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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
White Van Jan said:
It's not our job to be experts in that field, and we arent paid MILLIONS a year to keep tabs on every player and manager that is on the radar.

But OK

Benitez: not great fit in terms of style, but we've gone past the "nice to have" options. Things are now critical. Someone to make us hard to beat because right now Palace/Everton/Ipswich can beat us, and that makes us relegation candidates.

Potter - missed that one, he's been available for months. Him to the end of the season? I'd have bitten your hand off. Took a terrible Brighton team progressively upwards until they were playing top 4 form stuff.

Redknapp - would take us away from the danger zone, absolutely guaranteed

Thats off the top of my head without looking at any lists of availables. Clearly we're not going to get HR, because Levy can't stand what he sees as a wide boy spiv. But he'd do way better than this fraud

There are loads of coaches out there. Loads. We're a big club. Loads would say yes to the chance of impressing and getting the gig permanently.

At what point does it get SO critical for you that you to pull the trigger?

Shouldve been Palace. Then FFC. Then B'mouth. Then Liverpool. Then Wolves. Then Everton.

If we don't beat Leicester on Sunday? Is that bad enough for you?

Even Big Sam will be better than this. OK, not easy on the eye but we've gone past all that shit. Style is a luxury we can't afford. We need results and we need a defence. NOW.
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Potter and Benitez would not agree to caretaker roles for 4 months just to steer us out of relegation. That's a bizzare take.

The right options are Iraola, Frank or maybe Silva/McKenna. I think we all agree that they are the best candidates and none of them are realistic candidates until the Summer. So in the meantime it's very hard to convince a top manager to take us over for 4 months.

Big Sam is the only name you mentioned thats a realistic shout but come on man! Are you trying to turn us into a complete laughing stock? The circus is bad enough as it is but imagine the banter if we turn to big Sam to literally get us out of relegation - something we are over 100/1 for!!
 
Matt1882 said:
I just went back to page 600 which was around the 1-4 Chelsea game


Amazing how few alarm bells were ringing
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Some were ringing alarm bells. Others were busying claiming it was glorious to throw everyone forward when down to nine men. As if football is about a show of blind, stupid bravery and not more of an intricate chess game at the highest levels.
 
Don Pedro said:
Potter and Benitez would not agree to caretaker roles for 4 months just to steer us out of relegation. That's a bizzare take.

The right options are Iraola, Frank or maybe Silva/McKenna. I think we all agree that they are the best candidates and none of them are realistic candidates until the Summer. So in the meantime it's very hard to convince a top manager to take us over for 4 months.

Big Sam is the only name you mentioned thats a realistic shout but come on man! Are you trying to turn us into a complete laughing stock? The circus is bad enough as it is but imagine the banter if we turn to big Sam to literally get us out of relegation - something we are over 100/1 for!!
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You're missing the point.

It can't be big Sam because the miser would never be able to sell tickets to tourists.

The football is not important.

The tickets, merch, food and drink sales are what give baldy a semi on.
 
Deuterz said:
Why would that matter in the context of being FIFTEENTH ???? I don't have to personally be happy with Bissouma to know he would be starting for a majority of sides in this league. So would Dragusin who I also don't rate. Even someone like Brennan Johnson, one of the most criticised players in the team, was considered the 'key' player for a team in our area of the table.

The question isn't whether the squad is good enough (it isn't) but instead is whether its good enough to not be where we are, which it very obviously is. I accept the context of injuries and it is a legitimate reason to underperform, just nowhere near to this extent. Having injuries doesn't justify the worst form in the entire league.

I don't rate a lot of players in this team (and do rate quite a few!!!) but fully believe they are being massively set up to fail by this coach. He can't cope with adversity and is tactically inept. A lot of them are being asked to do things they simply cannot do, and our defensive structure/coaching is non-existent.

