Do you not think that was more down to the bin dippers having an off day than our guys playing like prime 80s Brazil
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Manager Ange Postecoglou
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To be fair it took me long enough to realise that Ange was just a load of hot air and very little substance. I was arguing after the Man City game that no other team does that to City. I was not singing his praises either I just did not care whether he was there or not. I thought we had to give him the season.
Then I went to the Chelsea game this year and it was the excuses after the game that got me.
Apologising publicly for Levy by stating how hard they were working to bring in players but the selling clubs were exploiting Spurs by adding a premium really pissed me off.
Levy has low balled every selling club he has ever bought from and held every buying club to ransom.
he snuffed out some but that’s not a system issue, that’s successful recruitment buying the right profile for the needs.
c'mon trolly dange you can do better than that! ange would expect more effort. do you want to let ange down??
Bro you're never going to get me to change me mind, I'm never going to get you to change yours, just allow it lol
This thread is too funny man
How do you explain 4-0 away at City, 4 goal wins against Villa and Newcastle and even 2 wins against Liverpool at home in 2 years.
Saying it only works against the very weakest teams in the PL isn't even close to true. If anything it's the hard working , middle of the road teams like Fulham, Bournemouth and last year Wolves that it ahs struggled with so far.
I think Ange was pretty up front about soft tissue injuries in season 1 as a result of adaptation. As that Sports Scientist said, the same injuries in season 2 are the anomaly from everywhere he's been. That seems to be from the load on muscles in players that can't be rotated.
Tbh our CBs don't really have to do more sprints than average per the data. There are plenty of teams that play a high line and try to push up.
I think you can say that Ange ball without proper rotation leads to soft tissue overload for sure but you could say that for City's system, Liverpool's system, Woolwich's system, Bournemouth's system, Brighton's system, even Villa with Emery's famous high-line.
Absolutely. That was though, literally, the only time we beat 11 men in good form.
you aren't trying to change minds or engage in debate. you're just trying to get a rise out of people on a subject they care about. you're simply a troll.Bro you're never going to get me to change me mind, I'm never going to get you to change yours, just allow it lol
This thread is too funny man
you aren't trying to change minds or engage in debate. you're just trying to get a rise out of people on a subject they care about. you're simply a troll.
If there was a logical argument which was strong enough id definitely consider it. So far this thread is like the ENIC thread, full of conjecture and falsehoods because of pure emotional waffle, it's cool though.
And once again you folk need to explain to me how I can be a troll in a thread which is entirely neutral, this isn't the I hate Ange Postecoglu thread, it's a thread about our manager with good and bad merits.
So as I said we ain't going to agree and that's fine, I'm not here to change your mind dude, so I wouldn't expect you to change mine, no harm.
To be clear, I am very much an Ange supporter and I like and believe in his tactics and philosophy in a vacuum. I want this to work and still believe it can and should.
I just don't think "it asks too much of the players physically to fight on four fronts in England, which is a different ask of the human body than anywhere Ange has been previously" can be rejected out of hand as superstitious internet nonsense. There's evidence to take seriously there.
I believe in Ange and want to stick it out with him. But if compelling evidence exists that it just can't work, you just have to move on.
It's all pointless on some level because of the Daniel Levy handbrake which will hamper us at every turn for as long as he owns the club, but you still want to maximize your opportunities to nick a bit of success where we can.
The evidence is so overwhelming at this point that anyone who still "believes" in Ange (is he a fucking deity?) is deliberately ignoring it.
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I’ve been saying it for weeks and weeks, but it still bears repeating.
It is demonstrative that even the Ange In crowd cannot make any affirmative arguments for him.
There are no positive arguments for Ange. There are only arguments against sacking him that have nothing to do with him, such as the idea that we’ve sacked too many managers, or that there’s no one better out there at this moment.
There are zero arguments in Angie’s favor on his strengths, on his accomplishments, on his results, on anything about him personally.
There are only arguments that our club has been managed so terribly in the recent past that we should settle for this.
Ok fair enough.
What are the differences between City and Ange ball being able to work in 4 competitions or resulting in mass injuries?
The same question for Klopps heavy metal football?
What are the adjustments Ange or the club needs to make?
Those are serious questions I don’t have the answers to
This is the 15th time you've made that argument and it misses out a boat load of context because of an injury crisis, you know this.
Arguments need to be logical and nuanced, not twisted and biased.
We should definitely fuck ourselves in our own arse and get ourselves relegated because we *may* have sacked some previous managers too soon.
The logic of these people.
Control and movement.
Pep ball is all about control suffocating the opposition. Also Pep doesn’t rely as much on pressing to create his high value chances. On top of that they have about £2billion worth of spending.
At this rate Angelos will soon be in the Guinness book of records for being the only EPL head-coach to have managed to get a whole squad of players injured in 1 season 
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I mean, Ange is accomplished elsewhere and is a better communicator and altogether more charming bloke than many of his predecessors. That doesn't make up for not winning, but it's hyperbole to just reject that those things exist.
But my belief in Angeball is pretty simple. I think teams habitually struggle with periods where they are not on the front foot in football matches, especially with the lead. It is really difficult to coach a team not to drift through games and lose the initiative, and that has been a perpetual problem at Spurs.
Under Ange we are always pressuring to score the next goal in all situations at all times, it's drilled so relentlessly into the players that they stay automatically on that setting. I do think that's fairly unique to him, even among other managers with an aggressive approach.
I think that's a good idea, it makes sense to me. And we have, at times, reaped rewards from it.
There are obvious downsides to this approach, and we've suffered from those as well. It may be that the negatives outweigh the positives over time, but I am inclined toward patience and support in giving this philosophy a go.
Why are people even arguing with
Shadydan
and
Richard Arlison
??
They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester (
Richard Arlison
even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).
Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.
Shadydan
and
Richard Arlison
??They said before the Everton game that they both believe Ange should go if we don't pick up 6 points against Everton and Leicester (
Richard Arlison
even said we need to be winning both games comfortably as well).Well we have since lost to Everton in a game we were 3-0 down at HT. They've made their position clear now so no point going back and forth.