Serious question - did you actually watch matches back then?
Like, entire matches, week after week?
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Serious question - did you actually watch matches back then?
Like, entire matches, week after week?
The post you are replying to I said "If they avoid relegation they have achieved an objective on their path to winning the PL"
Staying up would be an objective, like getting European football would be for a club like Brighton but the goal of sport is to win.You can set objectives along the way but the whole point of sport is winning.
Second place is the first loser. You have to learn how to deal with failure if you play sport but hiding from it being a failure isn't going to get you any closer to winning.
I did, and would generally concur. Either that or he followed instructions well, as he was pretty fluid moving from CDM to middle of a back three depending on the situation. He didn't make his way into the England squad playing out of position (arguably) because he was shit.
It isn't or 99.9% of athletes ever would be failing in their goals.
There are lots of reasons people do sport, and loads of reasons people enjoy the sport of football. Your view is incredibly narrow, its the perspective of the average Madrid fan but not reflective of how most fans view football and what it means to them.
I hugely enjoyed the Pochettino years - hint of regret due to not winning anything but it didn't make it all pointless or a failed objective.
The marathon isn't a sport for 99.9% of the people involved in it. For the serious athletes actually competing in it, they re there to win it.
Obviously there are other benefits to getting involved in Sports but the whole point of sport is to try and win. If you fail to win then you also get to learn how to deal with failure.
The problem with this club and I'd day the entire mentality for a league like the PL (and other top leagues tbf) is that it's not about dealing with failure with the goal of succeeding in the future, it's about accepting failure as the only outcome so be happy with what you have.
Mate the England squad back then was fucking HORRENDOUS. We had no midfielders either. He got in to CDM in the same tournament a Jack Wilshere who hadn't played for an entire season was our go to rescue man for the Iceland disaster. Wayne Rooney was playing centre mid.
Dier at his absolute best was a decent but very limited utility player but his total lack of mobility has always been a weakness, we just had the athleticism and mobility around him back then.
But they are failing if they don't win. That's why there is only 1 winner and winning is worth working hard for.
Jesus, tell that to the Paralympian who has worked their entire life to get to that position and overcome a million hurdles to be there.
Sport is about lots of things, its not just win or lose and there are victories found in many elements of it.
Edit: Are Bodo Glimt failing in their objective if they don't win the Europa League? 4k stadium, miniscule budget. Obviously not, they're doing fucking incredibly and their fans will remember it for years and years ...
So a Paralympian who worked their entire life isn't there to win?
Why is a Paralympian any different to anyone working their entire life to qualify for the olympics?
Every single athlete that reaches that level is in the top 1% of the most driven and competitive people on the planet and they are ALL competing to win. All of them, every single time they train or enter a competition.
Yes, if Bodo don't win the the EL then they have failed to win the EL. They might feel better about reaching the SF because they are a small club and they should but they still failed to win it.
He was adequate in multiple positions, a great asset to an international tournament squad. A player who can cope at CB, RB and CM is very useful to that.
He was strong and passably quick. He wouldn't be totally left for dead but nowhere near the links of a King or VDV.
He was though, never what I would call an intelligent player. King was intelligent. Toby and Jan were intelligent. They could anticipate moves and cut out the danger before it even happened.
Dier just stands people up and tries to block their direct route to goal. Doesn't really tackle, doesn't really intercept passes. He's maybe another Dawson +5% or so. Dawson looked very good when King was there. Dawson didn't when King wasn't.
i'm sorry but i just don't get some of you. a fucking europa league cup against minnows in no way erases the pain of losing every other fucking match. it's been 18 months of misery and you guys are gonna go dance around after beating up on the hobbits and the elves? it's just pathetic. there have been many years where many didn't even want to qualify for this shit cup and now we're gonna act like it's worth losing 20+ fucking matches for? gtfoh.. i want to win every week. i want entertainment. i want to talk to my friends about football and banter with the rivals and shit on the losers. i've not been able to do that for months and now i'm supposed to act like winning the middle earth cup makes it all worth it? to me, it's you guys advocating for this cup that don't know what football and sport is all about. pathetic
OK - Ricky Bobby
"Dad, you told me if you're not FIRST you're LAST!" ...
"Hell Ricky I was high when I said that ... it doesn't make any sense at all ..."
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20iio0wLpPA
so happy for you and shady that you now have another narrow useless point to argue to the death. you're a soldier
Yes, King and Toby were both far better at reading the game - no doubt.
Jan needed Toby to be able to do what he wanted to do. Before Toby joined us, Jan would frequently advance out of position to attack or chase the attacker out wide - Toby partnered with him well because he read the danger in those situations and moved across to cover.
I've never suggested Dier was world class or as good a defender as King or Toby, but far too many people on here hate on him because of his last couple of seasons and forget he was an important part of what made us solid in Poch's initial formation.
This is a daft line that Richard Arlison and a few other Ange defenders trot out.
Yes, in a sense not winning a trophy is failure. But there are many types of success beyond winning "the trophy". Was it a success for Tottenham to go undefeated at our last season at WHL? Is it a success if a youth team who are getting gubbed train hard, improve their technique, fitness and cohesion and go on a winning run, even if it doesn't win them a trophy? Of course it is. And it's nothing to do with a loser's mentality. Quite the opposite.
It's laughable in truth. And actually betrays pretty limited life experience
making that cl final.. actually it was a loss! what a loser i am for celebrating
Seems more of a loser mentality to me to realise that you're not going to finish first and then just say "oh fuck it then, might as well be 17th...".
The aim at the start of every season should be to win 38 games, the moment you take that first loss, then the goal should become 37 wins, and so on... A winner doesn't lose one and then give up and go home, they wouldn't be sat in 16th with 19 defeats and just shrug it off as a waste of time either. A winner would be furious and determined to win the next one to save as much face as possible.
Its fucking incredible. There's chicken coups full of fucking chickens make more sense
Happy for you that you still found room to contribute.
You keep making the world a better place, Harry.