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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%

  • Total voters
    112
Yes, getting to the LC final and even winning it… that would be fucking shit for us in the long term.

The moronometer is absolutely buzzing it’s tits off with that post.
If Levy's able to live off that League Cup trophy for another 15 years then there could be no clearer example of a pyrrhic victory
 
This gormless tag team reminds me of Luke and Butch.

jamie don GIF
 
Wasn’t the personality for me.

It’s the football I’ve seen when we are at our best and the conviction to stick to his guns under pressure.

Winners don’t budge. People give Ange shit for being stubborn about what he believes in but that is a trait that every single elite sports person has. Maybe it doesn’t work at a club like Spurs and we should just accept the underdog mentality of being flexible to finish top 4.

I’ve just seen that road for us before and it’s not really worth giving time to. I can live with the anger of seeing this season out just to know for sure that it won’t work over longer periods because I’ve seen it really work for shorter periods.
The only time it ā€˜worked’ was in those first ten games, and even then, it relied on novelty rather than sustainable tactics. This is the same squad that looked dominant early on, but once other managers figured out how to neutralise us, it’s been a steady decline with the occasional stand out performance.

The idea that stubbornness alone is a mark of greatness ignores context entirely. True elite managers adapt when faced with challenges; they don’t blindly cling to a failing system. This isn’t conviction—it’s arrogance masked as resilience. The only time I have seen Ange adapt is when he is desperate.

I firmly believe the players have a much higher ceiling than the football this manager has them playing. He’s failing to get the best out of them, and the long-term results speak for themselves in that regard.

Doubling down on a clearly failing project doesn’t make him or the people supporting him visionaries who can see what others can’t; it just makes them people refusing to acknowledge reality. Stubbornness without results is simply obstinacy Rich, and there’s nothing noble about that.
 
Its not about wanting to lose, we will lose under this fool and if that means that he gets the sack, then that sits well with me.
I despise this manager and I want him as far away from my football club as possible!

The poster in question actively said this:

Never felt so checked out from this club or alienated from this moron fanbase in 30 years. Hope Liverpool absolutely fucking batter us on Wednesday. Goodnight.

Hoping that we get battered and actively wanting us to lose is just being a twat and you're not a fan no matter what you think of the manager - fuck anyone who agrees with this and if you agree with it you can fuck off as well.
 
He should have lost all his supporters after the game against Chelsea at the end of 2023. That game showed that he is an idiot.

Agreed

Absolutely clueless to carry on using a high line with 9 men!!

That should have been his last game for us!
 
Because our full squad had VDV and Maddison still in pre season fitness after 3 months out and a burnt out Son from Asiacup mid season, Sarr injured from AFCON and Bissouma recovering from Malaria and a crisis of confidence from yellow and red cards.

This season the squad is slightly better equipped to live without them at 100% but last year we struggled with one of those guys but NONE of them were fully fit
How many players does an Ange squad need in that case? Atleast 33? Three full starting elevens.
 
The only time it ā€˜worked’ was in those first ten games,

Mate that's just a narrative and patently not true. There was another 16 game period that same season where we had great results and decent performances.

It was "working" for a lot of the games at the start of this season where performances were strong but results inconsistent. It worked against Villa, City and Brentford this season, 3 very different teams when it comes to style. it worked against United twice already this season and Everton this season. Again, very different teams. It worked against 2 different United managers.

It worked in the Europa League this season with a heavily rotated squad and a very young average age of player in the lineup. Even worked with a younger, rotated lineup when down to 10 men for 85 minutes. It worked second half against Newcastle in the most absurd injury and illness circumstances. Granted it didn't work enough to win that game but the performance was enough to win.

The idea that stubbornness alone is a mark of greatness ignores context entirely. True elite managers adapt when faced with challenges; they don’t blindly cling to a failing system. This isn’t conviction—it’s arrogance masked as resilience. The only time I have seen Ange adapt is when he is desperate.