When you are making Calvert-Lewin look like prime Henry because a Moyes led Everton can simply launch one long ball and there is a chasm where your backline should be, it isn't down to individual talent. Its down to shit coaching and fucking stubbornness.
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But we were 7th after 10 games. Not 15th. Over last 10 games we are 18th. Do you understand that?
It’s like the people who sat the first 10 games of Ange weren’t an outlier. They were.

These last 10 games are an outlier.

Until we had this huge change to the spine of our defensive unit we were doing ok.

It’s pretty clear that having a below par GK, 18 year old CB who’s not actually a CB and an inexperienced CB alongside your novice is a recipe for disaster. But for years I’ve said on this forum having young inexperienced CBs isn’t wise in this league. You will get found out. Prefer it wasn’t this situation to be proven right.

You’re spot on. Calvert Lewin v Gray is a man against a boy. It showed.

If people can’t correlate the players (from this squad) with the results that’s up to them.
 
Don Pedro said:
Potter and Benitez would not agree to caretaker roles for 4 months just to steer us out of relegation. That's a bizzare take.

The right options are Iraola, Frank or maybe Silva/McKenna. I think we all agree that they are the best candidates and none of them are realistic candidates until the Summer. So in the meantime it's very hard to convince a top manager to take us over for 4 months.

Big Sam is the only name you mentioned thats a realistic shout but come on man! Are you trying to turn us into a complete laughing stock? The circus is bad enough as it is but imagine the banter if we turn to big Sam to literally get us out of relegation - something we are over 100/1 for!!
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I’d much rather have Dyche to Ange
 
Don Pedro said:
Potter and Benitez would not agree to caretaker roles for 4 months just to steer us out of relegation.
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And you know this how?

Benitez did an emergency role at Chavs. Even won some tin.

Potter? If the deal was right - ie hit some key metrics and you get the gig full time.

This could be the biggest - or realistic - job in the PL for some time. LFC, MUFC, CFC, AFC - all either new managers or seemingly safe. MCFC? When Pep goes the short lost will be bods with a track record in the CL surely.

Don Pedro said:
Are you trying to turn us into a complete laughing stock?
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We are already. Banter FC.
Don Pedro said:
The right options are Iraola, Frank or maybe Silva/McKenna.
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Red Herring. You were talking caretakers. Yeah we know these guys but chances are none of them will come in during the season. In the Summer I'd add Rodgers to that (as long as he spent all his life on the training pitch and was nowhere near the chequebook).
Don Pedro said:
something we are over 100/1 for!!
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Yeah because everyone's factoring in that Levy will sack Ange with 10-12 games to go.

What are the odds would you say if Ange was GUARANTEED to last the season? 5:1?
 
Richard Arlison said:
Fully agree on the last point and we were definitely expecting more like that from Ange. I think he’s been deterred a bit by all the extra time that gets played at the end of games due to non-stop time-wasting in this league.

Per your first point, I think we have seen domination over games in the PL when teams have admitted that they couldn’t do anything to keep the ball. We definitely can’t do it right now with the injuries but with a relatively fresh squad, there’s probably 3 - 4 teams in the PL where we weren’t expecting 60%+ possession and huge territory advantages.
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Even at our absolute best against the very weakest PL opponents, playing Angeball is going to generate threatening counterattacks at a level and speed that most of the SPL can't against the Old Firm.

From an xG, expectation of winning perspective that's not a big deal necessarily, we have much better defenders than Celtic does and can handle those situations without allowing big chances, in theory.

But from the perspective of "how much max-effort sprinting do the CB's need to do over 90 minutes?", the difference between Southampton and Ross County is pretty meaningful. Over the course of a season it becomes a much different physical ask of the players.

To be clear, I am NOT saying "Angeball caused our injury crisis, and always will". It's possible there's nothing there and this is all a pure matter of bad luck (or bad sports science). But I don't think "Angeball creates more risk of soft tissue injury at the margin" can be rejected out of hand, as some seem eager to do.
 
