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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
It is a fine line isn’t it. Not shout and scream at the players and let them work things out for themselves and it shows that you have faith and belief in their ability to do that.

He’s said recently he doesn’t want the players to pass it back to the keeper but move the ball up field instead or come to other solutions, that’s what he means by that.

It isn’t possible to play the same way for 90 minutes but I’m actually, and I’ve said this about a hundred times in the last two years, more pissed at the players for their naivety and lack of game management. Go down faking injury, take the ball to the corner, take ages over set pieces. Do the things the other teams do, but we don’t. We don’t lose that game v Brighton if we do that for example. There’s countless other times. It took an 18 year old in bergval to do it last night so if a kid can play that type of game then the others can too.


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Oh look a post about Deuterz so Bonaspur has appeared like some obsessed parasitic creature.
Strange how you think everyone who mentions your pathetic posts are somehow 'obsessed' with you?....🤔
Here's a novel idea.....stop making dozens of posts a day basically slagging off our club and everything about us and arse licking other clubs, notably Woolwich...and then you may find people won't be 'obsessed' with you so much?....🤷‍♂️
 
Strange how you think everyone who mentions your pathetic posts are somehow 'obsessed' with you?....🤔
Here's a novel idea.....stop making dozens of posts a day basically slagging off our club and everything about us and arse licking other clubs notably Woolwich...and then you may find people won't be 'obsessed' with you so much?....🤷‍♂️

Like 3 people aren’t everyone. There are people who don’t like me who manage to avoid it, and then sad acts like you who constantly quote me despite me never quoting you ever unless you directly engage with me.

You represent loads of things I hate (EDL). I have zero respect for you as a person, yet I manage to avoid stalking you round the forum. It’s not hard.
 
Results are all over the place Arteta has had 5 years at Woolwich and been backed way more than Ange , that is an indisputable fact . They have 30 points from 16 games so averaging less than 2 points per game , current trajectory that gives them a low to mid 70’s total . Where we sit is not ideal but Ange has had less time , less money and now has the added issue of a toxic fan base chanting Levy out , a sentiment admittedly I share . He is NOT the issue imho

Our squad is an absolute fecking joke in terms of both depth and quality by comparison to our main rivals .

EDIT: There are smaller clubs above us , none of which have an injury crisis, or European football or are in the latter stages of the Carabao Cup

Fuck me Leicester won a league title cos things fell that way
They gave him that time because he won the FA cup in his first year and they got better every year after that.
If Ange wins a cup this year we should do the same and keep him for atleast another 1 or 2 years to see some progress.
If he does well, offer him a contract extension.
 
Like 3 people aren’t everyone. There are people who don’t like me who manage to avoid it, and then sad acts like you who constantly quote me despite me never quoting you ever unless you directly engage with me.

You represent loads of things I hate (EDL). I have zero respect for you as a person, yet I manage to avoid stalking you round the forum. It’s not hard.
You don't even know me as an individual you fool. You're simply guessing about me because i sided with Baz rather than your nonsense. Honestly fella, if you think i care that a gooner doesn't like me, then think again! I will continue to highlight your Spurs hatred and your gooner love wherever i see it....thanks for the tip though....👍
 
makes me laugh reading idiots talk about player errors lol. the kamikaze tactics puts unnecessary stress on certain players and guess what stress causes???

if you're going to keep asking forster to play out you're going to get cheap goals against you. 3-0 up and ends up being 4-3 and a goal that wouldnt of been given had VAR been in use.

to be fair, hes got some cult idiots, the other lot are just idiots who just haven't got a clue what they are talking about anyway lol. player errors....,


There's a keeper not good with his feet and then there is whatever Frase thought he was doing.
 
Are you really sure you want to be entertained?

I have a nice, calming shot of Sir Gareth Southgate waiting to double defensive pivot you gently into your final years.


Gareth Southgate Celebration GIF by BBC



Yours Sincerely

:levylol:
Cheers mate but I'm all Ange in. What's life without fun, challenge and excitement.
 
