Manager Ange Postecoglou

[harry7]

Have to say, baring our relegation in the 70's that this is the worst league performance I've witnessed.
After Conte muri it was never to be a smooth transition, changing our style of play was never going to be an easy ride..that aligned with lady luck not smiling on us injury wise. Has made it a tough watch
Ultimately, I still think that the first team fully MATCH FIT is really decent and could challenge most and the plus from the injuries, is many hav got more minutes than they would have expected and pushed their development on. And arguably strengthening our squad depth
.I'm of the opinion that constantly sacking/changing managers isn't the answer.. contrary to many ignorant fans opinions, these guys ALL are trained and have eufa badges and if you know about, that it means they understand formations and changing them and all that that entails.. what is needed as per nearly ALL the successful clubs is a period of managerial stability. So for me getting rid of the manager isn't the answer
Saying that all managers accept that, unfortunately the prem is terminally a results unit and fans anger and ignorance to a large degree swayed by the media and social media .. so I'm with the manager and don't see him as an issue...

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Nice to read a balanced opinion.

This season really has been an exception. Fans seem to have forgotten that fixture congestion and the injury crisis meant that the squad was unable to train for 2 months.

"In a recent interview, he described the situation as “extreme,” noting that for over two months, players—including teenagers and senior squad members—were being asked to play Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday without rest. He emphasized that this relentless schedule left little room for proper training or recovery, contributing to a significant injury crisis"

I agree that this is not unusual for teams competing in Europe and, still in domestic cup competitions - but it is unusual to do this with so many players missing through injury.

Every season we see "top" teams dip out of the domestic cup competitions - a strategic decision to focus on Europe or the EPL. So, whilst I feel it was an insult to season ticket holders, ditching the EPL was a strategic decision to allow us to focus on the cup competitions. A risk that could pay huge dividends (Trophy + Champs Leage), but also one that carries huge risk (humiliation and lost EPL prize money).

I think if Ange were to stay next season, we would see a significant difference. If the players can remain fit, we have a good core of experienced players to handle the EPL, and some excellent young players who have had valuable experience this season to tackle the Cup comps.

 

[harry7]

He can have the credit if we win it. Personally I think both Amorim and Ange are ultimately failing coaches doing a monumentally crap job and neither one winning this cup will prove very much at all as the teams they’ve constructed are poor and lots of poor teams do win cups sometimes.

I’m aware this will not stop people from pretending winning a Europa league makes him a messiah, but there you go.

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Amorim, Ten Haag, Mourinho, Conte, Ange - all given squads of 800m+ value.

Are these all bad, failing coaches - or are there deeper issues at the club preventing progress? The appointment of these coaches who have been successful everywhere they have been shows that the core issue is NOT the coaching staff.

I get the impression that the playing squad is united against the club; and dislike Levy and the board - and from talking to United fans, the same seems to be going on at their end.

 

[Engorged Onion]

Nice to read a balanced opinion.

This season really has been an exception. Fans seem to have forgotten that fixture congestion and the injury crisis meant that the squad was unable to train for 2 months.

"In a recent interview, he described the situation as “extreme,” noting that for over two months, players—including teenagers and senior squad members—were being asked to play Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday without rest. He emphasized that this relentless schedule left little room for proper training or recovery, contributing to a significant injury crisis"

I agree that this is not unusual for teams competing in Europe and, still in domestic cup competitions - but it is unusual to do this with so many players missing through injury.

Every season we see "top" teams dip out of the domestic cup competitions - a strategic decision to focus on Europe or the EPL. So, whilst I feel it was an insult to season ticket holders, ditching the EPL was a strategic decision to allow us to focus on the cup competitions. A risk that could pay huge dividends (Trophy + Champs Leage), but also one that carries huge risk (humiliation and lost EPL prize money).

I think if Ange were to stay next season, we would see a significant difference. If the players can remain fit, we have a good core of experienced players to handle the EPL, and some excellent young players who have had valuable experience this season to tackle the Cup comps.

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Absolutely agree – this is such a well-rounded take. Emotional supporters (understandably) get caught up in the highs and lows, and often forget the context – like the brutal fixture congestion and injury crisis – because their passion creates natural biases. And that’s ok, it comes from a place of deep care for the club.

But it has been an exceptional season. Expecting peak performance without recovery or training for two months, especially while relying on youth players, was always going to come at a cost. It’s also true that other top teams often deprioritise certain competitions – so while the EPL drop-off felt harsh, it was a calculated gamble with potential for a big payoff.

If Ange stays and we get a fair run with injuries next season, the foundation is clearly there – experienced leaders and battle-hardened young players – to build something exciting.

 

[Dudski]

Absolutely agree – this is such a well-rounded take. Emotional supporters (understandably) get caught up in the highs and lows, and often forget the context – like the brutal fixture congestion and injury crisis – because their passion creates natural biases. And that’s ok, it comes from a place of deep care for the club.

