When Forest scored he was shaking his head like he couldn’t believe it.
I can’t believe he’s surprised.
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I can’t believe he’s surprised.
Yeah maybe I'm completely deluded but I can see a world where we get VDV back, Romero stops making stupid mistakes costing goals every game, we add a few reinforcements in the window and get a few good wins and start getting some confidence and momentum back.
I agree with that. Only counter point I would make is our mess of a squad build means we are much more suited to 352 than 433. I do think any manager with a 352 solution has a much better chance of getting something more with the current players. That isn’t how it should be but how I see it player wise. A back 3 you only need 1 proper CB if the other two are good on the ball as the wide CB’s are more like defensive full backs, we can use our wing backs as wing backs and Son can play off Solanke while packing the midfield.
Forster
Bissouma Dragusin Gray
Porro Sarr Bentancur Maddison Udogie
Solanke Son
Ange needs wingers who press, hold onto the ball and beat the full backs, Son and Johnson are not those guys. It’s why we wanted Neto and it’s what is causing us tactically the biggest issues as we lose the ball to much exposing our defence and don’t break down the opposition making it harder for Solanke and our midfield.
This is all well and good but I didn't ask for a breakdown of our manager, there's a load of repeated posts in here daily as to why he's doing a bad job.
Nothing is this essay has said anything positive with the guy you want him replaced with which proves my point and until then I don't want to hear about Ryan fekin Mason, spare me.
Not going to lie but thats absolutely crazy not starting Maddison today after resting him midweek... Son clearly needs a rest and he had the opportunity to rest him today with Maddison coming in! That defeats my point about about him not being able to rotate...
So Ange has let me down completely with that team. I can't defend that!
So Ange has let me down completely with that team. I can't defend that!
The other issue with the “what’s the worst that could happen” idea:
The form we’re in, not just currently, but over the last year or so, could easily see us finish 11th-14th. I don’t for a second think we’re in a relegation scrap, there’s a few teams who are just that poor that they will ways drop down before us.
But say we look at this as what’s the worst that could happen and let’s give him the rest of the season. We drop out of the cups, which I’m expecting us to do. We won’t beat Liverpool, the FA Cup who knows but I’d still fancy the first proper team in a bit of form to turn up and put us out, and the Europa, I think it’s there if we want it, but we need a proper manager to go for it - either way, let’s just say he doesn’t win anything, that’s one bit.
Then, the fact we so rarely win two league games on the bounce, his PPG and all the other stats that show we we lack any kind of consistency mean that we could quite conceivably, finish somewhere between 12th and 14th.
Regardless of what you think of them personally as personnel and whether they’re good enough, I would say Vicario, Porro, Dragusin, VDV, Romero, maybe Udogie, Kulu, Maddison, Solanke are all good enough to play in europe, so without it, we could lose any number of those players if the bid comes in.
To replace them, we know Levy doesn’t pay big wages and if anything with no Europe he’s likely to cost cut. So, we give Ange till the end of the season, no cups are won and we finish lower half of the table - where do you go then? Our worst players are all that remain, the players we can attract are even lower level than we can get now, and you’ve got a manager so unbelievably, woefully, embarrassingly out of his depth that next season with all the above, you could genuinely find we’re in a real problem area of perhaps not being directly at risk of going down, but instead we’re now fighting to even be a top half club.
The form we’re in, not just currently, but over the last year or so, could easily see us finish 11th-14th. I don’t for a second think we’re in a relegation scrap, there’s a few teams who are just that poor that they will ways drop down before us.
But say we look at this as what’s the worst that could happen and let’s give him the rest of the season. We drop out of the cups, which I’m expecting us to do. We won’t beat Liverpool, the FA Cup who knows but I’d still fancy the first proper team in a bit of form to turn up and put us out, and the Europa, I think it’s there if we want it, but we need a proper manager to go for it - either way, let’s just say he doesn’t win anything, that’s one bit.
Then, the fact we so rarely win two league games on the bounce, his PPG and all the other stats that show we we lack any kind of consistency mean that we could quite conceivably, finish somewhere between 12th and 14th.
