, and it ought to be beneath a club of high standing.
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Yes agreed

You wouldn’t call anyone a fat cunt in real life so why at a football match?

Criticise him after the game and call out his tactics like subbing Sarr with Son yes and do it loudly but no need for foul language!
 
Richard Arlison said:
We have AI now that can transcribe these things automatically and then people can choose to read the interesting bits in less than 5mins. I can't get past 3mins of his videos, i have no idea how they get so many views.
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Ha ha - Ally's hearts in the right place, it's just unfortunate his voice and general "riz" (as the kids like to say) is... rather lacking :D
 
Being a reasonable person, as I am, I say 'fair play' to Levy for the Ange Experiment, but there comes a time when you have to review stuff.
I'd say that when the most dedicated fans start singing 'Fuck off you fat cunt', they're giving you a bit of a subtle hint that the aforementioned review should be itemised on the agenda for your next board meeting, Daniel.

Daniel?

Daniel?

Can you hear me, Daniel?
 
The only time I felt any anger towards Ange was after how he acted in the aftermath of the City game last season, the loss that helped deny the gooners.

Other than that, I don't think he deserves abuse. He simply isn't the guy, the miracle worker that is required to succeed under Levy.

Vitriol should be directed at Levy. Last time he felt it, he almost got it right, hiring Conte. Though he soon went back to his old ways with the "club signing" of Spence etc. But when the crowd turned on Levy, he felt it and acted.

If he refuses to go, he almost needs to be bullied into acting in the best interests of the team on the pitch, both players we aim to sign and the level of the coach hired. Right now, we don't behave like a club in the top ten richest in the world, we don't have a football operation that befits our revenue, stadium, fan base size etc. etc.

But yeah, Ange doesn't deserve the abuse, same as Nuno didn't. The man who hired them deserves to feel the heat, the most well paid chairman in the league.
 
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