Manager Ange Postecoglou

[rusty83]

Between having a small squad (on Levy), increased club and international games and having a physically demanding manager is pretty much the definition of a direct correlation.

“The 59-year-old likes his squad to train with the same intensity they play games. Training sessions are shorter compared to under previous head coaches but the squad’s physical output is greater. When they participate in drills, assistant coaches watch on from the sidelines and when a ball is cleared they immediately roll a fresh one back in — there is no time for respite. Physically overpowering the opponent is a cornerstone of Postecoglou’s style and this requires a period of adaptation for the players’ bodies to get up to speed.”

Inside the injury crisis that threatens to wreck Tottenham’s season

Spurs had high hopes for this season, but an ever-worsening injury crisis has stifled them - could it have been avoided?

www.nytimes.com

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Oh my god a news article! This doesn’t show any correlation between training intensity and injuries, just that training is intense. Do you think Ange is the only manager in the world who works his players really hard? You might as well blame the crowd for the injury crisis. The new stadium is much larger and louder compared to the old stadium so it’s the fans fault.

 

[Matt1882]

So you can change Ange, but not even Slot or Pep can take a second string development side and make them play good football at the elite level.

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Literally any other manager could get more players fitter for longer.
Yes the injuries are bad.
But they're largely his fault for his ridiculous style of play that players can't do all match against elite opposition.

He needs to fuck off back to farmers leagues.

And if you're just an Angefanboi, you can follow him.

 

[Murphy]

Oh my god a news article! This doesn’t show any correlation between training intensity and injuries, just that training is intense. Do you think Ange is the only manager in the world who works his players really hard? You might as well blame the crowd for the injury crisis. The new stadium is much larger and louder compared to the old stadium so it’s the fans fault.

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He’s not going to fuck you.

 

[OziBeerMan]

it’s not incorrect; the effects of intense training, lack of rotation and schedule have been widely reported. They may have reduced the intensity recently, but the long term effects of this approach have reached full disaster in recent months.

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Ange is on record saying they haven’t fully trained for months.

 

[OziBeerMan]

Between having a small squad (on Levy), increased club and international games and having a physically demanding manager is pretty much the definition of a direct correlation.

“The 59-year-old likes his squad to train with the same intensity they play games. Training sessions are shorter compared to under previous head coaches but the squad’s physical output is greater. When they participate in drills, assistant coaches watch on from the sidelines and when a ball is cleared they immediately roll a fresh one back in — there is no time for respite. Physically overpowering the opponent is a cornerstone of Postecoglou’s style and this requires a period of adaptation for the players’ bodies to get up to speed.”

Inside the injury crisis that threatens to wreck Tottenham’s season

Spurs had high hopes for this season, but an ever-worsening injury crisis has stifled them - could it have been avoided?

www.nytimes.com

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I’ll put more credence in the words that come out of Ange’s mouth than a news article. How many times does he have to say it before you believe it. He literally has talked about it in every 2nd presser for the past few months.

 

[rusty83]

How about a quote from Ange himself about injuries, Ange-ball and training . Good enuf for ya?

Ange Postecoglou admits Celtic injuries come from training demands as he insists it's 'not possible' to protect players​

Asked if he would temper the training and playing style to protect his players from injury, he added: “No, it’s not possible. It’s a by-product of the team we want to be and it’s part of the process.

Ange Postecoglou admits his Celtic training demands can bring injuries

Kyogo Furuhashi and Albian Ajeti both limped off with injuries in the win over Real Betis.

www.dailyrecord.co.uk

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lol, good old journalistic clickbait. You should know better than to trust a headline, unless you’re retarded.

The “by product” he refers to is training intensity not injuries. He means training intensity is a byproduct of the team he wants them to be. Other articles quoting Ange confirm this.

No manager in the world is going to admit to deliberately injuring his own players.

