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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Shadydan said:
Actually these were your words which kicked off this stupid argument, I haven't twisted these.



Talking about future performance as if we can afford to turn our noses up at cups, you're talking crap - we're in a pretty unique situation where we haven't won a fucking trophy since 2008 and here you are trying put more value in the league as if it means more to us, unbelievable.
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I never said I wanted to win minor cups. I won’t apologize for wanting to win in terms of final league position and champions league ball. If you value something else I accept you have your preferences- but I’m not necessarily compelled to agree with them.

We won’t win the FA cup if we can’t even get close to top 4 in league- don’t you understand that?

Hoping for fluke wins rather than consistent performance is an absolutely foolish way to demonstrate or ensure long-term success.
 
Yiddy said:
I don't really like what I've seen of his football since he's been here. Even with everyone available it's been meh and at best it's been a shit 45 followed by a good 45. Will we win a bit more with our 2 central defenders back? Probably. Will we start smashing teams 4-0 every week based on what we've seen so far in his tenure? I find that highly unlikely, almost delusional to at this point think he will take us anywhere near to where poch or redknapp or even conte got us.
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Even with a fit team, we only get the occasional good win.
Most of the time it's similar to what we are seeing now, teams cutting through our ineffective high line with ease.
We don't look like a well coached team at all, instead they look like a team of individuals all playing off the cuff.
Any reasonably well coached and organised team beats angeball more often than not.
 
spursfan76 said:
Maybe not start him? But he clearly thinks that BJ is something special. For 50M he had options and he went for BJ. How clueless .
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You know that for fact yeah? Like you work behind the scenes? He definitely does not think he's "something special" he's just backed a club asset like any professional should. Things go proper tits up and we'll still be paying his wages in 4/5 years without having a player who can offer anything at all.
 
Matt1882 said:
Nah, fuck em.
If they want to be fucking idiots they deserve to be absolutely devastated when we get spanked by Liverpool, knocked out of the FA Cup by a championship side and humiliated in Europe by a feeder club for someone else.

I hope they're genuinely downbeat when all that happens, because they only have themselves to blame.
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Oh shut up. Everyone is an idiot because they don't agree with me argument
 
I agree wholeheartedly that the Europa League should be our focus now but, and here's a but I don't think that even at full strength we will win it. We should try and try hard but even when we've played at full strength in the league we've looked shite all season.

It would be foolish to entirely ease up on the league. Relegation is such a remote possibility that we only need to win a couple more games to put that to bed but we haven't put it to bed yet. We've been awful for months and the fact we haven't won a home game since November 3rd isn't exactly encouraging. We've only managed two home draws since then in fact, it's not like we're grinding draws out. It's like those people who are blindly chanting the "it will get better" don't grasp how seriously shite we've been for months. No magic wand fixes this overnight.

Chances are we're not winning the Europa league and to blindly put all our eggs in that basket is fucking ludicrous. But of course the only people seriously suggesting this are the resident WUMs and contrarians so at least we can safely ignore them.
 
There is absolutely no discussion to be had about taking one competition easier than the other.

It's January 4th ffs.

Go as strong as we can every game - which is pretty easy to do atm with half the squad on death's door.
 
kingdawson said:
yeh you're missing the point intentionally and it's obvious.

If our thick as pig shit manager priorities the cups and rotates players for the league do you think that sends the correct message to the players? ok forget the mentality side of it.

We can barely pick up draws when we rotate ffs..we fucking don't have the squad. Imagine we start "rotating" to prioritise cups. It's all well and good calling everyone "wimps" but it seems the "wimps" are the ones living in the real world and you're living in some make believe fantasy world which doesn't take into account factual evidence..just a belief based on absolutely nothing.
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What the fuck are you on about the mentality side? like what are you actually talking about? There's a world where you can rest a Kulusevski and play a Maddison for in a league game, or play Spence over Porro...No-one's fucking talking about playing Lankshear and a load of kids against Chelsea...rest and rotate accordingly.

Is this the first time you've ever seen a suggestion that a team might rotate according to competition they're in or something, I don't know why you're being so pig headed with this, like can we use a bit of common sense?

You're talking from the perspective of our current squad status, it's pretty obvious we're losing matches right now because of our injuries, you can dress it up all you want but you know for a fact that when we get our 2 CB's back on the pitch and our keeper we will improve...you fucking accuse me of intentionally missing the point but you're literally doing the same thing here, it's incredible.

And once again even if you get your wish and the manager is sacked then I'd expect the same thing whoever is in charge...our squad is better than it is either way with or without Ange so I don't understand why you'd think that we'll be in relegation trouble with or without Ange and that we can't actually proritise the cup comps.

The 'factual evidence' you want to look at by the way which is something you guys always quote is that in the calendar year of 2024 we are firmly a mid table team: look:

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So with that being said it's likely we will finish around there so once again I'm asking why you think we cannot prirotise Euro Comps over the Prem, your'e talking utter nonsense as per usual.
 
Shadydan said:
the discussion is merely about prirotising EL or the Premier League and if we're not in danger of being relegated then why would you prirotise the Prem over the EL
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On this we completely agree. The EL has to be our priority.

