Manager Ange Postecoglou

[Matt1882]

The simple fact is there is little to no organisation in an Ange team. It is not designed to attack or defend as a team. The only thing it relies on is the high press. The players are expected to high press with no triggers so the high press is disorganised.

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This is the worst part.
At 0-0 on Thursday, I watched our front 3 each run about 30-40 yards trying to press the Liverpool defence. Absolutely ridiculous. They had all the time in the world to pass around the press.
No wonder our players are all shot to bits.

 

[SpursDNA]

In the first season yes, when players adapt to the intensity.

I don’t get why this is still a debate. We are a PL club, trying to be the fittest and fastest, most hard working is what every coach wants. That will always come with injuries.

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Sure BUT our players aren’t adapting …

Interesting article with a medical staffer who worked at Ange with Celtic … Whether or not he’s a good manager doesn’t matter - as it seems he’s not a good fit for us. Like Vincent Kompay who got Burnley relegated and now has Bayern back on top.

It seems we don’t have the squad depth to make Ange-ball work - so as long as the bald cunt is in charge ...

Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?

Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.

www.bbc.com

Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?​

"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.

"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.

"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."

"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.

"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.

"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.

 

[Richard Arlison]

WE WILL NOT HAVE A FIT SQUAD UNDER ANGE. EVER!! Thats been proven

Its not the manager or coaching staff???? Ask anyone who has coached at any level if we are well coached. We are shockingly coached. We look like we havent a clue where to be where to go. Its u 12 stuff when we lose posssession.
Forget about quality of player look at the difference structurally the other night. You could have drove 10 m1a1 abrams tanks between our players

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What does well coached mean?

 

[SpursDNA]

There’s no quote dickhead,

His quote was taken out of context. He wasn’t saying “injuries are a by product of training intensity” he was saying “training intensity is a by product of the team we want to be” .
He was saying that he wouldn’t change his playing and training style despite the injuries, he wasn’t directly attributing the injuries to his training and playing style.

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On Ignore for being a Dickhead Ange Fanboi with 30 posts and by all indications not a Spurs supporter …

 

[Richard Arlison]

100% agree with this except our players aren’t adapting …

Interesting article with a medical staffer who worked at Ange with Celtic … Whether or not he’s a good manager doesn’t matter - as it seems he’s not a good fit for us. Like Vincent Kompay who got Burnley relegated and now has Bayern back on top.

We don’t have the squad depth to make Ange-ball work - so you could argue that we are not good enuf for Ange but ultimately it doesn’t matter because as long as Levy is in charge ...

Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?

Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.

www.bbc.com

Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?​

"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.

"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.

"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."

"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.

"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.

"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.

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I’m not sure it’s as simple as us not good enough or him not good enough. I think we weren’t ready to start the season because the young players we intended to develop as our squad depth needed time to bed in. Then, of course, because we are Spurs, we hit the perfect storm of early injuries before they were ready.

It was also criminal that we didn’t sign a LCB/LB to rotate with VDV and Udogie. We knew they are both injury prone. Spence is ready now but we clearly wanted to make him earn his way in and that meant we didn’t have rotation options when they both got injured early.

 

[Go on son]

What does well coached mean?

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Structure, players knowing where theyre meant to be when in possession, when we lose possession, how to break down a low block team, mentality. We look like a clusterfuck every time we lose possession because there is massive gaps between our players. Look at liverpool when they give away the ball.

Also how many goals have we conceded the same. Cross to porros side either crossfield or to back post. Coaching stops that

 

[Who]

What does well coached mean?

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get the best out of the elite players they have?

 

[Richard Arlison]

Structure, players knowing where theyre meant to be when in possession, when we lose possession, how to break down a low block team, mentality. We look like a clusterfuck every time we lose possession because there is massive gaps between our players. Look at liverpool when they give away the ball.

Also how many goals have we conceded the same. Cross to porros side either crossfield or to back post. Coaching stops that

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A system having a weak point doesn’t make it unstructured. Tbh if we have an issue to solve in the structure that is PROOF that we have a structure.

Every system has weaknesses. I think people talk about these things without really knowing what they are banging on about.

