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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
Two games defined and ultimately will prove the end of Ange:

1. This same fixture last season. Sure at the time the high line with 9 men seemed brave and principled, but in reality it gave us the first glimpse of his stupidity and lack of in game management.

2. Brighton away this season. We were coming off 5 or 6 wins on the spin, and that first half was the first time under Ange we've played with genuine swagger. It all melted away and the players haven't recovered since.
Leicester away at the start of the season. Battered them but somehow dropped points. Nothing learned from season 1 and that fixture to me was telling.
 
Keep till the end of the season. In the summer get someone who can operate within the boards constraints.

Only managers I know of like that are Silva and Frank. I'm sure there are countless others.

I haven't been overly critical of him because I do think the root of the issue is above him. But he will never build a team to compete under this ownership. Which is why the painful rebuild talk is bullshit. It's not a painful rebuild, it's just painful.

But even if he's properly backed he just cannot get us to defend well or have control over games.
 
Every season since we sacked Poch it’s been a transitional season.

Without fail.

And I can’t see Ange making Xmas at this rate. Let alone the end of the season.

Is this the biggest indicator Levy / ENIC just don’t know what they are doing in terms of football?

How do we break this cycle? Or just accept this is Tottenham under ENIC.

They definitely don’t know what they are doing. The evidence is overwhelming on that front.
 
the chelsea game last year was what done it for me, maddest shit ive ever seen. theres actually spurs fans that applauded that...funny enough they are the same idiots that still think to give him the season!!! some people are beyond fucking thick.
So you mean the first loss we had under him? Wow you showed him so much patience! No wonder we go on an endless merry go round of sacking managers that always amounts to 2 fifths of fuck all
 
So was mullered last week for the above, but turns out it wasn’t a one off.

The stuff I was talking about was all in evidence again today. That score flattered the tactical approach last week, which was frankly a fucking mess. Pedestrian first half again, no one to get hold of the ball in midfield areas and make intelligent or incisive decisions, three midfielders all uncomfortable when pressed.



Again, I’ve been generally supportive of Ange’s ethos and until a couple of weeks ago he’d definitely improved us at both ends on last season. And I acknowledge he’s working with a pretty meh group of players. But his selections and tactical application and in-game management has been worrying for me for a few weeks now. He/We have regressed.

As last weeks posts show, I’m not a scoreline whiner, I can tolerate losing when the fundamentals and underlying basics look ok, but the signs were there last week and have materialised again this week.

Again, I acknowledge the deeply flawed, totally lacking depth squad that Ange is working with, and he can’t legislate for Bissouma and Sarr giving away idiotic penalties, Porro jumping out the way of Enzo’s shot etc, but he does pick the side, and going back to the failed experiment of Kulusevski (9 fucking passes in 78 minutes) in midfield - against Chelsea - whilst dropping Maddison, and starting Johnson again, was fucking tactically indefensible. We had no control of that game at any stage. And there was a huge flapping gash where the R8 should be.

I know we’ve had injuries to key players lately, and ones so young that we don’t even know if they could one day be key players but, as per the post of mine I’m quoting, which itself was quoting another, Ange may have been dealt a shit hand, but he’s not playing that hand well lately.

I liked what I saw for the first 10 or so games this year, we definitely seemed to have improved facets at each end and the underlying metrics confirmed that, even if results didn’t always go our way, but the last couple of months or so games it’s not just bad results, but shit performances, shit underlying metrics and most of those have featured poor selections, game management and subs, counter intuitive to tactics and opponents.
 
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Two games defined and ultimately will prove the end of Ange:

1. This same fixture last season. Sure at the time the high line with 9 men seemed brave and principled, but in reality it gave us the first glimpse of his stupidity and lack of in game management.

2. Brighton away this season. We were coming off 5 or 6 wins on the spin, and that first half was the first time under Ange we've played with genuine swagger. It all melted away and the players haven't recovered since.
Spot fucking on. Brighton fans said that 1st half was as one sided at The Amex as they could remember. That was our platform to truly kick on this season - and we totally fucked it. Because the in game management is totally non existent.
 
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Weve gone from one extreme to another after conte and mourinho with Ange. Its like putting yoir car stereo on fall blast. Annoying. Need a blanced modern manager who has a plan a,b, c, d e....

The difference for me is that under conte and Jose we seemed scared, in some ways I feel like this team is over confident in the way they play, constantly trying to do things that don't come off.
 
It comes down to the idea that if you take the brakes off and give players the license to attack whatever the situation, their decision making will become so quick you can overwhelm the other side with numbers. Outscore and outlast. But you need natural scorers who can make the most of the additional chances you get, and it doesn't appear we have enough fire power yet to make it work. If you have very high possession (granted, today Spurs didn't) there's also something you give up and that is the high percentage chances good teams get on the counter. I hope Postecoglou can make this system work, but I'm not sure it can with these players.

I agree that higher quality players would help his case. I'm not a fan of watching the likes of Johnson and Werner (to name just two) fall over themselves, fail to deliver a quality cross or give the ball away trying to get past their defender. General standard of our front players are far from ideal. I somewhat sympathize with Ange in this respect.

But isn't that just a truism that applies to every manager? I mean, who wouldn't benefit from higher quality players? More to the point, the main reason they brought a manager with such an underwhelming CV is because they hoped that he would get us to punch above our weight. If we were one of those clubs that spend the GDP of some nations every summer then there wouldn't be a need for someone like Ange in the first place. We would have our pick among the most well established managers in the world. Ange should have known this when he took the job. Did he really think someone with his resume would get to work with a squad full of world class players ? That's just delusional
 
Keep till the end of the season. In the summer get someone who can operate within the boards constraints.

Only managers I know of like that are Silva and Frank. I'm sure there are countless others.

I haven't been overly critical of him because I do think the root of the issue is above him. But he will never build a team to compete under this ownership. Which is why the painful rebuild talk is bullshit. It's not a painful rebuild, it's just painful.

But even if he's properly backed he just cannot get us to defend well or have control over games.
Why would we keep until the end of the season when there is still plenty to play for this season? We should qualify in the Europa and have every chance in that competition with a manager who can set us up professionally. Same with the FA cup and Carabao. Leagues gone but we can get another manager in and have a go at the cups
 
Its just too kamikaze under ange. Defenders dont look coached and players are making rushed decisions. That leads to mistakes. Tbh the warning signs were ladt season losing 5 in a row. And conceding 3 to korean league pre-season. Bayern picked us off at will as will. Hes a 2nd rate manager.
 
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