Results are all over the place Arteta has had 5 years at Woolwich and been backed way more than Ange , that is an indisputable fact . They have 30 points from 16 games so averaging less than 2 points per game , current trajectory that gives them a low to mid 70’s total . Where we sit is not ideal but Ange has had less time , less money and now has the added issue of a toxic fan base chanting Levy out , a sentiment admittedly I share . He is NOT the issue imho

Our squad is an absolute fecking joke in terms of both depth and quality by comparison to our main rivals .

EDIT: There are smaller clubs above us , none of which have an injury crisis, or European football or are in the latter stages of the Carabao Cup

Fuck me Leicester won a league title cos things fell that way
He won the FA Cup and that helped. IF Ange wins a League cup we should do the same.
 
I don't believe he means all that "are you not entertained - it's who were are mate" schtick (it's just the Australian version of Luis Enrique flouncing at journalists for asking stupid questions about tactics) but it's starting to get on my tits all the same.

It's a deflection from actually answering why we are still getting basketball after a year and a half. I mean he still has to deflect, but there's better deflection, injuries, kids etc etc, than his "entertainers" schtick, which is inviting ridicule. A few months ago he was fuming with the fans for not wanting to win a game, which I was kind of with him on, but now he's dishing out an equally daft/irritating message - even if it's smoke and mirrors.

The context is different. This WAS a crazy game. It WAS entertaining. His managing style can be accused of being many things but boring is never one of them.
 
The context is different. This WAS a crazy game. It WAS entertaining. His managing style can be accused of being many things but boring is never one of them.
The funny thing is, the turgid negative tactics of Jose and Conte were an ever-present grinding problem for the whole fanbase, we were all annoyed by it.

Whereas Ange's refusal to lock down games with a lead is like a dog whistle that drives one contingent of fans completely insane while others wonder what all the bother is about.
 
I have to admit, I'm all over the place with Ange.
Post Palace/Ipswich I was on the out side but then along comes Saints, Man U and the last two pressers where he genuinely opens up about who we are mate and I'm in again.
It's doing my head in.
So, having spent the day reflecting and having had a glass or two, fuck it. I'm in.
Not sure my old ticker will handle it but I'll go out entertained.
COYS
My New Year's resolution is to enjoy the games and let time and the table be the arbiter when it comes to the manager.
 
The funny thing is, the turgid negative tactics of Jose and Conte were an ever-present grinding problem for the whole fanbase, we were all annoyed by it.

Whereas Ange's refusal to lock down games with a lead is like a dog whistle that drives one contingent of fans completely insane while others wonder what all the bother is about.
It's results mate. Most fans are more excited by winning football than cavalier football that has your club under achieving and languishing in mid table.
I found Conte's last 16 games of the 21 / 22 season when we qualified for the CL at Woolwich's expense far more enjoyable than the first 16 games of this season
 
It's results mate. Most fans are more excited by winning football than cavalier football that has your club under achieving and languishing in mid table.
I found Conte's last 16 games of the 21 / 22 season when we qualified for the CL at Woolwich's expense far more enjoyable than the first 16 games of this season
No I take the point and agree, and we actually issued a fair few thrashings during that run-in, most memorably Woolwich. Conte's a hell of a coach.

But we all knew a dire 1-0 slog when we saw it.

Whereas honest to god, I get mad at our defensive lapses when we concede and I do think there's an overarching defensive vulnerability to Angeball, but the idea that we're supposed to totally change strategically with a lead just doesn't occur to me as I'm watching.

Whereas some fans and especially some pundits are like crawling out of their skin when Pedro Porro makes his normal underlapping run into the box up 2-0 in a game we're dominating.

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It's results mate. Most fans are more excited by winning football than cavalier football that has your club under achieving and languishing in mid table.
I found Conte's last 16 games of the 21 / 22 season when we qualified for the CL at Woolwich's expense far more enjoyable than the first 16 games of this season

thats maybe because the last 16 games had finality to it, like the last round of a golf tournament compared to the opening round

when you have this sort of game in a cup final or europa league semi or to get into 5th, then its exciting
 
For what it’s worth, I think Ange has not helped himself here with some of his statements and quips to the media. He should know they will take him at his word when he’s sometimes being facetious.


Ange Postecoglou has said he finds some of the criticism towards him “offensive” and vowed to carry on ignoring Jamie Carragher after the former Liverpool defender urged the Tottenham Hotspur players to go against their head coach’s instructions.