But it has been an exceptional season. Expecting peak performance without recovery or training for two months, especially while relying on youth players, was always going to come at a cost. It’s also true that other top teams often deprioritise certain competitions – so while the EPL drop-off felt harsh, it was a calculated gamble with potential for a big payoff.

If Ange stays and we get a fair run with injuries next season, the foundation is clearly there – experienced leaders and battle-hardened young players – to build something exciting.

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Go back to the early part of this season before the wave of injuries and look at the record. The problems were evident long before the supposed reason for the failures. Back then, commentators were remarking on how easy it appeared to play against Spurs. The players often didn't appear prepared for the opponent and were quick to give up early goals and turn the ball over in bad positions. I agree, if Postecoglou is allowed to stay next season the record should improve. So then the question becomes, how high is the ceiling utilizing this system?

 

[Guy From The Lane]

history tells itself...

 

[harry7]

Go back to the early part of this season before the wave of injuries and look at the record. The problems were evident long before the supposed reason for the failures. Back then, commentators were remarking on how easy it appeared to play against Spurs. The players often didn't appear prepared for the opponent and were quick to give up early goals and turn the ball over in bad positions. I agree, if Postecoglou is allowed to stay next season the record should improve. So then the question becomes, how high is the ceiling utilizing this system?

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We were only 4 points behind 2nd place 1/3rd of the way into the season. However, the table was very congested with about 10 teams floating around the same points. But it's fair to say, we were in the mix. Up until half way through the season, we remained the top scoring team in the league. We did have some early results that didn't go our way, despite us being the better team - Woolwich, Newcastle, Brighton and Leicester come to mind.

I'm not sure that we were easy to play against. More so that teams sat back and surrendered the ball and then capitalized on errors - of which our players made many. I feel that if we could eliminate the individual errors, we would be a lot harder to play against.

How high is the ceiling? It's hard to imagine a squad will be able to topple the dominance of City and Liverpool. Woolwich will strengthen. We would need our young players to mature a little more to be consistent.

If we can add some experienced players in the summer in midfield to upgrade on Biss / Sarr I think we would be back in the top 6. However, if we wanted to earn a place in the top 4, we would need a world class keeper.

 

[Deleted member 16746]

And your advocating another change in management and yet another restructure?, surely we've lived through 2 many of them, and it's time to take/try another track.

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Well the choices are do another one and try to get it right this time, or continue to languish under this pub league manager

 

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...So, whilst I feel it was an insult to season ticket holders, ditching the EPL was a strategic decision to allow us to focus on the cup competitions. A risk that could pay huge dividends (Trophy + Champs Leage), but also one that carries huge risk (humiliation and lost EPL prize money).

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Yeah - it was a 'strategic decision' to play shit football and lose a record number of games. I'm not sure even your hero Ange would agree with that analysis.

 

[www]

I can't wait for The Post to take this bunch of Aussie Groupies away with him when he finally goes.

 

[Shadydan]

The thread got bombarded last night

 

[dudu]

So undeserved... Jol and Redknapp done so much more and got less.

Even poch didn't get this level of admiration despite us actually being a very competitive side.

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First, he did.

Second, Poch had at his disposal one of, if not the best Spurs team I have seen play together in my 40-odd years and failed constantly to get us over the line, in many cases against opposition we had every right to be beating.

 

[www]

Only 6 more sleeps until I can wake up to this...

Can't wait.

 

[The Extra Mile(sey)]

Nice to read a balanced opinion.

This season really has been an exception. Fans seem to have forgotten that fixture congestion and the injury crisis meant that the squad was unable to train for 2 months.

"In a recent interview, he described the situation as “extreme,” noting that for over two months, players—including teenagers and senior squad members—were being asked to play Thursday, Sunday, Thursday, Sunday without rest. He emphasized that this relentless schedule left little room for proper training or recovery, contributing to a significant injury crisis"

I agree that this is not unusual for teams competing in Europe and, still in domestic cup competitions - but it is unusual to do this with so many players missing through injury.

Every season we see "top" teams dip out of the domestic cup competitions - a strategic decision to focus on Europe or the EPL. So, whilst I feel it was an insult to season ticket holders, ditching the EPL was a strategic decision to allow us to focus on the cup competitions. A risk that could pay huge dividends (Trophy + Champs Leage), but also one that carries huge risk (humiliation and lost EPL prize money).

I think if Ange were to stay next season, we would see a significant difference. If the players can remain fit, we have a good core of experienced players to handle the EPL, and some excellent young players who have had valuable experience this season to tackle the Cup comps.

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Only a couple more days of your excrement to deal with before you fuck off

Can't wait

 

[Skippa18]

First, he did.

Second, Poch had at his disposal one of, if not the best Spurs team I have seen play together in my 40-odd years and failed constantly to get us over the line, in many cases against opposition we had every right to be beating.

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Poch was a huge reason that spurs team was one of the best You see play, he didn't quite get us over the line but he's easily the best spurs manager we've had in my lifetime.

