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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Kiro Kompiro said:
Scott Munn got his football break at Melbourne Heart. He was behind the club rising to dizzying levels of mediocrity. The club was a shambles and fans wanted him out, but in his defense money was tight. In a classic case of falling upward, City Football Group wants to buy Sydney FC, but Russian Billionaires owners Son In Law tells CFG to go fish, so CFG settles for Melbourne Heart. Munn continues his meteoric falling upward within the CFG brand and ends up at CFG Chinese affiliate club. Postecoglou quits managing the national team after qualifying for the WC (avoiding failure after a Syrian free-kick cannons off the post in the dying minutes). He is snapped up by CFG to manage Yokohama Marinos. Celtic also has close links with CFG. After his success there, Postecoglou gets the Celtic gig. No doubt Munn influences the appointment to Tottenham, both ex-CFG.
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so the stuff about not wanting to manage the aussie team at the WC was because - copied from a SMH article-

But Postecoglou said he was left with a “flat” feeling barely a week after the Socceroos beat South Korea 2-1 in front of 76,385 fans at Sydney’s Stadium Australia in the Asian Cup final, as it dawned on him that the code and the country was not responding the way he imagined.

“I misread what happened, what the impact it would possibly have,” he said.

"“Then through that [Russia] World Cup campaign, I felt we’d just gone back into that cycle again of not understanding what it takes to become a really strong footballing nation. It wasn’t just about qualifying for World Cups, it was about having an identity, believing in something."

“That was going to be my benchmark – from now on, don’t accept anything less than winning the Asian Cup every time, qualifying for the World Cup and being the number one nation in Asia. And I couldn’t find that golden key to open that up.”

apparently

more words
 
Brian Fantana said:
The injuries just don’t let that happen though unfortunately. All part of the same Australian shaped problem.
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No, I'm saying this seperate to injuries. I understand if he has to run players into the ground and then replace them like-for-like. I don't understand if he drops Johnson for City away, wins 4-0, then starts Johnson again.
 
Deuterz said:
Now show the only thing that ever matters in football - POINTS.

Results, results,results. We weren't doing well results wise pre injuries and we're not doing well results wise post injuries.

You and BC can wank to xG tables and graphs all you want, points mean prizes, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
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Check your mirrors Deuterz, come on stop being silly now

The xg king speaks:

Deuterz said:
Their xG this season is 50, ours is 57. Hardly a colossal gap, Totti.
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Deuterz said:
Let's not ignore context - they were down to 10. Prior to being down to 10 they were well on top and had barely conceded any xG. Unless we're going to try and rely on another sending off for them, that isn't all that relevant. Brighton are also a good side, I wouldn't back us to beat them currently in a neutral stadium.

We can score against them but they can score against us, and their defence is definitely a lot more fucking stable than ours is.
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Deuterz said:
We had less than one xG. Are you saying that even if their chances were because of Forster we ‘won’ the numbers?
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Can't have it both ways, you either use xg in context or you don't,pick a side. :harrylol:
 
Shadydan said:
Check your mirrors Deuterz, come on stop being silly now

The xg king speaks:







Can't have it both ways, you either use xg in context or you don't,pick a side. :harrylol:
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Oh no, not Shady doing his fucking usual and thinking he's achieved some kind of gotcha by being a sadcase and trawling through posts ... only to find nothing which actual goes against what I said.

I'll use xG to support arguments. I won't use xG to say "oh look how good we were when were 10th in the league but had some high xG!!" because that's insane. Go back and look at the xG in many of the individual games we dropped points - it wasn't good! We stacked xG in big wins and then when games were close we struggled and our underlying numbers weren't particularly good at all. todd1882 todd1882 Has spoken about this as well and schooled BC on it. Our overall xG table is so irrelevant when we weren't picking up bloody points.

Almost none of the games we dropped points in pre-injuries were games where I felt we were particularly unlucky.
 
Deuterz said:
Now show the only thing that ever matters in football - POINTS.

Results, results,results. We weren't doing well results wise pre injuries and we're not doing well results wise post injuries.

You and BC can wank to xG tables and graphs all you want, points mean prizes, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.
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After our 4-0 win in GW 12 - points-wise - we were actually quite competitive.

in 6th, 3 points off 3rd -
 
Deuterz said:
Oh no, not Shady doing his fucking usual and thinking he's achieved some kind of gotcha by being a sadcase and trawling through posts ... only to find nothing which actual goes against what I said.

I'll use xG to support arguments. I won't use xG to say "oh look how good we were when were 10th in the league but had some high xG!!" because that's insane. Go back and look at the xG in many of the individual games we dropped points - it wasn't good! We stacked xG in big wins and then when games were close we struggled and our underlying numbers weren't particularly good at all. todd1882 todd1882 Has spoken about this as well and schooled BC on it. Our overall xG table is so irrelevant when we weren't picking up bloody points.

