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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
There's no way you can convince me over £400m spent in the best part of 4 windows doesn't represent backing this manager. He has had better backing than any manager we've had in the past 25 years I've been a conscious Spurs supporter and he's absolutely fucked it with a complete obliviousness to tactical awareness, inability to rotate to avoid injury crises, failure to acknowledge squad members who can clearly contribute (Spence, Reguillon) until forced into the scenario, the fact people are giving him leeway for the injury crisis that HIS FUCKING TACTICS CAUSED, is laughable to me, we have a carbon copy of the injury crisis we suffered this time last year all the way down to 75% of the injuries being hamstring tears or otherwise muscular injuries and somehow that's supposed to be a mitigating factor for this Aussie fraud? HIS FUCKING TACTICS ARE CAUSING THE INJURY CRISIS. WHY DOES HE DESERVE LEEWAY FOR A PROBLEM HE IS DIRECTLY CONTRIBUTING TO? Make this fucking shit make sense. We are 15th, about to be 16th and losing 6 pointers at home to fellow relegation sides. Never mind a cat, Ange appears to be an Egyptian God such is the state of his infallibility in the face of utter disappointment. There's no chance you can convince me Mason would do a worse job than this, he was a premier league midfielder in his day and no matter how much worse he has been than the predecessor he has taken over from I can't ever remember bending over at home to the absolute worst teams in the league to give them points.
Very valid points.

A couple of paragraphs wouldn't go amiss though.
 
So for 2-3 months he's been crying about injuries. During this time, he never managed to get a tactic to deal with what he has available. If (his fans claim) when he changes something it is not working. Why is this guy still manager?
Thing is for the past two mo the his had most of our midfield and forwards fit yet still been shite. Only recently have we lost Solanke , Johnson and Werner. The later two were hopeless v Tamworth.
 
For me, the game that made me realise Ange wasn't up to the job was Newcastle away last season. He admitted to not watching our previous games against Newcastle as it was "irrelevant" and then proceeded to lose by playing tactics perfectly suited to how they'd want us to play.

He's got zero tactical nous, and arrogant to go with it.
His said lots of dumb as things like v Brighton that he didn’t make subs bcos he didn’t think we deserved to win. I mean he literally cost us 3 points by not doing anything bcos of his own egotistical beliefs.
 
For me, the game that made me realise Ange wasn't up to the job was Newcastle away last season. He admitted to not watching our previous games against Newcastle as it was "irrelevant" and then proceeded to lose by playing tactics perfectly suited to how they'd want us to play.

He's got zero tactical nous, and arrogant to go with it.
To be blunt I think he's a bit thick.
 
In the unlikely event that we win anything, it will be in spite of Ange rather than because of anything he's done. The players seem to be playing for each other out of solidarity rather than anything else.

We looked hapless out there against one of the worst teams in the division, and the subs were baffling yet again. Part of that boils down to a depleted, fucked set of players, but fundamentally we look completely disorganised and that's on Ange. He doesn't set us up to manage and control games.
 
someone who has a full set of badges and has been coaching at a Premier League club for almost 7 years after playing professional football in and around the Premier League for 10 years

played glorified pub league playing in the ASL and never held a meaningful coaching post
To Americanize this, you are making a comparison between a RB coach at an SEC powerhouse who everyone knows is just there to recruit players and has never shown any path upward to a coordinator or a head coaching job versus a decorated champion at D2 or D3 who has never been at a big time school.

The D2 guy may be utterly and transparently out of his depth when given a major job, and sure, maybe that's Ange. But that guy is a real coach and the recruiting ace isn't, and would do much worse still in a head job without enormous support.

If anybody thought Mason were a real coach he'd be in League One by now.

It's possible Ange could relegate us, but I doubt it, he's never shown anything close to that with anything close to a full team. Mason really could though.
 
Pretty clear Ange is to football what Sir Les Patterson is to culture . I was big Ange in for a very long time, turns out I was

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In fact if Barry Humphries wasn’t dead I would think Ange was one of his characters now
 
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I would buy the fucking plane ticket to send him back to Oz if it meant we'd buy some quality forwards who score goals.
We're the 2nd highest scorers in the league. The commentary last night was priceless, they genuinely couldn't understand how the 2nd highest scorers in the league are 15th!
What we need is a system of play....I actually believe that we have a team that can challenge for major honours. If they are actually managed. Solanke doesn't fit Ange's way of playing....but bring in someone who can actually manage a game and we'd see huge improvement.
 