 

[dudu]

Poch was a huge reason that spurs team was one of the best You see play, he didn't quite get us over the line but he's easily the best spurs manager we've had in my lifetime.

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He failed to get us over the line, you can dress it up how you want, mate. I loved watching us play under him a lot for 2 seasons, especially, but he failed to win things. He got it wrong at many crucial moments, and that is squarely on him - and it's ok to admit it. If he was a huge reason they were one of the best, then he was the reason we fell short.

Ange is gone, whatever happens tomorrow, but if we win the cup, he will have achieved more than Poch ever did here, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.

It doesnt mean I'm gonna be singing Ange's name, or want him to stay, but his name will go down in history on something very real-something Poch will never have.

 

[_mehstg]

He failed to get us over the line, you can dress it up how you want, mate. I loved watching us play under him a lot for 2 seasons, especially, but he failed to win things. He got it wrong at many crucial moments, and that is squarely on him - and it's ok to admit it. If he was a huge reason they were one of the best, then he was the reason we fell short.

Ange is gone, whatever happens tomorrow, but if we win the cup, he will have achieved more than Poch ever did here, which is pretty crazy when you think about it.

It doesnt mean I'm gonna be singing Ange's name, or want him to stay, but his name will go down in history on something very real-something Poch will never have.

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Like saying Ramos achieved more than Poch... Jesus, Ange may win a Europa but there is not a universe where anyone would put Ange's achievements ahead of Poch. The measurement of achievement is not just pots.

 

[Sir Archibald Crooks]

Here are his comments after we lost to Fulham in the League cup early last season. Such a snake oil salesman, just says whatever protects him most at any given time

“I’m here because I want to create a club that has the opportunity to win things on a yearly basis,” he said. “There’s a difference. Us winning a Carabao Cup and finishing 10th is not what I think this club is about.”

 

[dudu]

Like saying Ramos achieved more than Poch... Jesus, Ange may win a Europa but there is not a universe where anyone would put Ange's achievements ahead of Poch. The measurement of achievement is not just pots.

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I don't understand this sentiment from someone who is so vocal about our 'failures' in the ENIC thread and yet I have never seen you mention the clubs' 'achievements' of 'playing really well' to counter posters talking endlessly about our lack of trophies in there.

I loved peak Poch, but he achieved nothing - I ended every season with him disappointed that we didn't win something.

 

[Nuts]

think if Ange were to stay next season, we would see a significant difference. If the players can remain fit, we have a good core of experienced players to handle the EPL, and some excellent young players who have had valuable experience this season to tackle the Cup comps.

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Ok, let's say our best players have a good start. What happens when they start dropping? - because if we're in CL, they will for sure. No question. Ange has shown zero ability to coach the B team how to defend as a unit in times of crisis. Our midfield is one big gaper. What makes you think this will change? There is no evidence whatsoever.

 

[superspurs61]

What by keeping the worst manager we’ve had in 40 years?

That makes sense.

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I do love a rational balanced opinion.
Let's examine things ;
He inherited an ageing goalkeeper with no competition has he replaced and improved on that situation he/ they brought in a youngish unheard of Italian and a young hungry Kinsky,neither are better than Hugo at peak but imo there's genuine competition there now ...
A right wing back that was effective going forward but couldn't defend. For shit . is that situation improved.. has to be a yes
THe lack of a center bac pairing .. brought in van the man... Him and rom MATCH FIT
aBsolute top class
a left bac situation with possibilities. He's brought through Udu MATCH FIT absolutely TOP draw player
Spence a refugee under previous cantankerous management...we now have a player who can effectively cover both left and right bac .. not many of those around.
Midfield ... Lacked vision and creativity... Brought in Mad's match fit and on his day plays on a different level..
He's brought through sarr and brought somewhere near the best out of biss' whereas b4 under Conte I very rarely saw him make forward pass .. like he was absolutely afraid to f##c up, he is a bit hit and miss .. but he's showing signs of the player we thought he was
Johnson and gray.. I'm putting them together as I'm wondering if our director of football was a victim of buying the glossy image that nepotism can create and ignoring other factors . BOTH came from clubs that parents were entrenched in legendary status. And arguably were never going to fail there. whilst you cant argue with Johnsons goal scoring .. and his pace is unquestionable his overall skill set is not great. And gray .. ignoring the idolator lavish media attention he was given during his extended run .. it totally ignored that game in game out his errors that WERE costly .. and we've seen enuf recently to question if his skill set is up to the prem.. maybe with both ang will improve them . Time will tell
Ang lost 25 to 30 goals a season when kane left..which ever side of the fence you sit with kane .. THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT BLOW .. he/we needed reinforcements asap and in a limited market bought In a bang inform center forward at an over inflated price, who grafts and has 100% bought into the team ethic . BUT unfortunately as yet hasn't quite delivered.. tbh I've got a y class to get to and the dog needs walking so I've got to go. But there's loads more plus's that just make your pub manager quote look absolutely what it is.. Sunday morning pub talk.