Regardless of what you think of them personally as personnel and whether they’re good enough, I would say Vicario, Porro, Dragusin, VDV, Romero, maybe Udogie, Kulu, Maddison, Solanke are all good enough to play in europe, so without it, we could lose any number of those players if the bid comes in.
To replace them, we know Levy doesn’t pay big wages and if anything with no Europe he’s likely to cost cut. So, we give Ange till the end of the season, no cups are won and we finish lower half of the table - where do you go then? Our worst players are all that remain, the players we can attract are even lower level than we can get now, and you’ve got a manager so unbelievably, woefully, embarrassingly out of his depth that next season with all the above, you could genuinely find we’re in a real problem area of perhaps not being directly at risk of going down, but instead we’re now fighting to even be a top half club.
I literally said that mason can steady the ship until the summer. And you say I lack basic reading comprehension?
You know that saying if it’s not broke don’t fix it? Well it is broke and we do need to fix it.
I purposely ignored it because it's a load of nonsense.
Steady the ship, again that's not a guarantee particulaly for a coach that has little experience, that's mererly your opinion based on emotion purely because you have already made up your mind on the manager who is currently in charge of our club.
You might as well put yourself forward and claim you can 'steady the ship'
Ramblings.
That is what we thought the end of last season...
I watched the Wolves v Man U match. They are playing 5 at the back with 2 wing backs. I actually think they can nick a win today. Their style can hurt us on the break.
It's the manner of the defeats which as I expected drifted into this season.
You know the more I read your posts the more I see similarities with Ange. He’s obnoxious just like you. Makes sense now.
Ah, it seems we’ve finally found some common ground, Shady—what a rarity!
.You’re absolutely right, Ange is fortunate to still be in the job; in fact, many managers have been shown the door for far less. That’s exactly why he shouldn’t be allowed to continue just because of the ‘commitment bias.’ He’s had enough time, and results (or lack thereof) are the ultimate decider, like you say.
As for Mason, I don’t believe anyone is seriously calling for him to take the reins long-term—let’s not kid ourselves. The idea of him coming in is more about removing Ange before he does more damage to the club; there is zero downside to doing so. Mason likely will not do any better or any worse, it’s just about not rewarding incompetence and paying Ange an absurd amount of money for being mediocre and sending us backwards.
It’s not about romanticising the idea of ‘Mason as saviour,’ but simply a temporary solution until we have a replacement.
However, I’d argue that, a qualified replacement should be actively lined up before sacking him; and also, the club shouldn’t be dragging its heels until the summer to avoid the ‘optics’ of sacking yet another manager.
As a final thought, If the players are genuinely ‘behind’ Ange, as you say, then why are the performances so abject?
Players being emotionally supportive of a manager is nice in theory, but in practice, it’s meaningless if they aren’t producing results. At some point, we have to accept that the issue isn’t just effort or buy-in—it’s tactics, game management, and organisation, all of which have been lacking for months, so in that regard, I don’t think Mason being in would make much difference, it would just serve to remove Ange who doesn’t deserve to be employed at this football club and rewarded for mediocrity.
She’d infuse them with strengthI agree with all of that, apart from the tea lady. In fact, think she would probably do a better job setting up the team
You actually seem like a good bloke not a troll or someone who doesn't care. So genuinely.. he doesn't know what he's doing.
Son is an elite player, and one of the best in the prem. But of course, he is getting older and no longer has Kane to partner with.
We have a number of players that would be productive squad players in a 'top team'. Kulu, Romero, Porro, but they aren't good enough to lead an elite team.
I can't help but feel that letting Holberg go for pittance was a mistake. He was a leader and a warrior.
Just fuck off.
If you think keeping this div in charge is right, you simply ain't a fan.
I'd literally rather have no manager at this point and see how it goes rather than persist with this utter fraud.
I just worked it out, you sound like Ryan Mason, meek, inexperienced and clueless TBH
Question ( and I'm not trying to be funny here )
Have any of you lovely people got any FA coaching badges?
Have any of you lovely people got any FA coaching badges?