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

not many people in australia talk about him I expect as not many people pay attention to football/soccer. The 'EPL' is something that sports channels push and people who like soccer choose a team..usually Liverpool. When he won things at Celtic it seems the media in ausralia really liked it but as everybody knows that was just business as usual for the last decade except one season when Gerrard won with Rangers. The general populace wouldn't have heard of him as they watch aussie rules, rugby league and if they went to a private school, rugby union (that's why they cannot compete with the working class Kiwi's in that sport). If they have heard of him, like some of the weird fanbois on here, they may say how great he is (as he is australian) and trying to convince people of something Not won many games, players out of position and injured, glorious speeches (if you like that sort of thing).. but apart from that it seems to be going quite well.

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The guy won everything there was to win locally, then managed at the World Cup in 2014, he then won the Asian Cup (beating Son's Sth Korea in the final watched by 83,000 spectators a home tournament that 700,000 fans attended and millions watched on TV) Then managed a World Cup Campaign, Aussie rules had one of their coaches Sam Mitchell come to Tottenham last season to learn how he does thing and how we do things. But no-one knows he is? Gimme a break.

It clearly hasn't worked for him here, it didn't work for Conte, Mauronho, Nuno. All shit managers right?

 

[Guy From The Lane]

The word similar, Oxford dictionary meaning: 'something is like another thing, but not exactly the same'. The systems being similar implies the tactics are alike but not exactly the same. They are not in any way the same. Ange doesn't not think about defence when Inzaghi's brings his midfield back to Defend. Inzaghi trains his players to be able to do everything i.e. A CB can cross, shoot and pass almost as well as a MF or a STR and MFs can defend almost as well as Defenders. Is this the case with Ange?...... I didn't think so. It is completely different. You cannot say they are similar.

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I can say they are - in the ways I outlined please re-read.

I can also say that 'Ange Ball' is similar to Vincent Kompany's approach with a focus on attack & scoring goals which can be seen by Bayern Munich's GD & our GD also using the GK as an extra CB but how he gets there is different.

Here let me simplify for you :-

It's the same way as saying that a Coffee & a cup of Tea are similar in the fact they can be both hot & cold drinks served in a cup not only that they're similar in the fact they are both liquids that are drunk. I don't know if you're just being obtuse on purpose just to 'win' an argument or naturally unable to understand my point either way I'm moving on.

 

[Who]

A system having a weak point doesn’t make it unstructured. Tbh if we have an issue to solve in the structure that is PROOF that we have a structure.

Every system has weaknesses. I think people talk about these things without really knowing what they are banging on about.

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that's so true man. those are some really 'salient' points

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

Sure BUT our players aren’t adapting …

Interesting article with a medical staffer who worked at Ange with Celtic … Whether or not he’s a good manager doesn’t matter - as it seems he’s not a good fit for us. Like Vincent Kompay who got Burnley relegated and now has Bayern back on top.

It seems we don’t have the squad depth to make Ange-ball work - so as long as the bald cunt is in charge ...

Ange Postecoglou: Is Tottenham manager's style causing Spurs injury crisis?

Sports scientist Anton McElhone has worked closely with Ange Postecoglou at Celtic and speaks to BBC Sport about his methods.

www.bbc.com

Why are Spurs getting so many injuries?​

"At Celtic after six months Postecoglou could rotate the front five at 65 or 65 minutes to keep the freshness for the 60-game season," reflected McElhone.

"At Tottenham he's probably found that a lot more difficult because I don't think the strength in depth is the same as other Premier League clubs like Manchester City and Chelsea.

"Look at the evolution at Celtic under Postecoglou, we had a three-month period of sustaining injuries every week, mostly hamstring injuries. We had to get to the winter break to reset."

"As the players adapted to the demands of the system, the game fluctuation changed rather than that constant 'basketball' up and down the pitch, the team was able to control one half of the pitch more. So that stopped the centre-backs having to run in behind as often.

"As the game model and philosophy settled, that reduced injuries.

"At the moment, that is the problem at Tottenham. He has not got the squad.

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And that's him in a nutshell. He will try and fit round pegs into square holes.

