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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
PatagoniaPhil said:

View: https://x.com/TheSpursWatch/status/1880229291050381615

Out of all the horses Levy could have backed, this is not the time to back the manager. Conte, Mourinho, AVB, Poch were all undermined by levy. Yet he chooses to make a stand with Ange? Feck me
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Did you willfully chose to miss out the part where its explained that some of our shithouse senior pro's aren't putting 100% in and waiting for the manager to be sacked.

Time to break that cycle. We have to ask why these players do this every time. They did this under Conte as well.

You can criticise Ange but you need to acknowledge the players involvement.
 
John Thomas said:
Nah. Not really.
Go's the other way too. Dumped Ramos for Redknapp. Dumped Conte for Postenobody.
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No, he was forced to hire Redknapp when his fancy European tactician experiment failed. And then dumped Redknapp at the FIRST sign of trouble because a new flashy Euro manager was available (AVB).

Just as he was forced to hire Jol when the Santini experiment failed.

Just as he was forced to turn to Sherwood when AVB failed.

Just as he was forced to turn to Mason when Mourinho and Conte failed.

Levy hates the vibes based managers but he constantly has to rely on them to get him out of trouble of his own making.
 
Steed_Train said:
That's a squad it's not competition.

There is a well established hierarchy of who plays where and rotation is generally out of necessity rather than tactical
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It's not competition?

Why is Bergvall now playing instead of Maddison as an 8? and Biss and Bentanur as a 6?

Gray will find himself in this team going forward and I expect that he'll find himself being picked as a 6 over our two DMF's

And since Spence is in the team I'm pretty sure we would have seen more of him on the right had it not been for Destiny's injury, would have seen far less of Werner as well if Moore and Odobert been fit.
 
PatagoniaPhil said:

View: https://x.com/TheSpursWatch/status/1880229291050381615

Out of all the horses Levy could have backed, this is not the time to back the manager. Conte, Mourinho, AVB, Poch were all undermined by levy. Yet he chooses to make a stand with Ange? Feck me
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I suspect Levy is just saying all this to help the club not look like a train wreck and get the media piling on more than they are already.

Still results are results though and you can only hide the ugly truth for so long.

More public relations bullshit.
 
bk_spur said:
If Ange is really in an 'injury crisis' of incredible proportions, why doesn't he temporarily adjust his system to we can keep winning more points while we wait for the higher up cabs on his rank to return to fitness?

I guess it's better to just drive the car off the cliff instead, right? Pedal to the metal, middle finger to Satan type shit?
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In the post you quoted I said the exact answer to this question:

"he is stubborn and he will refuse to adjust when the perfect storm does arrive to expose his system. I do understand the growing number of voices who wanted him to change his philosophy because of the storm he's in. They want results regardless of the trouble we have with injuries or fatigue or whatever. I understand their takes. But... I also respect Ange even more for sticking to his guns and saying if we change our beliefs now, where does it end? Then you just end up going from compromise to compromise and you have no idea who you are anymore."

As best I'm able, I wrote it in English so I'm a bit confused as to why you would quote the post and ask me the question anyway.

Ange believes that building an Identity requires steadfast belief in principles and he is stubbornly willing to sacrifice in the short term if it means maintaining his philosophies. I understand why you don't like it. I personally respect it and IMO it is the type of mentality that the vast majority of Sport's winners have shared. That doesn't mean Ange is those people, but it is something they have in common. Also, btw, Conte was equally stubborn with his principles when he was here.
 
White Van Jan said:
THATS WHY ANY SORT OF WIN IS JUST POSTPONING THE INEVITABLE AND PREVENTS US GETTING ANYTHING OUT OF THIS SEASON

I’ve never wanted a manger to get the sack before, even though when it happened it was just fucking obvious - like Gross or Ramos - but this guy is a complete buffoon and will take us down into the relegation zone if he’s given the chance
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I can't disagree with that. We are 7 points above the teams sitting just above the drop. WIth big time 'relegation 6 pointers' at stake for them- versus us.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Did you willfully chose to miss out the part where its explained that some of our shithouse senior pro's aren't putting 100% in and waiting for the manager to be sacked.

Time to break that cycle. We have to ask why these players do this every time. They did this under Conte as well.

You can criticise Ange but you need to acknowledge the players involvement.
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If I was a player I’d look at the amount of injuries and think you know what? You don’t give a shit about my career. You can just fuck the fuck off. And then fuck off some more.
 
Richard Arlison said:
In the post you quoted I said the exact answer to this question:

"he is stubborn and he will refuse to adjust when the perfect storm does arrive to expose his system. I do understand the growing number of voices who wanted him to change his philosophy because of the storm he's in. They want results regardless of the trouble we have with injuries or fatigue or whatever. I understand their takes. But... I also respect Ange even more for sticking to his guns and saying if we change our beliefs now, where does it end? Then you just end up going from compromise to compromise and you have no idea who you are anymore."

As best I'm able, I wrote it in English so I'm a bit confused as to why you would quote the post and ask me the question anyway.
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Yea the point was to put you on the spot as I feel its an extremely foolish take.