Ther merit payment difference in the PL between 5th and 17th in the 2023/24 distribution was £37.4. The difference between R16 in the CL and R16 in the EL is about £30m. And it explodes after that, as each step in the bracket is worth £10M+ more than the same step in the EL.

So it's pretty much a financial wash, 17th & win the EL vs 5th and don't. Except we will have won a trophy and earned our route into the best competition next season as "champions" of something.

Realistically, even if we prioritise the league and turn things around we'd be fortunate to finish 6th. If you assume City get their shit together, then we have to at least overtake Newcastle or Forest, who are 11 and 13 points ahead of us, respectively AND surpass all of Bournemouth, Villa, Fulham, Brighton, and Brentford.

I'd be shocked if we could finish 7th or 8th this season. But take the best case scenario of 7th: the difference in merit payments between 7th and 17th is down to £31.1M. The difference in R16 in the CL and R16 in the ECL is about £40M.

For comparison purposes, winning the CL is worth up to €85M, EL €25M, ECL €16M, FA Cup €4M, League Cup €225k.

Honestly, the League Cup is so pointless that, if they won't do away with it as I wish, they should make it a charity cup or something positive at least.
 
Gmspurs said:
So what do you think will be different this time then?

Sacked Poch
Sacked Nuno
Sacked Mourhino
Sacked Conte

Tell me - what will be different this time?

Who's the manager that we should get that we can sack in 58 games time?
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The fact we sacked all of those despite being better than we are now is all the evidence anyone should need Ange should be gone
 
Matt1882 said:
You said nobody could do better or something to test effect.
That implies nobody is better.

Mason is better.
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He said no one else could coach us to all wins right now. Given how beat up we are it’s a fairly obvious thing to say. I agree the sentiment seemed more like “no one else could do better”, though I guess technically was worded differently.
 
Also: jack off the league entirely?

Between me and my wife we've spent a couple of thousand on this year's STs.

You think I'm happy with just saying the second half of the season is just training games for the Europa League when I've ponied up for all the tickets in advance?

Fuck no.
 
MemphisWill said:
On this we completely agree. The EL has to be our priority.

Ther merit payment difference in the PL between 5th and 17th in the 2023/24 distribution was £37.4. The difference between R16 in the CL and R16 in the EL is about £30m. And it explodes after that, as each step in the bracket is worth £10M+ more than the same step in the EL.

So it's pretty much a financial wash, 17th & win the EL vs 5th and don't. Except we will have won a trophy and earned our route into the best competition next season as "champions" of something.

Realistically, even if we prioritise the league and turn things around we'd be fortunate to finish 6th. If you assume City get their shit together, then we have to at least overtake Newcastle or Forest, who are 11 and 13 points ahead of us, respectively AND surpass all of Bournemouth, Villa, Fulham, Brighton, and Brentford.

I'd be shocked if we could finish 7th or 8th this season. But take the best case scenario of 7th: the difference in merit payments between 7th and 17th is down to £31.1M. The difference in R16 in the CL and R16 in the ECL is about £40M.

For comparison purposes, winning the CL is worth up to €85M, EL €25M, ECL €16M, FA Cup €4M, League Cup €225k.

Honestly, the League Cup is so pointless that, if they won't do away with it as I wish, they should make it a charity cup or something positive at least.
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Europa League final runners-up. Out semis EFLcup. Out semi finals FA cup. 10th place league finish.

Do you accept that outcome?
 
candrews said:
You know that for fact yeah? Like you work behind the scenes? He definitely does not think he's "something special" he's just backed a club asset like any professional should. Things go proper tits up and we'll still be paying his wages in 4/5 years without having a player who can offer anything at all.
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Nah, when you make a terrible business decision like that, you write it off and move on asap. His terrible misses today just shows the world that this guy can't even finish from a few yards out to save the man who bet the house on him.

You think he's fooling anyone with this BJ nonsense. He's just hurting the team. He is no wizard and he's not going to make BJ look good.

Apart from BJ, I think Ange lacks defensive and tactical acumen. It feels like it's always our team that is getting outsmarted. Guys at this level are usually good but Ange was a gamble. He'd never competed against the best. His champions league and record in Europe really sucks. He's just not a very smart guy. Levy is not very smart for picking him and now he's probably too embarrassed to cut the loss. But even Levy must have his limits. I wouldn't be shocked to see Ange sacked tomorrow.
 
bk_spur said:
I never said I wanted to win minor cups. I won’t apologize for wanting to win in terms of final league position and champions league ball. If you value something else I accept you have your preferences- but I’m not necessarily compelled to agree with them.

We won’t win the FA cup if we can’t even get close to top 4 in league- don’t you understand that?

Hoping for fluke wins rather than consistent performance is an absolutely foolish way to demonstrate or ensure long-term success.
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The problem here is that your alternative scenario doesn't demonstrate long term success either, it's a fools argument because it's been said many times that this football club is better off qualifying for top 4 and what does it lead to? Absolutely nothing.

You're trying to talk like we are a club who normally hoovers up trophies, you cannot compare us to our rivals because our rivals normally win and are going for bigger prizes, we don't do that.

Even if we fluke a cup it gets the monkey off our back and and it could possibly change the culture and mentality of the club and the fans.

That's worth much more than finishing 6th or just merely focusing on the league because the league doesn't really get you anywhere and it doesn't set you up for long term success especially as this club.
 
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