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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
FightingIllini said:
The sweep of his career across radically different eras of football is astonishing and singular.

Brian Clough could well have beaten the Old Firm to the 1979-80 Scottish First Division title and Carlo Ancelotti could have outpaced City to the 2012-13 Premier League title, but no way in hell could either of them have accomplished both the way Fergie did.

Ancelotti being among the elite across three decades feels astonishing, Fergie did it across five.
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All three Cloughy, Fergie & Don Carlo pretty used the basic 4-4-2 albeit with some tweaks that focused more on player relationships than tactical flourishes the only thing about Don Carlo is that he was one of the only 'old school' managers in his latter years who really started to evolve past that type of coaching style. I believe he was the most adaptive of the three but his underlying philosophy has always been the same in keeping things simple.

Sometimes Fossil Football works :)


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I wonder if he has LOST the dressing room?
Given his proximity with the Dressing Room would he sense it?

His assistant coaches ... not many discussion/spot light on them
 
Shotgunofmichalebrow said:
The only glimmer is that I can sense a sea change. Less and less people buying into it's about getting people back. And all that childish but sincere " cup treble" talk almost totally absent. We are not winning the CC, EL, FA we will limp to about 10th, when other teams stop playing and there's no pressure on Romero Maddison Bissouma and Bentancur.

I pretty much said it first, and I'll repeat again. Daniel Levy told Spurs fans he was knocking down WHL so we could compete for the best players and trophies. He lied. He built the stadium so he was no longer forced to compete because the alternate revenue streams made base line investment in the team all that was required. He now only needs the mens team IN the premier league. Watch for renewed focus on the women's side winning which is achievable at a much lower investment level. This will be sold to the credulous as every bit as important to the club.

The appointment of vibes Ange, a man wedded to the intangible of "entertainment" is also significant in that it's now brand aligned. The antithesis of Antonio Conte. So we are not about the results it's about the style. Expectations lowered all round. "It's who we are mate" "We've got our Tottenham back".

Outside a sale of the club and new leadership focused on a coherent plan to win silverware, which would obviously mean the removal of Levy, Lange, Postecoglou, we will be stuck in this pattern. It won't get better and the backlash from those who brought in so heavily to 'Ange is building , jam tomorrow " 'Positivity' will be really nasty.
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Only just seen this. but WOW! what a fantastic forthright and bang-on-the-money post it is.

Take a fucking bow, my man.

Airfixx Airfixx , please join me in giving this post the plaudits it deserves

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erlee said:
I wonder if he has LOST the dressing room?
Given his proximity with the Dressing Room would he sense it?

His assistant coaches ... not many discussion/spot light on them
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lol - he doesn't HAVE a dressing room. They're all in rehab.

There isn't any mystery to why we are playing so shit - all our best players are injured. And we weren't flash before they were injured. :roflmao:
 
I genuinely think he's a nice guy but it's not working at all.

I think he'll be gone by the end of the season, or maybe never. Who knows with that shit for brains cunt Levy running things like a plugged tap.
 
CerealMaterial said:
The problem is those kids that you put part of the blame on are actually the only ones who are performing. You can't say that we put out 3rd string talent, the midfield and forwards are all 'senior' players
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Grey, Bergvall, Kinski, Moore are all developing players and honestly none are at yet at the standard they would walk into any PL starting side. Their opportunities for sustained regular football have come through injuries not merit. They have had some decent moment and some good games, but what player in the premier league hasn’t? That’s not criticism just an honest assessment of where they are at in terms of their development curve.

Additionally Sarr is just a plodder who can and never will reach elite levels of football. Bentancur is not cut out for the EPL and Bissouma appears to have talent but for whatever reason isn’t performing. The big issue for these three is they cannot operate in tight spaces and under high press, hence the constant turnovers.

So you have 3-4 developing players who are not yet EPL ready (at least in a top 4, let’s win trophies sense) , and a midfield trio who can’t handle pressure or high press. That is a big problem for a team and manager that wants to be possession dominant. But it doesn’t matter what tactics, formation, or style Ange’s played against Liverpool, they were always going to loss.

Spurs major problems are personnel, not managerial or coaching staff. That isn’t to say that Ange isn’t a problem, he may be out of his depth , and he isn’t beyond criticism. He seems to really like Sarr because of his “running power” and he’s said odd things like “the difference between the top and bottom players isn’t physical it’s mental”, which is just untrue.