Shadydan said:
I knew you wouldn't like what he said, not to worry 😂
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well it's apparent we're stuck with ange until the end of the season so no point in arguing with you few dead enders anymore. you guys are more obsessed with knocking back arguments than anything happening on the pitch so back to ignore you go. honestly anyone still thinking ange is the answer just isn't a serious person really.

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Harry Vaginola said:
well it's apparent we're stuck with ange until the end of the season so no point in arguing with you few dead enders anymore. you guys are more obsessed with knocking back arguments than anything happening on the pitch so back to ignore you go. honestly anyone still thinking ange is the answer just isn't a serious person really.

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Yeah I hear you bro 👍🏾
 
WillWilliams said:
But we were 7th after 10 games. Not 15th. Over last 10 games we are 18th. Do you understand that?
It’s like the people who sat the first 10 games of Ange weren’t an outlier. They were.

These last 10 games are an outlier.

Until we had this huge change to the spine of our defensive unit we were doing ok.

It’s pretty clear that having a below par GK, 18 year old CB who’s not actually a CB and an inexperienced CB alongside your novice is a recipe for disaster. But for years I’ve said on this forum having young inexperienced CBs isn’t wise in this league. You will get found out. Prefer it wasn’t this situation to be proven right.

You’re spot on. Calvert Lewin v Gray is a man against a boy. It showed.

If people can’t correlate the players (from this squad) with the results that’s up to them.
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Yes, I understand that the manager has had a high amount of injuries and as a manager has not coped with that to any reasonable level of competency. The players he has left are not the 18th best set of players in the league, he just hasn't done management stuff.

We weren't doing ok. Go back and look at our form the second half of last season + the start this season. It was pitifully poor. For about a year and a half Ange's PPG has been dismal, the worst of any Spurs coach ever. We were mediocre pre injuries and diabolical post injuries.

We signed a keeper people rate and who actually saved us repeatedly against Everton and were still 3-0 down. We didn't have to play Gray, we had Davies/Dragusin available, two men. And the "boy" himself started all of last season for a top championship side, against men. He was excellent.

Ange is failing. Of course injuries = context. Of course the squad isn't equipped well enough. And of course the coach is not dealing with the crisis acceptably. He is paid to manage, which means making adjustments. What did Klopp do when Liverpool had a crap keeper and zero fit first team centre backs? They ground out points on the way to 4th. They didn't fall apart and finish 15th. This is the gap between a manager and a cheerleader.
 
I think if someone today still thinks he's a competent premier league manager, then they always will.
I don't think anything is going to change their mind if they're still entrenched in that belief now.

It's probably best for everyone's sanity to stop arguing about it.
 
FightingIllini said:
Even at our absolute best against the very weakest PL opponents, playing Angeball is going to generate threatening counterattacks at a level and speed that most of the SPL can't against the Old Firm.

From an xG, expectation of winning perspective that's not a big deal necessarily, we have much better defenders than Celtic does and can handle those situations without allowing big chances, in theory.

But from the perspective of "how much max-effort sprinting do the CB's need to do over 90 minutes?", the difference between Southampton and Ross County is pretty meaningful. Over the course of a season it becomes a much different physical ask of the players.

To be clear, I am NOT saying "Angeball caused our injury crisis, and always will". It's possible there's nothing there and this is all a pure matter of bad luck (or bad sports science). But I don't think "Angeball creates more risk of soft tissue injury at the margin" can be rejected out of hand, as some seem eager to do.
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We weren’t really conceding counter attacks to start the season when our defenders were fit
 
Richard Arlison said:
We weren’t really conceding counter attacks to start the season when our defenders were fit
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That's not true at all, we were just much, much better at snuffing them out when Micky Van De Ven could make a 50 yard recovery run and dispossess the opponent's fastest and most threatening attacker. He did that all the time, gloriously so, making those little break-outs futile and non-threatening.

And again, the comparison point is SPL sides playing tactics against the Old Firm that make Sean Dyche look like Johan Cruyff.

The physical ask is just different.
 
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