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Mostly wrong said:
I think we have some idea. Their squad is unequivocally worth much less than ours and we're 17th.
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You seem to have an idea. I don’t.

Would Glasner have finished 5th the first season after Kane left? Hard to tell. Seems a very good coach though so he’d have had a chance.

Then again, most people thought he was getting sacked this summer when they struggled after selling Olise. They definitely went sideways in the PL this year.
 
Mostly wrong said:
I'm not saying it means nothing to them. I'm saying if you think the players would be incapable of contextualising the reasons for why he should go, and come to some level of understanding on behalf of the club and fans that it's for the best interests of the club, as highly, HIGHLY paid professionals, you're romanticising the relationship they've built with Ange in favour of actual cold, hard logic. 21 league defeats is that cold, hard logic. This is great for them, great for Ange, great for the fans. It's time to part ways and find a serious manager. There is no way we can build sustainable success getting turned over in more than half our league games, we are not going to get a run to a final that favourable again in a long, long time. We were insanely lucky to come up against a United side who are, on balance, even shitter than we are, despite being a point above us.
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No I am not, I have repeatedly said the last few days - he should probably go.


But cold hard logic NEEDS to have context - we have massively prioritised a competition in favour of another, the way other managers used to do for simply trying to get into the CL.

LUCK had nothing to do with anything and it feels like you are just making excuses as to why this trophy doesnt count because you're scared others and the owners are going to use it as a reason to keep him on.

I get it, but to not even be able to see for them, why it might be a hard choice, is kind of single-minded.

HE said he wanted to turn us into winners; he did what no one in recent times has done. Thats pretty fucking special and if you don't think that might be a stepping stone to building something then fine, but I bet the players do.
 
Bazali said:
Probably not ‘little’ either….
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Ohh I see you Bazali, you little minx you.

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Richard Arlison said:
You seem to have an idea. I don’t.

Would Glasner have finished 5th the first season after Kane left? Hard to tell. Seems a very good coach though so he’d have had a chance.

Then again, most people thought he was getting sacked this summer when they struggled after selling Olise. They definitely went sideways in the PL this year.
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That in itself is why I think Glasner has proven his mettle far beyond Ange. Glasner actually got to coach Olise for a few months, would likely have him factored into his plans and had to find a way to get a team performing that had just had its heart ripped out. Ange never managed Kane, so I don't really think it's terribly relevant to the conversation of how well he did in his first season with us. Not to mention the defence was far and away a more glaring issue both before and after Kane had left than the attack, particularly as Son was still playing very well last season up until he came back from the Asian Games. I'd say considering he had no European football to contend with, he actually somewhat underperformed last season considering we'd actually come 8th the year before with 3 different managers and a champions league campaign to contend with. He allowed a Villa Side that got to the ECL semis to finish ahead of us. We also went out of both cups early, so we weren't competitive on multiple fronts.
 
Mostly wrong said:
That in itself is why I think Glasner has proven his mettle far beyond Ange. Glasner actually got to coach Olise for a few months, would likely have him factored into his plans and had to find a way to get a team performing that had just had its heart ripped out. Ange never managed Kane, so I don't really think it's terribly relevant to the conversation of how well he did in his first season with us. Not to mention the defence was far and away a more glaring issue both before and after Kane had left than the attack, particularly as Son was still playing very well last season up until he came back from the Asian Games. I'd say considering he had no European football to contend with, he actually somewhat underperformed last season considering we'd actually come 8th the year before with 3 different managers and a champions league campaign to contend with. He allowed a Villa Side that got to the ECL semis to finish ahead of us. We also went out of both cups early, so we weren't competitive on multiple fronts.
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Glasner had no Europe to contend with this year
 
I don't know if this has been pointed out yet, but..

Has anyone else noticed that we're set to finish "top 4" in the Australian (upside-down) table and have qualified for the CL?

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We've seen it before with Ramos. Kept him on too long and it was 2 points from 8 games the following season. Could genuinely see that next season too. Players can talk about how happy they are and how much they're a family and playing for the manager, but that doesn't project out onto the pitch enough. Just says to me they're too comfortable. We've lost 25 games in all comps this season. Winning a major trophy doesn't negate that for me. Some of the results this season have been a disgrace, Ipswich, Leicester at home, Everton, Tamworth, wolves home and away.

Again, this doesn't mean I'm not grateful to Ange and will always have love for him for getting us over the line. But I don't think he's the guy to get us to the top. He's certainly never going to win the pl and/or CL in the next 5 years.
 
JimothyCF14 said:
All of you just need to take a fucking minute to enjoy the trophy. I cannot grasp how this moment has become a massive cunt off about who is right about what and who.

And there's certain cunts on here deliberately pouring petrol on the fire and they know who they are.
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Can't be talking about me mate, I'm not the one dismissing this trophy and doing my level best to pour scorn on this manager in here ;)
 
I have to say that if the club do go down the route of parting ways with AP, Glasner would be my choice.

However, it's completely out of our control, so arguing about it on a fan forum is a pointless exercise.
 
This place can be quite strange , our most important trophy since 91 some might even say since the UEFA Cup victory at the Lane and people are slagging each other off. Ok for seventeen years maybe people had nothing better to do, but how any fan isn’t just revelling in our victory right now baffles me .
 
The most unfortunate scenario we have now; we can't compare serial winner Jose Mourinho to Ange. Levy didn't give Jose the chance, sacked 6 days before the Caraboa cup final.
 
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