But even if you change Ange, it won’t fix Spurs. Spurs will continue to stink it up until the key experienced players return from injury. Even then they might not be good enough to challenge Woolwich and Liverpool, but with the addition of Tel and return of Odobert that may improve things. Ultimately Spurs won’t challenge for the title or trophies until they sign a dominant central midfielder, someone who is reliable with the ball at their feet and can maintain possession under pressure.

I’d be inclined to stick with Ange for another season. With a full healthy squad Spurs willl undeniably improve and be top 8, whether Ange is still the right man to take Spurs into top 4 and trophy contenders is yet to be determined.

Vicario
Porro Romero VDV Spence
Kulusevski ? Maddison
Tel Solanke Son
 
rusty83 said:
Grey, Bergvall, Kinski, Moore are all developing players and honestly none are at yet at the standard they would walk into any PL starting side. Their opportunities for sustained regular football have come through injuries not merit. They have had some decent moment and some good games, but what player in the premier league hasn’t? That’s not criticism just an honest assessment of where they are at in terms of their development curve.

Additionally Sarr is just a plodder who can and never will reach elite levels of football. Bentancur is not cut out for the EPL and Bissouma appears to have talent but for whatever reason isn’t performing. The big issue for these three is they cannot operate in tight spaces and under high press, hence the constant turnovers.

So you have 3-4 developing players who are not yet EPL ready (at least in a top 4, let’s win trophies sense) , and a midfield trio who can’t handle pressure or high press. That is a big problem for a team and manager that wants to be possession dominant. But it doesn’t matter what tactics, formation, or style Ange’s played against Liverpool, they were always going to loss.

Spurs major problems are personnel, not managerial or coaching staff. That isn’t to say that Ange isn’t a problem, he may be out of his depth , and he isn’t beyond criticism. He seems to really like Sarr because of his “running power” and he’s said odd things like “the difference between the top and bottom players isn’t physical it’s mental”, which is just untrue.

But even if you change Ange, it won’t fix Spurs. Spurs will continue to stink it up until the key experienced players return from injury. Even then they might not be good enough to challenge Woolwich and Liverpool, but with the addition of Tel and return of Odobert that may improve things. Ultimately Spurs won’t challenge for the title or trophies until they sign a dominant central midfielder, someone who is reliable with the ball at their feet and can maintain possession under pressure.

I’d be inclined to stick with Ange for another season. With a full healthy squad Spurs willl undeniably improve and be top 8, whether Ange is still the right man to take Spurs into top 4 and trophy contenders is yet to be determined.

Vicario
Porro Romero VDV Spence
Kulusevski ? Maddison
Tel Solanke Son
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Just a question were you ever hit very hard in the head? The fact is if Ange is allowed until the end of the season he will lose more Premier League games in a season than Hoddle did with his makeshift squad. If losing is what you want ok because Ange has only above 50% win rate as a professional manager at Celtic. The man is a loser with a slightly interesting rags to riches story. The sooner he is gone from Spurs the better.
 
So glad I learnt my lesson from last season and supported Woolwich the other night. Great to see us both losing the game passing out stupidly from the back. Why lose a game 1-0 under Conte when you can lose it 4-0 under Ange. The man is a great manager. #GreenBrigade.
 
rusty83 said:
Grey, Bergvall, Kinski, Moore are all developing players and honestly none are at yet at the standard they would walk into any PL starting side. Their opportunities for sustained regular football have come through injuries not merit. They have had some decent moment and some good games, but what player in the premier league hasn’t? That’s not criticism just an honest assessment of where they are at in terms of their development curve.

Additionally Sarr is just a plodder who can and never will reach elite levels of football. Bentancur is not cut out for the EPL and Bissouma appears to have talent but for whatever reason isn’t performing. The big issue for these three is they cannot operate in tight spaces and under high press, hence the constant turnovers.

So you have 3-4 developing players who are not yet EPL ready (at least in a top 4, let’s win trophies sense) , and a midfield trio who can’t handle pressure or high press. That is a big problem for a team and manager that wants to be possession dominant. But it doesn’t matter what tactics, formation, or style Ange’s played against Liverpool, they were always going to loss.

