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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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I don't care what these bum managers have done in mickey mouse leagues...I literally couldn't give a single shit.
I've seen his tactical approach here in England and from what I've seen he is tactically inept and also very naive. What I see that's a little different then Postenoclue is that Amorim has at least hinted that although he won't deviate from his tactic he is willing to adapt. He said that in his last interview which semi hints that he's going to change something but let's see.
Postenoclue would never even insinuate anything like that because his ego is so much that he can't be seen to be wrong. He's too busy telling us that corners dont matter or that changing things at half time makes zero difference if the attitude of the current players on the pitch is off. He's too busy talking shit to think of the bigger picture.
Bet Amorim learns to adapt though.
He's 39 and has one of the biggest jobs in the world. If he actually wants to keep it, or go somewhere with any reputation left, he will.
Ange is a dinosaur. Could walk away tomorrow and never work again.
yeh I said I saw his recent interview where he at least said he's willing to adapt.
Let's see if it's genuine.
The mental gymnastics about Amorim are pretty funny to read, people realising that another coach dares to have the same principles as Ange and has gone on record saying he won't change and people can't deal with it lol
The same people will ignore the fact that Pep won't change his basic principles this season hence why his players are being exposed.
The same people will ignore the fact that Pep won't change his basic principles this season hence why his players are being exposed.
well it was 35m but ok...right...what are you saying? it shouldn't count? didn't you just say before this that you wanted and liked us going to youth route? I don't get the point.
Difference is Pep has won the PL and CL with his principles. He’s also been one of the greats for a long time.
Ange and Amorim have done nothing in the Prem or Champions League to earn their stubbornness.
Eh?
Pocchettino took over a Spurs that had just finished 6th with 69 points. Struggled massively until a player led revolution made him start the bloke who would go on to become the greatest striker in Premier League history. That led to undoubtedly a golden period which came to an abrupt end when he was (wrongly) sacked with us plunging down the table.
Ange Postecoglou took over a team that finished 8th in the league with 60 points. A CLUB in an absolute state of despair. We were a rabble from top to bottom. Our fans loathed most of the players. And we sold the greatest striker in Premier League history a week before the season began.
I agree with your assessment that Pochettino is a better manager than Postecoglou but rewriting history doesn't help.
Nobody, *NOBODY* rated the squad Pochettino took over! He had a number of ageing played to painfully phase out (Ryan Mason + Bentaleb having to play regularly, I’m sure Ange would love it). He finished 5th first season, which apparently when Ange achieved it was a real accomplishment. He also got to a league cup final. Kane wasn’t the greatest premier league striker when he took over and I have zero faith this current manager brings him through at all.
Also a team which had finished top 4 under Conte and was 4th under Conte before he was sacked. We finished 8th because Levy appointed his assistant and then Mason. Ange then lost Kane but added Van de Ven, Udogie, Dragusin, a full season of Porro, Johnson, Maddison, Vicario, Solomon, Werner, spending over £200 million pounds that year. He then got another £130 million invested this summer.
Pochettino spent 4 million net in his first summer window. 16m net in his second window. Players he developed (Dele, Walker, Rose, Dier etc) are being given so much hindsight it’s unreal. I have zero, ZERO faith this current charlatan turns those players in to what they became under Pochettino.
There’s only one group of people rewriting history here and it’s the people pretending Ange has had it insanely hard, and not much easier than many of our previous coaches. We genuinely have a decent squad right now (easily top 6 with lots of growth potential) but this manager is failing miserably.
So we're agreeing that it's the right thing to do to not change principles for certain managers as opposed to other managers based on what they've won and in this instance Pep has won it all...
Sorry but isn't that a justification on why they shouldn't change or is it a bad thing following in the footsteps of arguably the greatest manager there ever was?
Think the january transfer window will be a clue with the predicament of ange. Just loans and a measly budget from board imo is an indication of low faith in him.
Amorim has gone on record saying he's not going to change the tactics but he is now going to adapt. That's him conceding things are not going well and something has to change.
Your comment about Pep is pretty cringe tbh. Every manager in world football has their basic principles and few will completley change that. What the majority would do is being open to adapt the tactic which isn't remotely similar to "basic principles". That's why the 4-4-2 tactic is borderline extinct, having more players on the pitch doesn't necessarily mean you are a more attacking team or will attack more in a match.
Pep also has access to the best players in the world and a budget Spurs fans could only ever dream of. I'm sure Ange could make his style work too if we weren't continually raking the bargain bins at Aldi, but that's not our reality. There's no point in persisting with someone who can't adapt to our reality.
As for Amorim, looks like hes having a right mare. I'm not sure why some think him sticking to his guns while also crashing and burning is some sort of validation of Anges approach. At least in his defence you could say he's what, two months in having had no transfer windows using a squad built by ETH who's primary ambition was singing anything with legs from Eredivisie.
Not only is this guy a shit manager.
He is ruining the careers of our players with his stupid half pitch sprints and high pressing.
He is ruining the careers of our players with his stupid half pitch sprints and high pressing.
Well if my post made you annoyed wait until you get tobus-conductor 's reply to you
I can’t be arsed even dignifying that with a response. BC has some weird dislike of Pochettino and need to play him down whereas he has an obvious soft spot for Ange for whatever reason. Probably because we keep the ball.
Ange’s win loss ratio & PPG will end up being the worst we’ve had for some time by the time we pull the trigger.
Pep didnt like his GK and backline, so spent 250m replacing them, when 250m was a shit ton of money.
Certainly wouldn't want to be buying sticking plaster players who any potential new manager would be stuck with and unable to shift in Summer. That would be a disaster. Buy quality or loan in temporary help imo. And we all know the latter is more likely.
You can’t copy Pep. Ange doesn’t have the resources, the mind or the background to do it. If you want him to copy Pep then he’s going to be a failure and take the club down with him.
So the aim isn’t to win stuff then?
Ok might as well fold the club.
Original poster is a clown shoe. Always has been always will be.
Ange would get that United team relegated FFS. It is actually not terrible quality wise but it is the antithesis of a squad suited to high press/intensity football. A Marco Silva could have it top 6. The squad is too old, lazy and egotistical.
I have no idea if Amorim is good or not. Managing Sporting in Portugal isn’t proof you can do it in the Prem anymore than Ange managing Celtic is. I’m sure his philosophy sounds fantastic in an interview.
I have no idea if Amorim is good or not. Managing Sporting in Portugal isn’t proof you can do it in the Prem anymore than Ange managing Celtic is. I’m sure his philosophy sounds fantastic in an interview.