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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
Furball man said:
It’s quite simple really , we got 28 points in the whirlwind start after 10 then his tactics were worked out , we then got 38 points from 28 games , 1.3 points per game , if that were throughout the 23-24 season we’d have got 51 points , just below West Ham in 10th .

This decline has continued from 1.3 points per game to 1.05 points per game 👍

The Chelsea game last season was important but I also think the Wolves result & how they bullied us just after set the blueprint for other teams to follow .
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But if we were found out and so easy to beat, how did we manage to sit 4 points off 2nd after 12 games this season?

The fact of the matter is that the we had similar issues to this season. We lost VDV and Romero; and our replacements were an Dier, Davies and.....Royal playing CB.

And then we throw mud at the coach because Royal / Davies centre back is shit? It's Levy's fault for not signing decent players.
 
harry7 said:
But if we were found out and so easy to beat, how did we manage to sit 4 points off 2nd after 12 games this season?

The fact of the matter is that the we had similar issues to this season. We lost VDV and Romero; and our replacements were an Dier, Davies and.....Royal playing CB.

And then we throw mud at the coach because Royal / Davies centre back is shit? It's Levy's fault for not signing decent players.
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I’m not sure what the obsession with position after 12 games is ? Brighton were 5th , Palace 19th.

I do agree that the window left us short but just by watching some of the displays , it’s clear that tactically we were all over the place

And as StripiestPilot StripiestPilot says , we were 4 points from 14th
 
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harry7 said:
Vicario was injured vs City following a collision with Savinho. In the same game, Romero picked up his foot injury following a tackle.

Odobert, Davies, Werner, Udogie and Van De Ven all bad hamstrings. This would suggest issues with our medical department and conditioning of the players. A coach will expect players to give 100% on the pitch - it's the MEDICAL teams job to prepare them physically and sign them off fit to play.

I don't buy the argument that our players are getting injured because Ange asks them to run on the pitch. Spurs aren't the first team in football history whose players are expected to run for 90 minutes. For example, teams who play similar styles (Klopp's Liverpool, Bielsa's Leeds) NEVER suffered this level of injuries.

Also, we were dominating possession in all our early season games. 70%+ of the ball vs Newcastle and Woolwich for instance. We weren't spending the game chasing down balls and closing down the opposition. We were in control and dictating the pace of the game.
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Is that the same medical department that was supposedly replaced over summer? Interesting isn't it that we supposedly have had 2 different medical departments for Ange's 2 seasons and yet we've had the same (if not worse this season) problems with muscular injuries in both seasons?
Funny how you bring up Klopp's Liverpool given you can go back and quantify yourself that Liverpool suffered an unusually high number of muscular injuries in Klopp's first season as a result of his hard-pressing style. Ange himself has literally referenced his time at Celtic and how they suffered an abnormally high number of muscular injuries but it "balanced out" in his 2nd season because in his mind his players had grown accustomed to his high-intensity style. It's literally cognitive dissonance on your part to pretend that Ange is suffering from some form of once-in-a-lifetime historical bad luck, because he's not. He's just incredibly poor at managing the squad's match load on a player-by-player basis, always overusing the same players while others (Spence) who could have been useful the entire time were sat on the bench unable to get a look-in.

That last little paragraph really tickled me as well, firstly you've conjured that 70%+ figure from thin air; it was 66% vs Newcastle and 64% vs the scum, and we lost both of those games as well, so if we were so completely "in control" and "dictating the pace" of those games, why did we lose them? Is it possible that we in fact did have defending to do on the day? I can remember a handful of occasions in the Woolwich game alone where Woolwich's attack were 4v4 or 4v2 against our defence, luckily their finishing was complete dogshit on the day but they actually still fashioned the better chances in the game than we did, we had one decent early chance through Solanke then barely sniffed their goal for the remainder of the match.

We've conceded 59 league goals this season, it's beyond farcical to suggest that our possession stat means a single fucking thing when it comes to our defending. We are caught out by opposition attacks in 4v4 or worse situations multiple times a game every single fucking game. You'd know if you'd watched even one of our games this season how open we are at the back, and conversely how much harder the defence is having to work (AND RUN) to cover the ridiculous amount of space we leave in behind us game after game after game after game.

But sure, Ange is just historically unlucky...
 
Incomplete_usernam said:
“If you’re so dismissive of everything I have done, and I am here (in the Europa league final) then it doesn’t say much for the competition I’m in, either I’m doing something significant and I’ve earned the right, or this isn’t that big a deal anyway because anybody could do it.”

That statement is, frankly, laughable and reveals the exact kind of warped logic that makes Ange so frustrating for a lot of fans.

You can’t measure the quality of a manager solely by reaching one European final while actively presiding over a complete collapse in the league. We are 17th in the Premier League ffs and even if we weren’t, the idea that his presence in a cup final somehow invalidates any criticism is nonsense.

Plenty of managers have fluked cup runs while struggling domestically it’s the nature of knockout football. One-off games, favourable draws, or players turning up on the night don’t suddenly make you a managerial genius.

By Ange’s logic, if he gets to a final, his methods are beyond criticism and he deserves to be there but where’s that logic when we’re losing to teams we should be beating every week in the league?