Spurs major problems are personnel, not managerial or coaching staff. That isn’t to say that Ange isn’t a problem, he may be out of his depth , and he isn’t beyond criticism. He seems to really like Sarr because of his “running power” and he’s said odd things like “the difference between the top and bottom players isn’t physical it’s mental”, which is just untrue.

But even if you change Ange, it won’t fix Spurs. Spurs will continue to stink it up until the key experienced players return from injury. Even then they might not be good enough to challenge Woolwich and Liverpool, but with the addition of Tel and return of Odobert that may improve things. Ultimately Spurs won’t challenge for the title or trophies until they sign a dominant central midfielder, someone who is reliable with the ball at their feet and can maintain possession under pressure.

I’d be inclined to stick with Ange for another season. With a full healthy squad Spurs willl undeniably improve and be top 8, whether Ange is still the right man to take Spurs into top 4 and trophy contenders is yet to be determined.

Vicario
Porro Romero VDV Spence
Kulusevski ? Maddison
Tel Solanke Son
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Spurs got too young, too fast. Managers are leaders, but there also have to be leaders on the pitch. The lack of veteran players may be why the team doesn't seem to have much toughness. Romero can be that type guy, but he's so often injured or on international commitments. Even though he has an excitable personality, Viccario seems to have some spirit in him. Not criticizing Postecoglou in saying this, but Spurs let the team become too much about him. If you listen to his press conferences it sounds like a psychology lecture. I don't want to listen to a manager talking about player mentality, I want to see evidence of what the mentality is on the pitch. Maybe this young squad is too dependent on Postecoglou motivating them, and even thinking for them, and not professional enough yet to go out and react based on what they see in front of them. If there is a problem with a "Spursy" mentality maybe it's as simple as what Mourinho said, they are nice boys. Maybe too nice.
 
enfield1985 said:
Just a question were you ever hit very hard in the head? The fact is if Ange is allowed until the end of the season he will lose more Premier League games in a season than Hoddle did with his makeshift squad. If losing is what you want ok because Ange has only above 50% win rate as a professional manager at Celtic. The man is a loser with a slightly interesting rags to riches story. The sooner he is gone from Spurs the better.
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You can change Ange but it won’t fix Spurs. What is Spurs best established line up at the moment

Kinski
Porro Grey Davies Spence
Bissouma Bentancur Sarr
Kulusevski Richie Son

This side would struggle against most Championship teams. Just because they wear the Tottenham shirt and play in a big stadium doesn’t make them elite players. Of all those players only Son and Kulu have elite class. Maybe Porro.

If you want to sack Ange for circumstances outside his control go for it but until the injuries situation improves no manager in the world will turn this around. The only thing that will turn this around is players returning from injury and investment. I know everyone is angry that 3rd string Spurs got flogged by world class Liverpool, but it is human nature to seek out scapegoats when things don’t go your way. Sometimes it’s the President, sometimes it’s god, sometimes its Ange.

Also the win % attack on Ange is a fallacy. He earned his % in salary capped leagues where most teams are monetarily equal, unlike EPL where you have major swings in investment between the top and bottom clubs. A better stat would be his win % relative to other managers in those leagues, and he is in the very top echelons of those leagues
 
Dudski said:
Spurs got too young, too fast. Managers are leaders, but there also have to be leaders on the pitch. The lack of veteran players may be why the team doesn't seem to have much toughness. Romero can be that type guy, but he's so often injured or on international commitments. Even though he has an excitable personality, Viccario seems to have some spirit in him. Not criticizing Postecoglou in saying this, but Spurs let the team become too much about him. If you listen to his press conferences it sounds like a psychology lecture. I don't want to listen to a manager talking about player mentality, I want to see evidence of what the mentality is on the pitch. Maybe this young squad is too dependent on Postecoglou motivating them, and even thinking for them, and not professional enough yet to go out and react based on what they see in front of them. If there is a problem with a "Spursy" mentality maybe it's as simple as what Mourinho said, they are nice boys. Maybe too nice.
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It’s called growing pains. Grey, Bergval , Moore have only played the minutes they have because of injury. Ange wouldn’t have played them anywhere near as much otherwise. Bergval was agitating for game time before the injury crisis. For their ages they are really great and advanced and that but probably Championship level in terms of their development. Obviously their ceiling is much higher than Championship.
 
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