Not really 10 though is it? How many are actual proven quality first teamers?
-
The Fighting Cock is a forum for fans of Tottenham Hotspur Football Club. Here you can discuss Spurs latest matches, our squad, tactics and any transfer news surrounding the club. Registration gives you access to all our forums (including 'Off Topic' discussion) and removes most of the adverts (you can remove them all via an account upgrade). You're here now, you might as well...
Manager Ange Postecoglou
- Thread starter The Fighting Cock
- Start date
Latest Spurs videos from Sky Sports
Agree with most of that except we didn’t give them a 1-0 lead. They were given a very borderline penalty
Yeah. We will never know.
But watching us play through April it was pretty clear without Kane poch was trying to figure out the best lineup.
Moura never stood out as being the answer at CF. Llorente would offer aerial ability but not much else.
We all know the reality of playing Son CF.
Given the options I know Poch would make that same choice again. You just have to roll the dice. And hope Sissoko keeps his arms down!
Posted this in another thread.
Seems like he's in this weird position where even though he's mostly safe for the season, he won't have a leg to stand on in the summer if he doesn't deliver a cup. Or at least go on a deep run in the more prestigious EL.
They've been tolerating a mid-table form for 13 months already. I assume it's less about standing with him rather than avoiding another Mason tenure at all costs. That Conte-Stellini-Mason debacle probably left a sour taste in their mouths as well. So they're choosing to stick with him, in the hope that he'll eventually bring silverware or achieve something else that'd warrant giving him more time and support.
Seems more like a suspension of judgment rather than a vote of confidence to me. My guess is that they're treating him as an "interim-disguised as-full-timer", with burden of proof being on him to earn himself another year and -possibly- proper backing in the market. Their reluctance this summer to invest in this "project" seems to point in the same direction. They just don't want to end up like United, spending a fortune on a manager that proved to be a failure.
It’s so tiring, honestly just such a stupid, boring fucking narrative.
You don’t think this manager is good enough for the club, and therefore because you express that on a discussion forum you must actively hate the club, WANT us to lose and not celebrate goals. Bore off.
I cheer every goal and want us to win every game, I’d love to be proved wrong, it just so happens that I think we’ll finish with empty hands again and spend more time than we should on someone who I personally believe clearly won’t get us anywhere.
He probably isn’t going this season, fine. So I back the team, I still want us to win every game just like I always have but it doesn’t mean I’m going to suddenly start saying it’s all fantastic and that he must be the guy because someone told me he was.
Table position and Cups get the headlines but I suspect his role description / KPIs put a few other things before that:
- Oversee a rebuild targeting title challenge 2025/26 onwards (last transfer window King of confirms this)
- Cultural change to re-establish attacking football and challenge "Spursy" myth
- Help align/ unify PL squad with technical/ recruitment and academy programs
- Squad pruning / cost control
- Cough and look at the floor
Maybe he's not the guy to be at the helm at the end of the journey. But most of what he is doing is moving us in the right direction.
Agree! If we are gonna play Johnson play him through the middle running on to things and or occupying a central defender allowing Solanke (strong) to go up against a single centre back. Having a front pair will also create so many other possibilities/space for the likes of Kulu and Maddison to exploit.
Even though he scores all his goals arriving at the back post from the wing? And his second best attribute is 1st or 2nd touch crosses from the RW? And even though he's not an amazing presser, he's much better pressing from out wide instead of through the middle?
Romero got a completely separate injury and thats just bad luck. Any player can randomly pick up an injury, it was just an unlucky coincidence that Romero who was just back from a toe injury, picked up a quad injury 10 mins into the game.
VDV was a bit of both. The medical advice was that he was ready to start but should be subbed on 70 mins as the extra 20 mins workload could be dangerous on his hamstring. Given the fact that Romero had already gone off injured and we had no proper centre back left on the bench, I think Ange might have ignored that advice and taken a gamble that VDV could finish out the game. He went down on 75 mins with a hamstring injury. If you want you can blame Ange for that but I can see his side to the story too.
It's a fickle business!
We did invest in the summer in terms of transfer fees. They just didn't invest in players' wages.
I don't think a "buy young prospects as they are cheaper to pay" strategy with Ange will get us back to a top 4 team that will win the odd cup. I think we need to buy established players and prospects in equal measure. And given the lopsidedness of the last windows I feel we need 3 established players now asap.
Indeed it is but when you flip flop like that you are more like the product than the business.
I'm still Ange out don't worry. We haven't seen a convincing run of form since October 2023. If we do see a convincing run again, then something will have changed, and I'll likely be Ange in again. Right now there is no reason to believe that will happen however.
I know you put his difficulties pretty much entirely on Levy. And Levy does limit our ceiling I totally agree. But he still has one of the biggest transfer budgets in the PL and £105m pa wage budget to play with. And should be doing better with it than the past 13 months.
I'm not convinced other managers do any better with this current group. The approach feels long term where we are blooding in young players and forcing a very attacking style of play. There is no short term gains in this model. The hope is that the young players grow and develop into top players and that once we have the top players, and a much larger squad then this relentless style of play with work.
Where have I said that? I'll help you answer that and save you the time looking, I haven't.
Maybe he's had one of the bigger budgets and maybe he's currently underperforming our wage bracket but he finished his 1st season above that wage bracket in 5th, which was better than the position he inherited and is in the process of gutting a squad and starting again. And how much of his budget was spent on players expected to be ready to help him win now?
We are 5 points off 5th and 6 points off 4th. We are 2nd for goals scored, 3rd for goals conceded, 3rd best goal difference in the league, and we are still in all the cup competitions. And finally, I enjoy watching us play. We've had some shit results and some inconsistent performances but the overall picture is worth sticking with. That is my defense of Ange. Criticism of Levynomics is a different topic.
What’s wrong with you??
Why are you using reasoning and sound logic in this place??
You’re not in Tibet anymore buddy!!
To those who say Ange isn’t emotional or doesn’t give a toss.
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/JWQhzGsdxN8?si=G4MW3Kpsmxqlat73
View: https://youtube.com/shorts/JWQhzGsdxN8?si=G4MW3Kpsmxqlat73
Correct.
Ange from day dot said it’s a project. Cultural change. That’s why he’s not using Levy as an excuse. Grow above that. Develop a style, ingrain it. It’s the sum of the parts.
Could you argue that he has spent a good half of his time with us without a full squad? I don't have statistics to back that up but to the naked eye, it does seem that way
This season, how many games have we had a fully fit squad? A squad where we had the ability to swap out players such as Solanke or Son without the drop off being Werner and Lankshear? (Nothing against either player) I can't think of another club that is without their defensive triangle for such a sustained period, can you? Losing the front line of Richarlison and Odobert for what seems like an entire season. Even Mickey Moore has missed what? 5 games? 10 games?
We've had horrendous luck with injuries during his time here so surely this should be taken into account, right?
We certainly need to see a bit more 'flip' from Ange.
That has to be the focus. We have quite a crop of talented youngsters now, I make you right on the number of established players. Absolutely no excuses this Summer, we have the funds, the wriggle room in the wage outlay, and wriggle room in PSR.
We have our foundation for the future, we need to add to that with difference makers.
If we don't do it this Summer, I'll be firmly in the ENIC out camp. They've set everything up to feed into the playing staff, so not following through on that would be unacceptable.