Lol

 

[rolling boh]

If the players are really as poor as they look now and it's not a lot to do with Ange 's training or lack of much if any tactical plan then things are even bleaker as the overhaul that is needed once again is going to be a huge job and costly .

 

[Gazzapen]

In fairness to Pippo. I went and looked him up and he took over Pisa in the summer and currently has them sitting second in Serie B. So he may be starting to find his feet in management finally. But Simone is by far the superior one out of the two. An absolute top manager in the making.

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Yip. I've been watching some of his tactics. The way he thinks is really unconventional. It would work with fit young olayers

 

[malin]

Watching our games on weekly basis for around 17 years. Never been so relaxed during games like this season since ~early november (minus first 30 minutes at Anfield) Because i dont care anymore till he is there. He broke me, i dont want to feel that way and im embarassed, but I can't produce any emotions knowing how much out of his depth he is

 

[Gazzapen]

I didn't say the tactics were the same or even comparable please re-read without assumption. I said both systems are similar in this aspect only :-

"Ange Ball & Inzaghi ball are very similar in the fact they HAVE to use players who are comfortable & fully trained who are fully fit to pull off"

please re-read what I actually said. It means that both systems need players who versatile in the positions on the pitch - that's it.

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The word similar, Oxford dictionary meaning: 'something is like another thing, but not exactly the same'. The systems being similar implies the tactics are alike but not exactly the same. They are not in any way the same. Ange doesn't not think about defence when Inzaghi's brings his midfield back to Defend. Inzaghi trains his players to be able to do everything i.e. A CB can cross, shoot and pass almost as well as a MF or a STR and MFs can defend almost as well as Defenders. Is this the case with Ange?...... I didn't think so. It is completely different. You cannot say they are similar.

 

[SpursDNA]

lol, good old journalistic clickbait. You should know better than to trust a headline, unless you’re retarded.

The “by product” he refers to is training intensity not injuries. He means training intensity is a byproduct of the team he wants them to be. Other articles quoting Ange confirm this.

No manager in the world is going to admit to deliberately injuring his own players.

Lol

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There’s a quote from Ange himself right under the headline bruv.

No one said he’s deliberately injuring players. Of course, he’s not - His training and playing style are intense - it leads to higher level of injuries … and Ange is oft quoted as being uncompromising when it comes to his style and methods (until the last two matches anyway).

So you’re going to get more injuries with an Ange team - the ludicrous level of injuries, we have now is a bit of bad luck but a higher level of injuries is part of the deal with Ange - per the quote from Ange himself.

 

[enfield1985]

You can change Ange but it won’t fix Spurs. What is Spurs best established line up at the moment

Kinski
Porro Grey Davies Spence
Bissouma Bentancur Sarr
Kulusevski Richie Son

This side would struggle against most Championship teams. Just because they wear the Tottenham shirt and play in a big stadium doesn’t make them elite players. Of all those players only Son and Kulu have elite class. Maybe Porro.

If you want to sack Ange for circumstances outside his control go for it but until the injuries situation improves no manager in the world will turn this around. The only thing that will turn this around is players returning from injury and investment. I know everyone is angry that 3rd string Spurs got flogged by world class Liverpool, but it is human nature to seek out scapegoats when things don’t go your way. Sometimes it’s the President, sometimes it’s god, sometimes its Ange.

Also the win % attack on Ange is a fallacy. He earned his % in salary capped leagues where most teams are monetarily equal, unlike EPL where you have major swings in investment between the top and bottom clubs. A better stat would be his win % relative to other managers in those leagues, and he is in the very top echelons of those leagues

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Ange is meant to be the equivalent to the special one in Australia. To have a less than 50% win rate means he is nothing special.

Let’s just compare him to his replacement Rodger’s at Celtic there is absolutely no difference in league position and they actually won a few games in the Champions League.

Let’s compare him to Poch who should be the measuring bar for any Spurs manager. Poch has win percentage above 50% for all games managed in the Premier League.

