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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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Hmm not sure
Funds might be a bit short for many considering how much Levy charges on his onlyfans
At least Jose could point to an amazing CV. The truculent Aussie simply has not earned any adoration yet.
I'm not a fan of portraying Ange as some sorf of a martyr who was hard done by Levy in his usual fashion. The reason he got here in the first place is because of that chairman who is now accused of throwing Ange under the bus to shield himself. Under a more competent board-ownership he wouldn't even make the managerial shortlist. He was a shocking appointment. So this notion that he deserves proper backing in the market, or that he needs to be given even more time (how is 15 months not enough?) than he already has, is nonsense. What has he ever done to earn all these?
There's not a dichotomy between Levy and Ange where the good guy is screwed over by the bad one. It's perfectly consistent to be critical of both.
There's not a dichotomy between Levy and Ange where the good guy is screwed over by the bad one. It's perfectly consistent to be critical of both.
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Ah ok cool, this is different from the original post.
I’d agree with you, I think there are large portions who do like him, and are still behind him, and of course he has a set of fans from Australia who follow his career but didn’t support Spurs before now, so he definitely has backing.
I only questioned it at first when you said many felt he was the best manager Spurs have had, which would be utterly ridiculous and demonstrably not true. I get what you were saying from your second post though.
I think my biggest concern with Ange is his tactical stubbornness, especially with the full-backs. Pushing them so high and so central makes it much harder for us to play, it just isn't worth it at the moment. It's destroying our players legs to have to make huge recovery runs every time we give the ball away in the middle of the pitch.
Of course he has his own idea of football and he sticks to it, every successful manager does that. But when you're 60 years old and your ideas are not surviving contact with their first exposure to the elite level, you have to adjust.
We have players that look best playing on the break and attacking space. That is not new to Ange, that was also the case under Conte and Mou. We have always been a top counter-attacking side with Son in the team. When we aren't given the opportunity to counter-attack, I'm not sure that Ange's tactics actually work. In fact I'm almost certain they don't.
Of course he has his own idea of football and he sticks to it, every successful manager does that. But when you're 60 years old and your ideas are not surviving contact with their first exposure to the elite level, you have to adjust.
We have players that look best playing on the break and attacking space. That is not new to Ange, that was also the case under Conte and Mou. We have always been a top counter-attacking side with Son in the team. When we aren't given the opportunity to counter-attack, I'm not sure that Ange's tactics actually work. In fact I'm almost certain they don't.
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1 Generally seems to lack in-game adaptation (swapping players, tactics, subs, etc.,)
2 Demeanour - immobile on the touchline, hands in pockets, head down etc. If I'm a player looking for inspiration I am not inspired by that
I just have a feeling he’s going no where till the carabao and Europa league picture is clearer.
Which gives a potentially awful situation of going out of both with him, Levy sacking him, and then is just chugging our way through the rest of the season either with him, or with someone new and with absolutely nothing to play for. This squad with nothing to play for will make the mentality even worse.
Which gives a potentially awful situation of going out of both with him, Levy sacking him, and then is just chugging our way through the rest of the season either with him, or with someone new and with absolutely nothing to play for. This squad with nothing to play for will make the mentality even worse.
Levy doesn't give a shit about the Carabao cup. Sacking Jose the week before that final should give us all that idea.
I know it felt like Jose was coming to his inevitable exit, a week before a cup final was madness
For 65 million I think we heed to see more goals. Not a difficult one.
Agreed.
I am sick of the Levy narrative It will never end and even if a manager ever found success, no doubt it would be down to good luck or met with an about time
Postecoglou is okay but he doesn't change tactics and seems frozen by an inability to know what to do during a game.
Of course the injuries are crippling and I maintain that if you look at Newcastle as a good example, they are arguably worse off and with less excuse. No one on here is calling out Howe, so hmmmmm...
It seems inevitable.
Get one of Guardiolas backroom staff as manager. ARTETA AND Maresca seem to be doing pretty well after their Man City apprenticeships.
Yeah unless results are catastrophic I can’t see us sacking him either.
This is the problem we have now.I feel the players have already made their minds up that he’s a goner.whether it’s in the next few weeks or the next month or two,it’s literally anendless cycle.Then they end up putting Mason in charge rinse and repeat.
I know, and I agree with you, he should have just given Jose the final, he was the sort of manager who could have had us in a terrible space and still flukes the final.
I just wonder if Levy has seen the reaction and will, this time, wait till afterwards so he can use it against any criticism of him.
As you say, he’s got form for it, but I just have a gut feeling I guess that me might leave him in place this time until there’s nothing left to cling to.
Jose should have gone much earlier, february time probably. The week before the final was not the one though. I’m sure he’d have got us over the line.
It give credence to the “Jose cup bonus” comments and Levy being tight.
There is no context to what he did at Celtic. Every manager does the same. It’s strange how his record there seems to be used as a badge of honour but no so for Brent or Neil Lennon or anyone of the other managers who have won a hatful of trophies there. His ‘achievements’ there the media make out as if it was some sort of spectacular thing!
would just be awful pictures of him in a push up bra!
Not sure how the timing gives credence to the cup bonus thing.
Why not sack him three weeks previously, when we knew we were going to the final? Why wait until the last minute?
And do you not think Levy would happily pay a bonus of a couple of million (and I doubt it would have been anything like that) to get the “no trophy” monkey off his back?
I personally think it was a terrible decision, but I can only come up with the idea that he was going to have to be sacked anyway and it’s easier to sack someone who hasn’t won a trophy than to sack someone who has.
does make you laugh dont it.
hes like a pub poker player that was the best in his pub and bullied the other idiots in the pub with aggression, they've all told him how great he is and hes believed it. hes gone to vegas for the world series of poker and played against actual sharks and hes realised hes the fish. they are playing at a standard that is shocking to him and he knows he can not compete with the strategys or the math, just raw aggression doesnt work at that level, everything is calculated.
hes essentially a neanderthal up against football scientists in this league, its embarrassing for him and for us.