Almost none of the games we dropped points in pre-injuries were games where I felt we were particularly unlucky.
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Absolute waffle.
 
dudu said:
After our 4-0 win in GW 12 - points-wise - we were actually quite competitive.

in 6th, 3 points off 3rd -
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And had been terrible. Already lost to Ipswich, Palace, Newcastle, Brighton and Woolwich. Already drew to Leicester.

The fact some other teams also had a slow start means nothing. We weren't doing well, we were not consistent and the signs were all already there that the team had major issues. Most of the forum were not happy with how we were performing on a regular basis.

How many points off mid-table were we? I bet it was 3 as well.
 
Shadydan said:
Absolute waffle.
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Nope, absolute facts. You want to use an overall xG table as if it represents us accurately in all our games, when really it represents us stacking xG in a handful of games while we struggled badly in many other games and rightfully dropped points.

Results based business, no manager ever survived because of an xG table and nor will the fraud. His clock is running down. Potter once had a positive xG table as well, guess what happened to him? JOBLESS. Which is exactly where the fraud will be by the summer at the latest.

That day will be the happiest I've been as a fan in years.
 
It was quite a good indicator I thought the other night of how much use XG is on its own, when on Monday night football they showed that Forest are 15th in the table for XG. Yet in the main table, they’re second.

XG can be useful in certain aspects, but you can’t just say a team is good or bad on XG alone.
 
Deuterz said:
And had been terrible. Already lost to Ipswich, Palace, Newcastle, Brighton and Woolwich. Already drew to Leicester.

The fact some other teams also had a slow start means nothing. We weren't doing well, we were not consistent and the signs were all already there that the team had major issues. Most of the forum were not happy with how we were performing on a regular basis.

How many points off mid-table were we? I bet it was 3 as well.
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You're being a naughty boy here again mate -

You literally said the only stat that matters is POINTS.

Despite all the things you have said, we were still 3 points off 3rd in a league with the lowest average PPGs for the top 6 in premier league history. Only 1 team had more than 2PPG.

Now you are bringing other things into the equation here when I'm using the only data that you said matters to show a correlation to data that you dismissed.

After GW 12, with injuries at the back, our POINTS accumulation dipped massively. Before that, our points accumulation was competitive - these are the facts.
 
dudu said:
You're being a naughty boy here again mate -

You literally said the only stat that matters is POINTS.

Despite all the things you have said, we were still 3 points off 3rd in a league with the lowest average PPGs for the top 6 in premier league history. Only 1 team had more than 2PPG.

Now you are bringing other things into the equation here when I'm using the only data that you said matters to show a correlation to data that you dismissed.

After GW 12, with injuries at the back, our POINTS accumulation dipped massively. Before that, our points accumulation was competitive - these are the facts.
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He's gonna twist the argument again though like he always does.

Then he'll post up an xg chart in our next match if we lose on xg

He's a funny guy I'll give him that :sonpoint:
 
dudu said:
You're being a naughty boy here again mate -

You literally said the only stat that matters is POINTS.

Despite all the things you have said, we were still 3 points off 3rd in a league with the lowest average PPGs for the top 6 in premier league history. Only 1 team had more than 2PPG.

Now you are bringing other things into the equation here when I'm using the only data that you said matters to show a correlation to data that you dismissed.

After GW 12, with injuries at the back, our POINTS accumulation dipped massively. Before that, our points accumulation was competitive - these are the facts.
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THESE are the facts

6th is not good.

Our points tally at that point was not impressive.

We already had numerous bad losses and a hard fixture list coming up which I do not believe we would have been successful in regardless of injuries.

You can pretend we were doing well, we weren't. Nobody on here thought we were other than the pathetic little apologist brigade who are still doing their machiavellian work on here daily in order to obfuscate and protect the board and the manager, because being professional contrarians is their life.

Now, champ, how about we extend the points argument to the end of last season as well, hmm? When we had our players back but lost the majority of the games at the end of the season? Yes I think I'll do that. Over that extended period, where would we be in a table I wonder?

We'd been in inconsistent, collapsing form under Impostercoglu for a very, very long time prior to injuries.
 
End of may last season:

Played 5, won 2, lost 3. The two wins vs relegated sides.

End of April last season:

Played 4, lost 2, won 1, drew 1.

Then continued that in to this season with a highly inconsistent start which had us on a patchy points tally headed in to a tough run - only a deluded fool would think that injuries or not we suddenly push on from there.

Our run of results/points tally has been terrible for ages, starting from the last couple of months from last season where we couldn't buy consistent wins, going in to the start of this season. Then as soon as things get a little tough injuries/fitness wise, we fall apart completely.

Bad management - no matter what doo-doo says.
 
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