He can sack whoever he wants but the major fucking problem RIGHT NOW is that we are playing a second string team every 3 fucking days.

The first order of business is to replace all the goals we've lost after Solanke and BJ got crocked. The single most important thing in a relegation fight is GOALS. All our goal scorers are currently injured. Levy needs to focus the fuck on that right fucking now.
You can score as many goals as you like but if you concede even more, you're still going to be in a relegation battle. We scored so much that we still have a positive goal difference. So goals clearly isn't what we're lacking. We're lacking smarts. Ange doesn't have it. We're conceding stupid goals and he's unable to adapt. We need a manager who can create a system that is working at this level.
 
Look at Leicester's line up from the game and say how many of those players would make it into our squad.
They're playing guys like Winks. They have a brand new manager. They lost 7 games in a row.

Ange is so fucking dumb that he never learns anything. Never adapt. No survival skills. And every time he fucks up, it's because some players happened to be injured.

And when most players are fit, there is always another excuse.

Even if we go up by one or two goals, we're still unable to see the game out because we keep playing the same way no matter the score.

Funny thing is that Ange is apparently not even present at the trainings. What does he actually bring other than a shitty system?
 
We're the 2nd highest scorers in the league. The commentary last night was priceless, they genuinely couldn't understand how the 2nd highest scorers in the league are 15th!
What we need is a system of play....I actually believe that we have a team that can challenge for major honours. If they are actually managed. Solanke doesn't fit Ange's way of playing....but bring in someone who can actually manage a game and we'd see huge improvement.
50% more thought put into our defense and we wouldn't be in this position , you can't simply ignore the basics of football , well you can as we are finding out but our situation is the result .
This has always been in Ange's hands , just a bit of pragmatism would see a lot less criticism toward him .
Sometimes you just have to tell yourself to stop digging and put a bit back .
 
You have to wonder why Ange is so 'unlucky' with injuries. And even if it's down to just bad luck, why can't he adapt?

Bournemouth has a lot of injuries too yet they aren't struggling. But they should struggle more than us because they don't have as good a squad. The difference is their manager.

Put Ange in Bournemouth and they would struggle too. The AngeIn guys, who seem to support the manager more than the club, would be insisting that it was only due to injuries and bad luck.
 
To Americanize this, you are making a comparison between a RB coach at an SEC powerhouse who everyone knows is just there to recruit players and has never shown any path upward to a coordinator or a head coaching job versus a decorated champion at D2 or D3 who has never been at a big time school.

The D2 guy may be utterly and transparently out of his depth when given a major job, and sure, maybe that's Ange. But that guy is a real coach and the recruiting ace isn't, and would do much worse still in a head job without enormous support.

If anybody thought Mason were a real coach he'd be in League One by now.

It's possible Ange could relegate us, but I doubt it, he's never shown anything close to that with anything close to a full team. Mason really could though.
That was a forced and butchered analogy.

If you want to make an analogy to American football, Mason's profile isn't that far off from Dan Campbell. Journeyman player in the best league for a decade. Afterwards he worked as a coach and assistant head coach for many years, which included a stint as interim head coach.

Ange has more of a profile of Marc Trestman (but not even that much applicable experience to be fair), a coach who was hired based primarily on experience in an inferior league who was promoted way beyond his station and is failing as many expected him to.
 
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I think Mason actually has the ability to organise a defence. After working under Mourinho, Nuno and Conte he should, if he's not stupid, which I think he isn't. So the combination of the last 5 coaches he's been working with (ok maybe 4, but at least he played under Pochettino) should have given him enough experience to be able to create more than a plan A.

Edit: didn't remember when I wrote this answer who Mason was supposed to be better than. Thought it was Ange, turns out it was Benitez. Ok, I just don't like Benitez.
 
I think Mason actually has the ability to organise a defence. After working under Mourinho, Nuno and Conte he should, if he's not stupid, which I think he isn't. So the combination of the last 5 coaches he's been working with (ok maybe 4, but at least he played under Pochettino) should have given him enough experience to be able to create more than a plan A.

Edit: didn't remember when I wrote this answer who Mason was supposed to be better than. Thought it was Ange, turns out it was Benitez. Ok, I just don't like Benitez.
It would be a nightmare if he takes over and in the first press conference he says “We attack without looking back. That’s how we play mate.”
 
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