 

[White Van Jan]

shit or bust for Levy this season is the EL. If we somehow scrape that one then the season is a fabulous success (or can be seen to be). Anything else is a dismal one, the worst since 2008 and 2 pts from 8.

If we go out tomorrow thats 2 cups in a week. Surely he will get rid of Ange then for a caretaker who can give us a better chance of winning EL? Mind you not sure Levy does logic, he certainly has no clue about footie

 

[Go on son]

A system having a weak point doesn’t make it unstructured. Tbh if we have an issue to solve in the structure that is PROOF that we have a structure.

Every system has weaknesses. I think people talk about these things without really knowing what they are banging on about.

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I coach GAA at a decent level. Ive coached for 10 year from u16 to senior adult. Different field sport but i have plenty of experience in coaching.
I never said we didnt have structure. Ours is terrible though. Theres more than 1 weaknes in it. There is many and none have been solved in 18 months.
The fact that this is still an arguement is mental

 

[rusty83]

WE WILL NOT HAVE A FIT SQUAD UNDER ANGE. EVER!! Thats been proven

Its not the manager or coaching staff???? Ask anyone who has coached at any level if we are well coached. We are shockingly coached. We look like we havent a clue where to be where to go. Its u 12 stuff when we lose posssession.
Forget about quality of player look at the difference structurally the other night. You could have drove 10 m1a1 abrams tanks between our players

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Why is it proven that the squad will never be fit? It’s not proven, that’s just fucking stupid.

It doesn’t matter how good the coach is when you have seven first team players missing and rubbish depth. You are going to lose games regardless. A lot. A good coach cannot salvage a lack of quality, experience and bench options on the pitch. Sure, with shit players you can transition to a defensive mindset and look more structurally organised and “better coached” but you still won’t win anything and once you’ve instilled that in the players you will never weed it out. It is a guarantee of perpetual mediocrity.

Success isn’t just who the manager is, it’s a holistic enterprise involving manager, players, owners, culture and to lesser extent assistant coaches etc. You take one cog out of the wheel and the whole thing falls apart. That is just the reality of elite sport. The current state of Spurs crisis is simply injuries.

 

[Go on son]

And that's him in a nutshell. He will try and fit round pegs into square holes.

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Exactly so you adapt. I think he has a little but doesnt know how to

 

[Richard Arlison]

And that's him in a nutshell. He will try and fit round pegs into square holes.

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Not really though. Every player he’s brought into the club, except maybe Dragusin has been a round peg.

The challenge he has is Levynomics and the dripfeed approach to building a squad. Every year we hear from the Spurs beat reporters “spurs want 2 CBs this window, or Spurs want x2 forwards this window”. But we all know that we will never sign 2 senior pros in one position at a time. Regardless of who the manager is, a “rebuild” at this club will always end up falling into the same permanent, never-ending build.

 

[Matt1882]

Part of me just wants this madness to get worse just to see who doubles down regardless.
A thumping tomorrow would be a moment. Going from "we're in 3 cups" to just the ropey league and fcuk all chance of that despite the ridiculous bookie odds should shut a few up.

We need to stop playing Suicideball ASAP. It's not about "waah who do we get in"
It's about getting him out.
Vanilla boring plain old Mason will do to steady the ship and mostly importantly, let the players heal.

 

[Richard Arlison]

I coach GAA at a decent level. Ive coached for 10 year from u16 to senior adult. Different field sport but i have plenty of experience in coaching.
I never said we didnt have structure. Ours is terrible though. Theres more than 1 weaknes in it. There is many and none have been solved in 18 months.
The fact that this is still an arguement is mental

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Ah that’s different, your opinion is that you don’t rate the system based on your own amateur coaching. You are entitled to that opinion of course.

 

[Kiro Kompiro]

I coach GAA at a decent level. Ive coached for 10 year from u16 to senior adult. Different field sport but i have plenty of experience in coaching.
I never said we didnt have structure. Ours is terrible though. Theres more than 1 weaknes in it. There is many and none have been solved in 18 months.
The fact that this is still an arguement is mental

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And he has coached in the Club World Cup, at the WC, won the Asian Cup. I think his experience probably trumps pretty much all of ours...