Ange also adapts. And yes elite managers do stick to their system when faced with challenges. Conte made MUCH less changes to his system than Ange has when he was up against it in his second season. Pep didn't even flinch when ut came to playing his system this season because he's stubborn and believes in it. Now they are picking up results playing exactly the same way. It's just something that all elite sports people share. That doesn't mean Ange is elite but it's certainly not something we should hold against him if we want to be elite. And yes it does have an element of arrogance to it but guess fucking what? Yes, that is also something elite sports people have,

I firmly believe the players have a much higher ceiling than the football this manager has them playing. He’s failing to get the best out of them, and the long-term results speak for themselves in that regard.

So do I and so does Ange but there are no long-term results to speak of and there won't be if we don't see out the season. Now, if it gets much worse from here and we get knocked out of the cups and Europe then we probably won't ever see the truth long-term but we can't pretend this is long-term right now because it isn't.

Doubling down on a clearly failing project doesn’t make him or the people supporting him visionaries who can see what others can’t; it just makes them people refusing to acknowledge reality. Stubbornness without results is simply obstinacy Rich, and there’s nothing noble about that.

Who said anyone had to be visionairies? what a weird thing to say? haven't seen anyone claim to be a visionary. The only thing anyone has said is that although it is currently failing for results, that doesn't mean that is HAS FAILED. I want to see if he can reach the ceiling of his project more often and we won't know that if we only look at the team under these current circumstance which aren't conducive to peak performances and that is the reality you want people to acknowledge.
 
We're talking about the same fans who were happy that Levy sacked Jose a week before the cup final and praised him for doing so so why am I so surprised?

Anything to make themselves feel better because they can't deal with their emotions...over club glory

Selfish twonks.

Most of them have reached the point where they would prefer WE lose than face the possibility that they quit on something too early.

Some of them openly say they would love to be wrong and I believe them. Tbh we are in 12th and there isn't much that can be said to those guys because it sucks being in 12th. This season is following a shitty, boring, disheartening script for Spurs fans, and we've watched too many of those scripts play out in the last 20 odd years. I can't blame them because I'm bored as well. i thnk we all are really.
 
Also as a STH holder, my observation is that since the Liverpool game that Ange Postecoglou chant has vanished. Gone.

The band at the bar in the West tried to start it up pregame on Saturday and nobody really joined in.

I'm not saying the match day fans are all Ange Out but there's a definite shift in attitude. It's gone from fully behind him to a bit "meh".
Lose another 10 out of our next 20 and maybe a few might start to doubt him a tiny bit
 
Of all the people to apparently back.

No, don’t back Poch, Mourinho or Conte. Let’s back the one who’s about the same as Ramos.

Except this clown won’t win us shit.
I didn't like Ramos. He was mighty Useless but he didn't get any of the Tools he wanted.

Ramos told People Sport: "I'd never have authorised the decision to sell Keane and Berbatov and not replace them with players of similar calibre.

"It was too risky but they paid no attention to me and things turned out badly. That is where my problems at Spurs started.


Levy Sold those two and gave him Darren Bent.

Ange on the other hand, claims all transfers are sanctioned by him. Levy will use Ange. Ange doesn't know what a CV killer THFC can be if he Blindly follows Levy. He's an arrogant Yes Man, that is clear. It's gonna bite him in the arse.
 
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Mate that's just a narrative and patently not true. There was another 16 game period that same season where we had great results and decent performances.

It was "working" for a lot of the games at the start of this season where performances were strong but results inconsistent. It worked against Villa, City and Brentford this season, 3 very different teams when it comes to style. it worked against United twice already this season and Everton this season. Again, very different teams. It worked against 2 different United managers.

It worked in the Europa League this season with a heavily rotated squad and a very young average age of player in the lineup. Even worked with a younger, rotated lineup when down to 10 men for 85 minutes. It worked second half against Newcastle in the most absurd injury and illness circumstances. Granted it didn't work enough to win that game but the performance was enough to win.



Ange also adapts. And yes elite managers do stick to their system when faced with challenges. Conte made MUCH less changes to his system than Ange has when he was up against it in his second season. Pep didn't even flinch when ut came to playing his system this season because he's stubborn and believes in it. Now they are picking up results playing exactly the same way. It's just something that all elite sports people share. That doesn't mean Ange is elite but it's certainly not something we should hold against him if we want to be elite. And yes it does have an element of arrogance to it but guess fucking what? Yes, that is also something elite sports people have,



So do I and so does Ange but there are no long-term results to speak of and there won't be if we don't see out the season. Now, if it gets much worse from here and we get knocked out of the cups and Europe then we probably won't ever see the truth long-term but we can't pretend this is long-term right now because it isn't.