Postecoglou’s side came through a chaotic Carabao Cup quarter-final against Manchester United on Thursday, eventually winning 4-3 after letting a 3-0 lead slip to 3-2 after two errors caused by back-passes to the goalkeeper Fraser Forster.

Carragher, the Sky Sports pundit, suggested that the 59-year-old’s approach was to blame and that his players should have rejected his instructions. “The manager has told you to play a certain way but someone has to get a grip and say, ‘No, we are changing for the next five or ten minutes,’ ” he said.


“It frustrates me when players can’t see how the game state changes and recognise they have to change their approach to suit it.”


On Friday Postecoglou responded by saying: “There is some stuff out there I find just offensive towards me. I’m up here with a silly accent and maybe I don’t take things as seriously as people want me to and I’m fairly dismissive of them, but that’s all right. I love my life and I’ll keep doing what I’m doing.

“I don’t need validation from anybody to do what I do. I love the fact people are talking about and analysing our games. I’d rather that than us be anonymous and no one talk about us, or we’re just grinding out an existence.

“You have to be prepared for scrutiny, you have to be prepared for criticism, but it won’t change what I believe, because what I believe is born from a lifetime of experiences and values that I won’t let anyone tamper with from the outside.

“Because if you’re going to jump every time, it tells me you don’t really have a lot of belief in this building about what we’re doing, if we’re always going to worry about what he is saying.



“Someone like Jamie is there to give his opinion and will not stand there and say, ‘I’ve got nothing to say.’ Some of the other stuff I don’t understand, because it’s just about getting headlines, but again if you react to that [then] it kind of says more about you than anything else.”

Postecoglou believes Aston Villa manager Unai Emery had been treated unfairly when he was at Woolwich, and Nottingham Forest’s Nuno Espirito Santo in a brief spell at Spurs.

“You kind of feel that 26 years of hard graft should get you a little more respect and I’m not the only one,” he said. “I have seen it happen to Unai and Nuno when he was here.

“I get that not everyone will be a fan of the way I do things and even the way I play people will have different opinions. That’s normal, that’s healthy but some of it has been pretty dismissive.”


Slot is such a fan of Angeball that he declared he hoped Spurs win a trophy under him because it would be “good for football”.

Postecoglou did not see himself as a Messiah figure or a showman, though.

“I don’t think I’m an evangelist for the whole game,” he said. “To quote Monty Python, I’m just a naughty little boy.

“It’s what I love about football. There has got to be differences, people who are prepared to do thing a little bit differently.

“That allows opinion, that allows emotion. I hate to think people think I am some sort of showman — I want to win. That is still the core of my being.”

Postecoglou also insisted Joshua Zirkzee’s goal for United, which made it 3-1 would have been ruled out by VAR had it been in operation.

The Australian also revealed he had told the EFL, who consulted all the clubs involved in the last-eight ties before deciding to do without VAR until the semi-finals, that he did not want it on the night.

“Zirkzee was actually in the box pressing when he should have been — what he did was illegal,” he said. “But anyway we’ll let that run because there was no VAR last night. That was my decision so I’m happy with that.”

Tottenham’s win set up a Carabao Cup quarter-final meeting with Carragher’s former side Liverpool, who they also face at home in the Premier League on Sunday.
 
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Like 3 people aren’t everyone. There are people who don’t like me who manage to avoid it, and then sad acts like you who constantly quote me despite me never quoting you ever unless you directly engage with me.

You represent loads of things I hate (EDL). I have zero respect for you as a person, yet I manage to avoid stalking you round the forum. It’s not hard.

Telling who gave you a like emoji!

lol 😝

Most people would be embarrassed but you probably lap it up!!

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It's results mate. Most fans are more excited by winning football than cavalier football that has your club under achieving and languishing in mid table.
I found Conte's last 16 games of the 21 / 22 season when we qualified for the CL at Woolwich's expense far more enjoyable than the first 16 games of this season
In fairness we played some great stuff during this time. All fell apart CL qualification and we never looked the same again I thought.

Shame really, I thought Conte was going to achieve good things but 22/23 was one of the most painful times I can remember watching Spurs.
 
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