The fact is even if Ange had all his players fit every week, I think we would have only picked up 2/3 more wins than we have. The simple fact is there is little to no organisation in an Ange team. It is not designed to attack or defend as a team. The only thing it relies on is the high press. The players are expected to high press with no triggers so the high press is disorganised. The other most stupid tactic it employs is the constant reliance on playing out from the back. Everyone and there dog knows we are going to try play it out from the back and rely on the 6 to try beat the press. The fact is it puts us in constant trouble and is one of the fairly few tactics Ange uses.

Look at the Everton game last season where we had 2 injuries Bissouma and Son. We went 2-1 up with great goals from Richarlison. Everton knew if they pressed us at the back they would win the ball high and they eventually won a free kick which they scored from.

 

[rusty83]

Watching our games on weekly basis for around 17 years. Never been so relaxed during games like this season since ~early november (minus first 30 minutes at Anfield) Because i dont care anymore till he is there. He broke me, i dont want to feel that way and im embarassed, but I can't produce any emotions knowing how much out of his depth he is

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So you were ok till the injuries happened, and since the injuries happened you’ve concluded that he broke you and that he is utterly out of his depth? Why don’t you just despair at the injury crises rather than Ange? If Ange is a pilot, and the plane crashes because the wing falls off, do you rage at the pilot?

 

[rusty83]

There’s a quote from Ange himself right under the headline bruv.

No one said he’s deliberately injuring players. Of course, he’s not - His training and playing style are intense - it leads to higher level of injuries … and Ange is oft quoted as being uncompromising when it comes to his style and methods (until the last two matches anyway).

So you’re going to get more injuries with an Ange team - the ludicrous level of injuries, we have now is a bit of bad luck but a higher level of injuries is part of the deal with Ange - per the quote from Ange himself.

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There’s no quote dickhead,

His quote was taken out of context. He wasn’t saying “injuries are a by product of training intensity” he was saying “training intensity is a by product of the team we want to be” .
He was saying that he wouldn’t change his playing and training style despite the injuries, he wasn’t directly attributing the injuries to his training and playing style.

 

[rusty83]

Ange is meant to be the equivalent to the special one in Australia. To have a less than 50% win rate means he is nothing special.

Let’s just compare him to his replacement Rodger’s at Celtic there is absolutely no difference in league position and they actually won a few games in the Champions League.

Let’s compare him to Poch who should be the measuring bar for any Spurs manager. Poch has win percentage above 50% for all games managed in the Premier League.

The fact is even if Ange had all his players fit every week, I think we would have only picked up 2/3 more wins than we have. The simple fact is there is little to no organisation in an Ange team. It is not designed to attack or defend as a team. The only thing it relies on is the high press. The players are expected to high press with no triggers so the high press is disorganised. The other most stupid tactic it employs is the constant reliance on playing out from the back. Everyone and there dog knows we are going to try play it out from the back and rely on the 6 to try beat the press. The fact is it puts us in constant trouble and is one of the fairly few tactics Ange uses.

Look at the Everton game last season where we had 2 injuries Bissouma and Son. We went 2-1 up with great goals from Richarlison. Everton knew if they pressed us at the back they would win the ball high and they eventually won a free kick which they scored from.

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It’s almost like you can’t read

it’s fucking daft to compare salary capped leagues to laizzre faire premier league. It’s like comparing Ten Hag witb a 54% win record at Manu compared to Eddie Howe with 50% at Newcastle. Does that mean that Ten Haag is better than Howe?

 

[Murphy]

It’s almost like you can’t read

it’s fucking daft to compare salary capped leagues to laizzre faire premier league. It’s like comparing Ten Hag witb a 54% win record at Manu compared to Eddie Howe with 50% at Newcastle. Does that mean that Ten Haag is better than Howe?

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Ten Hag won two trophies at a fucking awful Man United team. So I would say that yes, he is a better manager than Eddie Howe.

