Sport cannot be just about winning trophies/titles because it's impossible for everyone to win.
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Sport cannot be just about winning trophies/titles because it's impossible for everyone to win.
The whole goal of sport is winning.
A gladiator in the ring doesn’t win they die. Modern sport is more civilized than that but the same rules apply.
Sure there are other things to get from being B involved in Sport, like friendship, camaraderie, health benefits etc but the goal is winning.
If you didn’t win it wasn’t success. You can also make a great case that sports teach you how to deal with failure because normally people don’t win all the time.
It’s only in the biggest pro leagues where you get these oligopolies with the same clubs winning all the time.
Maddison better shut up, he's in no position to talk after two shit seasons.
Should never have signed him. Was so obvious but our club doesn't even know the meaning of due diligence.
This whole debate around League vs trophies, in the context of assessing Ange, somewhat relies on the notion that this current situation is a conscious decision.
It's not.
We have been gash all season long in the League, the 1-1 draw to kick things off at Leicester was shit, the 2-1 loss at Newcastle was shit. People were clinging on to pointless metrics that they somehow believed demonstrated that we "dominated" and would come good, but we were shit, and have gotten progressively worse.
That wasn't a conscious decision to save ourselves for the Europa Semis. The manager hasn't thrown the league in order to concentrate on the cups, he has had no say in the matter due to his ineptitude, and has been massively fortunate in receiving a ludicrously easy route to this stage of the Europa.
Sacrificing the league form to focus on the cups sees you drop a few places down the table, not freefall to relegation form.
We're just shit and have skanked our way to a promising position in a knockout competition. Nobody at the club should be patting themselves on the back for this. Bilbao will pick us off with ease should we make it to the Final, and I'd fully expect Utd to do us should we face them too.
As it happens, I reckon Bodo will save us the ignominy and boot us out without much fuss this round anyhow.
The debate is about winning trophies/titles.
If it's all about winning then you're saying that 99% of Sports teams/players are failures, that's not how it works - for example the 3 promoted clubs that came up this season, their target wasn't to win the Premier League or a domestic comp, it was to survive.
Name me another league in the football world or in fact another sport where every team/competitor would be classed as failures for not winning the prize come the end of the season.
2nd in PL + CL semis > 16th + EL win.
Thing is if he went to Newcastle, we'd be crying as to why we didn't sign him.
He's by no means a shit player, just in a system that doesn't get the best out of him.
Not getting a trophy trumps winning a trophy?
It's a real challenge to name a single player that this system does get the best out of.
Exactly. All this "next season will be relegation" and "this squad isn't good enough" is total bollocks. New manager with tactical know how and we'll be back up there.
Yes, if they don't win, then they failed.
In every sport, every participant bar 1 failed. That's how it works.
Some failures feel better than others, i.e. getting a medal at the Olympics, especially if you were an underdog to start with.
But second place is the first loser, whether anyone likes it or not.
So just to be clear, if Burnley don't win the Premier League next season, they're failures and they've failed their objective?
Nope. Never in a million years is second place in anything better than winning something at this level.
They failed to win the PL. If they manage to stay up they have successfully achieved that and it will be a moral victory but they failed to win the PL.
Yep.
When we we're finishing in the top 4 we all wanted a trophy. I don't know how suddenly finishing 2nd is the holy grail against winning a trophy. League position is shite, but a trophy and a champions league spot next season? We move on with that.
Of course.
As the saying goes, it’s the journey rather than the destination. Certainly in terms of being a supporter. The Poch years were so enjoyable because you saw the team develop and they generated the feeling that we might actually win something. Hope based on how we played, rather than hope based on a lucky draw. In short, the team was fucking brilliant.
I do think, in hindsight, we should have focussed on some of those FA Cup ties, but we were playing so well they earned the right to go for the biggest prize.
By the same standard, that’s why I feel so little with Ange and this team. They haven’t generated any of that sense of momentum. The football is fucking appalling. We find ourselves in a European semi final by a combination of luck and watered down competition.
It’s clearly silly to say the only point of football is winning, as if it’s a zero sum game and there is no joy to be taken elsewhere.
Doesn’t mean you shouldn’t try and win though.
Zidane? No thanks.
The other two would be unreal appointments, but they're better than us.