Who said anyone had to be visionairies? what a weird thing to say? haven't seen anyone claim to be a visionary. The only thing anyone has said is that although it is currently failing for results, that doesn't mean that is HAS FAILED. I want to see if he can reach the ceiling of his project more often and we won't know that if we only look at the team under these current circumstance which aren't conducive to peak performances and that is the reality you want people to acknowledge.
The claim that Ange’s system ā€œworkedā€ beyond the initial ten-game honeymoon is an appealing but ultimately flimsy narrative imo. You’ve cherry-picked isolated wins here, like those against City or United, to support your argument while conveniently ignoring the broader trend of stagnation and predictability. One or two standout performances a season don’t validate a system—consistency does. You mention a supposed 16-game stretch of ā€œgreat results and decent performances.ā€ Care to list those games and provide evidence? Or is this just another anecdote to prop up a the managers failing philosophy?

Comparing Ange’s stubbornness to Pep’s is off-base, you don't win what he has without adapting to opponents. Ange, stubbornly clings to a rigid philosophy, even as it’s repeatedly exploited by opponents. This is widely recognised at this point, except by his most ardent defenders who think he is rewriting how the game is played. If anything, his inflexibility highlights why he’s miles away from being ā€œelite.ā€ The only time Ange shows any tactical deviation is when he’s backed into a corner and desperate for results—a far cry from calculated evolution.

Pointing to ā€œcircumstancesā€ like injuries and rotation as excuses is yet another weak deflection as well. Sure, those factors can cause a temporary blip, but they don’t account for months of uninspired, one-dimensional football, I am not sure how people even find it entertaining now either, having one big blow out win against someone once every few months isn't what I consider entertaining. Even with a healthier squad earlier in the season, the warning signs were evident, and Ange has done little more than offer hollow soundbites in response to all this, like he always does.

You’re basically advocating for sticking with a manager who has yet to demonstrate even a shred of consistency in this league outside of his first ten games and that's not a "narrative" it's a fact that is backed up by the stats.

When was the last time we even won three league games in a row? The ONLY reason this man is still in a job at this point is because Levy fucked up the last two appointments so badly he has decided to stick for once out of desperation and because of the "Big Ange" "We have our Tottenham back" narrative that is still, for whatever reason, being touted around like it's gospel and giving him breathing room.

As for the notion of being visionaries, you don’t have to explicitly claim it—you’ve repeatedly insisted that this system has a ā€œhigher ceilingā€ than others. What exactly are you seeing that the rest of the football world isn’t? That’s the real question. Is your stance rooted in objective analysis or blind hope? Because if it’s the latter, it carries little weight, mate.

Listen, like I have said many times, I would love for this to all work out and be completely wrong here and Ange shove every single word down my throat but it seems highly doubtful that is going to be the case at this point, if not almost impossible.
 
Mate that's just a narrative and patently not true. There was another 16 game period that same season where we had great results and decent performances.

It was "working" for a lot of the games at the start of this season where performances were strong but results inconsistent. It worked against Villa, City and Brentford this season, 3 very different teams when it comes to style. it worked against United twice already this season and Everton this season. Again, very different teams. It worked against 2 different United managers.

It worked in the Europa League this season with a heavily rotated squad and a very young average age of player in the lineup. Even worked with a younger, rotated lineup when down to 10 men for 85 minutes. It worked second half against Newcastle in the most absurd injury and illness circumstances. Granted it didn't work enough to win that game but the performance was enough to win.



Ange also adapts. And yes elite managers do stick to their system when faced with challenges. Conte made MUCH less changes to his system than Ange has when he was up against it in his second season. Pep didn't even flinch when ut came to playing his system this season because he's stubborn and believes in it. Now they are picking up results playing exactly the same way. It's just something that all elite sports people share. That doesn't mean Ange is elite but it's certainly not something we should hold against him if we want to be elite. And yes it does have an element of arrogance to it but guess fucking what? Yes, that is also something elite sports people have,



So do I and so does Ange but there are no long-term results to speak of and there won't be if we don't see out the season. Now, if it gets much worse from here and we get knocked out of the cups and Europe then we probably won't ever see the truth long-term but we can't pretend this is long-term right now because it isn't.