 

[Who]

Ange is meant to be the equivalent to the special one in Australia. To have a less than 50% win rate means he is nothing special.

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not many people in australia talk about him I expect as not many people pay attention to football/soccer. The 'EPL' is something that sports channels push and people who like soccer choose a team..usually Liverpool. When he won things at Celtic it seems the media in ausralia really liked it but as everybody knows that was just business as usual for the last decade except one season when Gerrard won with Rangers. The general populace wouldn't have heard of him as they watch aussie rules, rugby league and if they went to a private school, rugby union (that's why they cannot compete with the working class Kiwi's in that sport). If they have heard of him, like some of the weird fanbois on here, they may say how great he is (as he is australian) and trying to convince people of something Not won many games, players out of position and injured, glorious speeches (if you like that sort of thing).. but apart from that it seems to be going quite well.

 

[Who]

To be clear, it’s not out of fandom for him. If Liz Truss became our next manager, I’d want her to be the one just because I’m desperate for some kind of success.

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fair enough mate. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. It's a beautiful club is THFC.. but at the minute, if it quacks like a duck..

 

[rusty83]

Ten Hag won two trophies at a fucking awful Man United team. So I would say that yes, he is a better manager than Eddie Howe.

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Ooooh suddenly it’s the players fault not the manager. You must confess then that league position doesn’t quantify managerial ability. On that basis one can argue that Ange having made the league cup semi and sitting currently 5th in Europa that he is a raging success. How many league cup semis has Esperito or the guy from Bournemouth made?

 

[Go on son]

Grey, Bergvall, Kinski, Moore are all developing players and honestly none are at yet at the standard they would walk into any PL starting side. Their opportunities for sustained regular football have come through injuries not merit. They have had some decent moment and some good games, but what player in the premier league hasn’t? That’s not criticism just an honest assessment of where they are at in terms of their development curve.

Additionally Sarr is just a plodder who can and never will reach elite levels of football. Bentancur is not cut out for the EPL and Bissouma appears to have talent but for whatever reason isn’t performing. The big issue for these three is they cannot operate in tight spaces and under high press, hence the constant turnovers.

So you have 3-4 developing players who are not yet EPL ready (at least in a top 4, let’s win trophies sense) , and a midfield trio who can’t handle pressure or high press. That is a big problem for a team and manager that wants to be possession dominant. But it doesn’t matter what tactics, formation, or style Ange’s played against Liverpool, they were always going to loss.

Spurs major problems are personnel, not managerial or coaching staff. That isn’t to say that Ange isn’t a problem, he may be out of his depth , and he isn’t beyond criticism. He seems to really like Sarr because of his “running power” and he’s said odd things like “the difference between the top and bottom players isn’t physical it’s mental”, which is just untrue.

But even if you change Ange, it won’t fix Spurs. Spurs will continue to stink it up until the key experienced players return from injury. Even then they might not be good enough to challenge Woolwich and Liverpool, but with the addition of Tel and return of Odobert that may improve things. Ultimately Spurs won’t challenge for the title or trophies until they sign a dominant central midfielder, someone who is reliable with the ball at their feet and can maintain possession under pressure.

I’d be inclined to stick with Ange for another season. With a full healthy squad Spurs willl undeniably improve and be top 8, whether Ange is still the right man to take Spurs into top 4 and trophy contenders is yet to be determined.

Vicario
Porro Romero VDV Spence
Kulusevski ? Maddison
Tel Solanke Son

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WE WILL NOT HAVE A FIT SQUAD UNDER ANGE. EVER!! Thats been proven

Its not the manager or coaching staff???? Ask anyone who has coached at any level if we are well coached. We are shockingly coached. We look like we havent a clue where to be where to go. Its u 12 stuff when we lose posssession.
Forget about quality of player look at the difference structurally the other night. You could have drove 10 m1a1 abrams tanks between our players