You're talking about a club that sacked a manager during a European tie...
Ha very true, would be surprised it happened again!
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Ha very true, would be surprised it happened again!
Well Ange is the 8th longest serving manager in the league currently.
And people want him sacked.
And I’d bet most of the time when we have sacked managers that’s what the majority of the fans wanted.
Unless you have a long serving successful manager it’s the industry standard.
Watford were burning through managers for a while.
What other clubs would you say are our peers?
Newcastle? Villa? Everton? West Ham? Just thinking of teams with high level of seasons in the PL.
Ange is probably gone and probably should have been gone a while back but I've now become agnostic towards managers. As you say, they come and go like ships in the night so best not to get to invested in one because likelihood is he'll be shown the door after a few bad results...
To answer your question... our peers are mid table dwellers... think Fulham (Silva nearly 4 seasons in charge) and Brentford (Frank nearly 7 seasons in charge)... Everton and West Ham are a bracket below, Newcastle and Villa are a bracket above us.
Peers I mean clubs with a low or non existent record of being outside the PL.
So I don’t see Fulham or Brentford as peers tbh. Brentford what 5 seasons in the PL? They are not a peer. More likely to be relegated within 5 seasons than being top 4.
Fulham?? Maybe 20 seasons?
Sure they will be closer to 50/50 time in and out the premier league.
We are 100% premier league.
What if we lost 300 nil?
Not sure I agree with your logic... number of seasons in the Premier League does not correlate to your peer group... on that basis Brentford's peer group would include Birmingham (7 seasons in PL inc. 4 on the spin), Burnley (9 seasons in PL inc. 6 on the spin), Charlton (8 seasons in PL inc. 7 on the spin). I doubt Brentford or for the matter fans of Birmingham, Burnley or Charlton would see one another as being in the same peer group... Southampton have had 25 seasons in the PL... not far off our 33 - are we peers? No. Woolwich 33 years in the PL - same as us... are we peers? No, we are light years behind them. I admit it can change quickly but for me, your peer group is linked to where you're at right now... the Prem League is divided into 6 groups:
The Perennial Challengers - Man City, Woolwich, Liverpool
The Top 5 Challengers - Villa, Newcastle, Chavs
The Mid Table Mediocrity - Forest (punching this season), Brighton, Brentford, Fulham, Bournemouth, Palace
The Poor - Man U, Spurs
The Piss Poor - Wolves, West Ham, Everton
The Shite - Ipswich, Leicester, Southampton
I think we are closer to the piss poor group than we are to the top 5 challengers group. Just my opinion though.
Then they'd be some very happy people amongst this fanbase, no doubt
You say tomato and I say potato!!
I think our peer groups in this instance are just defined by the parameters we set!!
This.
I 100% want Ange gone but he’s still in charge and we’re still in Europe.
We MUST give it everything. Simple as that.
Jol - 3 years
Redknapp - 4 years
Poch - Into his 5th season and had 293 games in charge
If a Manager is working, he stays until he's not or has a meltdown.
It's a myth that managers are all gone in a year to 18 months.
Shit ones are.
Ones who throw their toys out are.
Ones that do a decent job stay longer.
Even this useless twat has lasted 2 seasons*
*subject to him seeing this season out as it appears to be
Doesn't matter if we give 100%, we still ain't gonna win this under such a shite and naive manager.
They have a better track record of getting good managers.
Just changing manager regularly isn't what's hurting us. Lot's of teams, including Chelsea do it. Getting crap ones is our problem.
Just in the ENIC era, they have had Ranieri, prime Mourinho, Scolari, Hiddink, Ancelotti, Mourinho again, Conte, Sarri, Tuchel, Poch having proved himself.
Yeah they have had a few duds like Lampard and AVB*
In that same period, we've had Hoddle fail, Santini crushed, Ramos nearly send us down, *AVB repeat his Chelsea nonsense, Nono, a mercinary Mourinho, Conte at the worst time of his career and now this clown.
We keep taking punts and we keep either getting it wrong or get bad luck.
Imagine if Conte's 2nd season wasn't blighted with death and illness?
Imagine Levy didn't get a hard on for Mourinho based on 2003, and didn't sack Poch so reactively?
The scum result was a chastener.
I cannot fucking stand Ange. I think he’s an utterly insufferable penis.
But I want us to win. His slimy gloating would be an unfortunate inevitability.
That said, it’s all academic.
Fulham has improved every season and Brentford staying in EPL for 7 seasons itself is a feat. Both are good managers that has a limited budget and works well with less. We are not getting a top manager at this point and this is the best we are going to get.
TomatoYou say tomato and I say potato!!
I think our peer groups in this instance are just defined by the parameters we set!!
Great post Brian
Thanks Reg.
Ange was right in press conference about media slamming us or causing mischief. Media wouldnt touch liverpool with inflammatory questions. We get rough deal imo and those snakes merson, redknapp and carragher on sky. Alan Smith is subtle about his digs but hes still a cunt though.