It’s also incredibly arrogant (shock) he’s basically saying: “If I’m in a final, it must mean I’m brilliant, otherwise the final doesn’t mean much and the competition must be shit”

That’s not leadership; that’s a man trying to spin one success to cover for months of mediocrity. It’s insecurity masquerading as confidence, and it doesn’t wash imo.

By that logic, Roberto Di Matteo must have been a world-class manager because he won Chelsea the Champions League or the champions league can’t be that great of a competition? Must be really easy to win it ey? 😂.

Maybe, just maybe, finals don’t always reflect managerial greatness…
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Said it long time ago - he is as thick as pig shit.
But on positive side - he actually seems to believe it all.

I mean - again- COMBINED MARKET VALUE OF ALL TEAMS WE HAD TO BEAT TO GET TO EUROPA LEAGUE FINAL WAS 730 MEUR (vs ours 836 mEUR). And it came as a cost of EPL (!).

That has never been the case before. We've got to freaking Champions League final while being competitive in League (!). Monumentally different thing.

And I mean - it is plain and simple, Europa League is the lowest and weakest competition we are in this season. It is far weaker than Carabao Cup where in final there were Liverpool and Newcastle (!). I mean, yea, if you ask it that way - it doesnt mean much. Cause in order to go into final of weakest cup we have totally sacrificed the strongest competition. And this is not good enough. Like this manager is not good enough.
 
Remember when Jose essentially ended his elite level career by sacking that doctor Eva Carniero?

What if Ange falling out with and sacking our old head of Sports Medicine was him breaking some unwritten rule and all the injuries are because the medical teams in the PL are actually running a racket where they decide which teams can win through injuries and PEDs?
 
Admin said:
Could you stick him on ignore? He's not posting anything offensive, from what I've seen. I'm not banning someone because some of you think they're a troll. Cheers
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Oh come on guys, it's clearly trolling. He is going on ignore, but it just fills the thread up as others keep quoting his persistent trolling. A lot of people got sin binned yesterday, it feels harsh as the troll triggered them.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Remember when Jose essentially ended his elite level career by sacking that doctor Eva Carniero?

What if Ange falling out with and sacking our old head of Sports Medicine was him breaking some unwritten rule and all the injuries are because the medical teams in the PL are actually running a racket where they decide which teams can win through injuries and PEDs?
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Furball man said:
I’m not sure what the obsession with position after 12 games is ? Brighton were 5th , Palace 19th.

I do agree that the window left us short but just by watching some of the displays , it’s clear that tactically we were all over the place

And as StripiestPilot StripiestPilot says , we were 4 points from 14th
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Bending stats to fit an agenda.
Ange is the bestest manager ever because we were top in MW 8, 9 & 10 last week.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Remember when Jose essentially ended his elite level career by sacking that doctor Eva Carniero?

What if Ange falling out with and sacking our old head of Sports Medicine was him breaking some unwritten rule and all the injuries are because the medical teams in the PL are actually running a racket where they decide which teams can win through injuries and PEDs?
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Didn’t Jose call that doctor a daughter of a whore or something?

Classy
 
Bazali said:
Didn’t Jose call that doctor a daughter of a whore or something?

Classy
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Jose was at war with the squad and was looking for the sack/excuses to divert attention for himself.
He just lashed out in a media interview after the match to suggest they might not have dropped points if she hadn't ran on the pitch too eagerly.
What really happened, was that Hazard, as ever, had dived and feigned injury. She, as a medical practitioner, was doing what she should do.

Can we all take a moment as well to acknowledge how desperate he was to throw THIS young lady to the dogs.
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I'd be injured a lot if she was treating me.
 
harry7 said:
Vicario was injured vs City following a collision with Savinho. In the same game, Romero picked up his foot injury following a tackle.

Odobert, Davies, Werner, Udogie and Van De Ven all bad hamstrings. This would suggest issues with our medical department and conditioning of the players. A coach will expect players to give 100% on the pitch - it's the MEDICAL teams job to prepare them physically and sign them off fit to play.

I don't buy the argument that our players are getting injured because Ange asks them to run on the pitch. Spurs aren't the first team in football history whose players are expected to run for 90 minutes. For example, teams who play similar styles (Klopp's Liverpool, Bielsa's Leeds) NEVER suffered this level of injuries.

Also, we were dominating possession in all our early season games. 70%+ of the ball vs Newcastle and Woolwich for instance. We weren't spending the game chasing down balls and closing down the opposition. We were in control and dictating the pace of the game.
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They’ve never had to repeatedly run top to bottom of the pitch over and over? If we had been coached to press as a unit rather than headless chickens, we’d probably find it less attritional.

Also, none of the above teams play with the batshit pressing FBs, so easily undone by a long ball over the top, forcing everyone to sprint pretty much the distance of the pitch again.

Yes, medical staff are clearly partly responsible, but we didn’t have the same injuries with Poch who played a similarly pressing style to Klopp et al - ergo, as a lot of the medical staff are likely to be the same, the issue is likely to be what did change: the tactics.

You may not ‘buy it’ - every one (apart from two people - yourself and Ange) sees it clearly.
 
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