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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Engorged Onion said:
My view is this.
If you're going to change your philosophy due to injury, then you already don't believe in your philosophy. Punters call him naive, but what is really going on, is he is imebedding it irrespective of the situation.

If you are the manager and you have seen the evidence, in other leagues, and against other teams (man u, city AND liverpool as wins) that the system works. You're not going to change.

You're also not going to revert to 'safe' just because there are injuries... Why? Well, whether you finish 6-16th it doesn't matter. Scrapping for a draw here or there.. is essentially meaningless. That is why he is not changing... it's short term pain for long term pain, and the average (and yes... i mean average) punter who is starved of 'expected' success - find it difficult to look at the long term, they want immediate evidence and success irrespective of context.

Ange already alluded to it in the press conference... it takes 2 years minimum to turn things around. We're 18 months in.
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Yet it seems 18 months was more than enough for him to turn us from consistent top 6 side that had temporary problems cause Conte lost interest, into bottom half team.
 
Engorged Onion said:
My view is this.
If you're going to change your philosophy due to injury, then you already don't believe in your philosophy. Punters call him naive, but what is really going on, is he is imebedding it irrespective of the situation.

If you are the manager and you have seen the evidence, in other leagues, and against other teams (man u, city AND liverpool as wins) that the system works. You're not going to change.

You're also not going to revert to 'safe' just because there are injuries... Why? Well, whether you finish 6-16th it doesn't matter. Scrapping for a draw here or there.. is essentially meaningless. That is why he is not changing... it's short term pain for long term pain, and the average (and yes... i mean average) punter who is starved of 'expected' success - find it difficult to look at the long term, they want immediate evidence and success irrespective of context.

Ange already alluded to it in the press conference... it takes 2 years minimum to turn things around. We're 18 months in.
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Post of the year!
I was listening to a Podcast the past few days about elite coaching, and THIS is exactly the train of thought of the top tier managers. You don’t change your philosophy when challenges arise as it confuses players, demonstrates you don’t have faith in it in the first place, and doesn’t allow it to be embedded throughout the entire squad AND club. It’s also cultural change just as much.
For all that is perceived as bad with Ange, the club and squad will be far better off in the future.
 
Engorged Onion said:
My view is this.
If you're going to change your philosophy due to injury, then you already don't believe in your philosophy. Punters call him naive, but what is really going on, is he is imebedding it irrespective of the situation.

If you are the manager and you have seen the evidence, in other leagues, and against other teams (man u, city AND liverpool as wins) that the system works. You're not going to change.

You're also not going to revert to 'safe' just because there are injuries... Why? Well, whether you finish 6-16th it doesn't matter. Scrapping for a draw here or there.. is essentially meaningless. That is why he is not changing... it's short term pain for long term pain, and the average (and yes... i mean average) punter who is starved of 'expected' success - find it difficult to look at the long term, they want immediate evidence and success irrespective of context.

Ange already alluded to it in the press conference... it takes 2 years minimum to turn things around. We're 18 months in.
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If you are Man City and have 22 of the best players (or can add good players every transfer window) then stick to your Philosophy
Liverpool can stick to the tactics as they have 16 or so good players
we don't have 8 top players and when 3 or 4 are injuried we are playing with 6 or 7 backup players So just like most manager you need to adapt to the problems you face
we are not talking about 1 or 2 games that top players are missing we are taking about long term, yes couple of games you stick to the system as its reinforcing the style, but when its 7 or 8 games you have to adapt
 
malin said:
Yet it seems 18 months was more than enough for him to turn us from consistent top 6 side that had temporary problems cause Conte lost interest, into bottom half team.
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The squad has had a lot of turnover, a lot of older players gone and replaced with half the number of players, who are babies comparatively. Then the injuries hit. The key fact for me in the coverage of the game was, Spurs were fifth when Vicario got injured. And it was his first game back and we won 1-0.

Would suggest we were a top 6 teams before the injuries.

My concern is that if we ditch Ange we start the cycle again, would be worth seeing it out, let’s see how we are tracking at years end. A good run of form with players back, and ideally a euro cup win, and would be hard to justify sacking him.
 
rusty said:
If you are Man City and have 22 of the best players (or can add good players every transfer window) then stick to your Philosophy
Liverpool can stick to the tactics as they have 16 or so good players
we don't have 8 top players and when 3 or 4 are injuried we are playing with 6 or 7 backup players So just like most manager you need to adapt to the problems you face
we are not talking about 1 or 2 games that top players are missing we are taking about long term, yes couple of games you stick to the system as its reinforcing the style, but when its 7 or 8 games you have to adapt
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So what, we are 6 points better. Have been playing defensive low block, Spence, Bergvall, gray, Tel, all not developing, or not at the club.

Yeah. Let’s not do that.
 
Socrates said:
My fear is that if by some fluke we win the Europa it is frightening how embarrassed we will be against CL teams.
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Scared Kermit The Frog GIF
 
I just find it so hard to understand how we have regressed so badly over time. Even in the very first friendly matches we played under Ange, I could see his style of play already.

He can keep blaming the injuries but I really don’t see any resemblance of ‘Angeball’ any more. I can’t imagine players coming back will solve that element. He seems to have lost any idea of the style of play he wants to enforce.

We were told it would be quick tempo, relentless intensity and pinning the opposition back.

All I really ever see is us labouring in possession and only ever looking dangerous when we scrape away a clearance and go on the counter.
 
Spurs Curious said:
The squad has had a lot of turnover, a lot of older players gone and replaced with half the number of players, who are babies comparatively. Then the injuries hit. The key fact for me in the coverage of the game was, Spurs were fifth when Vicario got injured. And it was his first game back and we won 1-0.

Would suggest we were a top 6 teams before the injuries.

My concern is that if we ditch Ange we start the cycle again, would be worth seeing it out, let’s see how we are tracking at years end. A good run of form with players back, and ideally a euro cup win, and would be hard to justify sacking him.
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If a squad seems to be promising and with proper quality (which for me seems to be case with 2-3 extra additions, at least in terms of being top 6 side) - sacking Ange is not restarting any cycle in my opinion. It just adjust one of the pieces of current cycle. Like with Liverpool, when Klopp left and Slot came.
 
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