Richard Arlison said:
Ange believes that building an Identity requires steadfast belief in principles and he is stubbornly willing to sacrifice in the short term if it means maintaining his philosophies. I understand why you don't like it. I personally respect it and IMO it is the type of mentality that the vast majority of Sport's winners have shared. That doesn't mean Ange is those people, but it is something they have in common. Also, btw, Conte was equally stubborn with his principles when he was here.
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Steadfast zealousness always ends in ruin. I will recount historical examples dating back past antiquity should you like it.
 
bk_spur said:
Yea the point was to put you on the spot as I feel its an extremely foolish take.



Steadfast zealousness always ends in ruin. I will recount historical examples dating back past antiquity should you like it.
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I’ve had that fucking idiot on ignore and having seen what he’s just written it’ll always be the case for me
Fucking “principles”
Fucking “short term pain”

How about having as a principle more than one win a month?
 
Sir Archibald Crooks said:
Its incredible. Since mid April we have 9 league wins out of 28 games, 3 of those were against relegated Burnley and Sheff Utd and almost relegated Southampton. Everton at home another one. 16 defeats.
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Sunk cost fallacy- "we invested so much in Ange- we just need to hang on a little longer and everything will be mended."

We are in the Isaac Newton reputation destroying phase of the Ange-South-Seas-Bubble right now. Pretty funny actually when you consider Ange is Australian- he really is our South-Seas-Bubble.
 
White Van Jan said:
If I was a player I’d look at the amount of injuries and think you know what? You don’t give a shit about my career. You can just fuck the fuck off. And then fuck off some more.
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Spot on.

I don't see how any player in this squad could look at the way he's treated

- Udogie (serious injury and operation just before the season, but forced to play every minute despite a perfectly able substitute in Djed Spence on the bench, but was exiled to Siberia for no apparent reason. Reguilon also available, useful part of United and Brentford's squads last year). But no, Udogie plays every minute despite clearly not being fit, and his performances suffer. And now another serious injury. Career posssibly threatened.

- VDV. Three hamstrings in a season. Possibly already Sessegnon'd. Could have been an all-timer centre back, but now possibly sacrificed his career on the altar of mate-ball.

- Romero, Werner, Davies - all hamstrings.

- known for hamstring injuries at Celtic too.

- same injury crisis last year.

- Romero and VDV rushed back early to save Ange's arse in the Chelsea game only for both to be injured.

Why would anyone sacrifice their career for this man who clearly cares not one iota for the health of his players?
 
White Van Jan said:
I’ve had that fucking idiot on ignore and having seen what he’s just written it’ll always be the case for me
Fucking “principles”
Fucking “short term pain”
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Yea I think ignore is just a cowardly way to go through life. I admit I've been mean to other posters in the past. I would personally like to be better than that going forward. I don't personally dislike Richard Arlison, who I am sure is a nice person in real life, but I'm not going to hide from the issue and play intellectually nice about something I feel strongly about.
White Van Jan said:
How about having as a principle more than one win a month?
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Sounds genuinely ambitious 😎
 
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White Van Jan said:
If I was a player I’d look at the amount of injuries and think you know what? You don’t give a shit about my career. You can just fuck the fuck off. And then fuck off some more.
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Oh come on...

The manager doesn't set out to injure the players. That's just silly.

He would have had the green light from Romero, VDV and the medical team when he played them both and they broke down again.

You're not going to force a player to play injured if they don't want to.

Ange has done plently wrong but lets not start making shit up about him not caring about injuring players.
 
bk_spur said:
Yea the point was to put you on the spot as I feel its an extremely foolish take.



Steadfast zealousness always ends in ruin. I will recount historical examples dating back past antiquity should you like it.
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Any that are about Sport and specifically coaching?

I'm not so fussed with your knowledge of Roman history and Marcus Aurelius... although tbh he was similarly stoic when it came to his philosophy.
 
Klaus said:
Spot on.

I don't see how any player in this squad could look at the way he's treated

- Udogie (serious injury and operation just before the season, but forced to play every minute despite a perfectly able substitute in Djed Spence on the bench, but was exiled to Siberia for no apparent reason. Reguilon also available, useful part of United and Brentford's squads last year). But no, Udogie plays every minute despite clearly not being fit, and his performances suffer. And now another serious injury. Career posssibly threatened.

- VDV. Three hamstrings in a season. Possibly already Sessegnon'd. Could have been an all-timer centre back, but now possibly sacrificed his career on the altar of mate-ball.

- Romero, Werner, Davies - all hamstrings.

- known for hamstring injuries at Celtic too.

- same injury crisis last year.

- Romero and VDV rushed back early to save Ange's arse in the Chelsea game only for both to be injured.

Why would anyone sacrifice their career for this man who clearly cares not one iota for the health of his players?
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Agree. Ruining VdV's potentially amazing career would be a horrific legacy.

We were promised some magical offensive ball, but the sad reality is Ange for whatever reason could not, or would not, use the squad he was given to execute his strategy in a responsible manner for the club. That is unmistakably poor management.
 
Distaste for scouse said:
Oh come on...

The manager doesn't set out to injure the players. That's just silly.

He would have had the green light from Romero, VDV and the medical team when he played them both and they broke down again.

You're not going to force a player to play injured if they don't want to.

Ange has done plently wrong but lets not start making shit up about him not caring about injuring players.
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The manager may not set out to injure the players, but in his ignorance he may injure the players without intending to.
Similarly I may not intend to drive my car into a tree, but it's possible I somehow do it anyways.

Take a look at how Ange maintains his own body. Do you really think he is some kind of next level sports medicine and fitness specialist?
 
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