Who said anyone had to be visionairies? what a weird thing to say? haven't seen anyone claim to be a visionary. The only thing anyone has said is that although it is currently failing for results, that doesn't mean that is HAS FAILED. I want to see if he can reach the ceiling of his project more often and we won't know that if we only look at the team under these current circumstance which aren't conducive to peak performances and that is the reality you want people to acknowledge.
Im Guessing You have something for Ange. He's a married man you know? Can't see anyone hyping up the BS inverted FB, one way, No defense tripe we watching, excuse for football we are playing, this much.
 
I watch the games. I suppose you don't. I can't make videos for you because you can't spot the obvious.
But do look at our most recent game. His shot went flying parallel to the goal.

Tbh i haven’t time to watch football matches. So I rely on people making YouTube videos. But I can’t find one showing him making parallel shots.

Here’s one some other helpful chap made for me.

Electric!!


View: https://youtu.be/FkV95_3wxe8?feature=shared
 
it’s difficult to see us getting anything at Woolwich. The trip to Goodison to face Everton becomes huge then. Everton are limited but in the last month, they have drawn with Chavs, Woolwich and Citeh. They’ll be licking their lips at the prospect of facing us. Lose at Everton and we’ll be in the thick of the relegation fight.
 
The claim that Ange’s system ā€œworkedā€ beyond the initial ten-game honeymoon is an appealing but ultimately flimsy narrative imo. You’ve cherry-picked isolated wins here, like those against City or United, to support your argument while conveniently ignoring the broader trend of stagnation and predictability. One or two standout performances a season don’t validate a system—consistency does. You mention a supposed 16-game stretch of ā€œgreat results and decent performances.ā€ Care to list those games and provide evidence? Or is this just another anecdote to prop up a the managers failing philosophy?

Comparing Ange’s stubbornness to Pep’s is off-base, you don't win what he has without adapting to opponents. Ange, stubbornly clings to a rigid philosophy, even as it’s repeatedly exploited by opponents. This is widely recognised at this point, except by his most ardent defenders who think he is rewriting how the game is played. If anything, his inflexibility highlights why he’s miles away from being ā€œelite.ā€ The only time Ange shows any tactical deviation is when he’s backed into a corner and desperate for results—a far cry from calculated evolution.

Pointing to ā€œcircumstancesā€ like injuries and rotation as excuses is yet another weak deflection as well. Sure, those factors can cause a temporary blip, but they don’t account for months of uninspired, one-dimensional football, I am not sure how people even find it entertaining now either, having one big blow out win against someone once every few months isn't what I consider entertaining. Even with a healthier squad earlier in the season, the warning signs were evident, and Ange has done little more than offer hollow soundbites in response to all this, like he always does.

You’re basically advocating for sticking with a manager who has yet to demonstrate even a shred of consistency in this league outside of his first ten games and that's not a "narrative" it's a fact that is backed up by the stats.

When was the last time we even won three league games in a row? The ONLY reason this man is still in a job at this point is because Levy fucked up the last two appointments so badly he has decided to stick for once out of desperation and because of the "Big Ange" "We have our Tottenham back" narrative that is still, for whatever reason, being touted around like it's gospel and giving him breathing room.

As for the notion of being visionaries, you don’t have to explicitly claim it—you’ve repeatedly insisted that this system has a ā€œhigher ceilingā€ than others. What exactly are you seeing that the rest of the football world isn’t? That’s the real question. Is your stance rooted in objective analysis or blind hope? Because if it’s the latter, it carries little weight, mate.
Ligue 1 Applause GIF by Toulouse Football Club
 
Tbh i haven’t time to watch football matches. So I rely on people making YouTube videos. But I can’t find one showing him making parallel shots.

Here’s one some other helpful chap made for me.

Electric!!


View: https://youtu.be/FkV95_3wxe8?feature=shared

1:34
Amazing that a 50M player has such poor technique that he's not even close of getting that on target.

And no, it wasn't a cross.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4mQk1lepTg&t=6s
 
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