Manager Ange Postecoglou

[CJJ]

Oooo almost like he was facing 98 point Liverpool and not 16th placed crisis United. Also we were eye bleedingly dreadful against United, they’re just fucking shit mate so we got away with it by dribbling one over the line and doing nothing else and parking a bus.

Poch played the second string in Europa because back then the club were like ‘bro it’s the Europa’ and if he’d thrown everything at just that he’d have been sacked on the spot.

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TBF Liverpool weren't that great in that final, either.

The main difference between 2019 and 2025 was down to one simple thing: the mentality. People blame the club for it, but it's totally a manager thing. Jose and Conte had the "but it's spurs" thing where he was like "I usually manage big clubs, but this is Spurs", Poch was like "you can't expect me to win things with these players".

Ange, whilst being completely useless in the league, went at the final with the "You can and will win this" and it showed in the efforts. That Micky clearance, the yards Richi and Biss put in. They played like we did under Nuno against City when Kane was or wasn't skiving.

 

[dudu]

"Organization too."

Are you on fucking crack???

" You're not as clever as you make yourself out to be."

I am you know.

"But mostly, its just years of experience of winning things and knowing how to get teams over the line. You cant buy that or teach it."

So, Aura? An intangible?

Convenient.

He just had to... be there.

"Poch couldn't do it could he?? He didnt have any experience in doing so and he shit the bed many many times in high pressure games."

Poch is another Ego hound who got what he deserved (fans deserved the cup) for treating Moura with utter contempt and ungratefulness and making a terrible footballing decision because he was high on his own farts.

"Biggest final in my living memory and the team put in a completely soulless performance that made my eyes bleed."

I know, unlike the scintillating EL final.

What evidence do you have that Mason and Wells would have won it?

As much as I have that Ange's aura got us over the line and not the players after being given just the most basic level of structure to perform in, which allowed them to get the job done with the qualities they do have.

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Lol

But Ange did it. Mason couldn't. Poch couldn't.

Experience isn't intangible. I know being stubborn is your thing here but your being unable to understand how someone who has won multiple things before would have more chance of winning something than two people that never have is a you problem.

To anyone who had any doubt as to whether you're someone who gets football or you're just another one of the I have to always be right brigade... this convo squarely shows them.

 

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Ange had had experience managing teams through high level, high stress situations.... given teams talks in the situations.

The thing he did before the final with the messages from players families.... that's team building and understanding players needs which comes from experience.

I guess my question to you is what makes you think Mason and Wells would have?

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That's your view. Myself, I believe Ange is a massively competent a well-practised bullshitter - a true pro amongst pro's. He may even have bullshitted his way into avoiding the sack, in the short term. Hopefully not.

 

[Harry Vaginola]

my god we started a winks and sissoko midfield and a limping kane in that final after a season that went off the rails months before. even with all that poch's tactics still make ange look like a gym teacher. pressing triggers? possession? gtfoh

 

[thinktank]

Lol

But Ange did it. Mason couldn't. Poch couldn't.

Experience isn't intangible. I know being stubborn is your thing here but your being unable to understand how someone who has won multiple things before would have more chance of winning something than two people that never have is a you problem.

To anyone who had any doubt as to whether you're someone who gets football or you're just another one of the I have to always be right brigade... this convo squarely shows them.

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Ok, then how did Ange's experience manifest itself to do what Mason and Wells wouldn't have been able to?

No one seems to be able to offer me any actual substance regarding this.

I don't think I've been unreasonable.

Just looking for clear answers that make actual sense.

 

[Deuterz]

TBF Liverpool weren't that great in that final, either.

The main difference between 2019 and 2025 was down to one simple thing: the mentality. People blame the club for it, but it's totally a manager thing. Jose and Conte had the "but it's spurs" thing where he was like "I usually manage big clubs, but this is Spurs", Poch was like "you can't expect me to win things with these players".

Ange, whilst being completely useless in the league, went at the final with the "You can and will win this" and it showed in the efforts. That Micky clearance, the yards Richi and Biss put in. They played like we did under Nuno against City when Kane was or wasn't skiving.

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The main difference was quality and the standard cup final stuff like not conceding a bullshit penalty within a minute.

It's not all mentality. Liverpool didn't have to play that well but they had the inherent quality to worry us and they had the individual defenders who didn't make a single error all game and a brilliant goalkeeper. United had Onana and Luke Shaw doing their routine.

If Ange had come up against that Liverpool team in the same final, we'd have been pummelled. United were a gift of a team to play.

 

[CJJ]

The main difference was quality and the standard cup final stuff like not conceding a bullshit penalty within a minute.

It's not all mentality. Liverpool didn't have to play that well but they had the inherent quality to worry us and they had the individual defenders who didn't make a single error all game and a brilliant goalkeeper. United had Onana and Luke Shaw doing their routine.

If Ange had come up against that Liverpool team in the same final, we'd have been pummelled. United were a gift of a team to play.

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Liverpool fans could also argue the opposite about the 2019 final. It doesn't matter at the end of the day.

The mentality of conceding a penalty early on was another example of what I mean. We wilted. If we'd have got the penalty ourselves, we all damn well know we'd have been bricking it for the full 90 expecting a liverpool reaction.

If Poch had gone into that game saying we were going to win it, we'd have performed 10x better

 

[Deuterz]

Liverpool fans could also argue the opposite about the 2019 final. It doesn't matter at the end of the day.

The mentality of conceding a penalty early on was another example of what I mean. We wilted. If we'd have got the penalty ourselves, we all damn well know we'd have been bricking it for the full 90 expecting a liverpool reaction.

If Poch had gone into that game saying we were going to win it, we'd have performed 10x better

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Just saying things doesn't make it true. It has to be believable.

Liverpool were an extremely capable team who had finished on 98 points and were one of Europe's finest teams with an incredibly stable core. World class centre back, defensive mid, goalkeeper, right winger, world class coach. Of course they believed they would win more than the team who had barely scraped fourth.

Ange came across a team who yes, have the history and name of Manchester United, but the reality was an out of his depth coach with zero elite level experience, a patchwork squad which was one place above us in the league, who we had already beaten numerous times in the season. Of course our squad believed !!!

If we'd played even say this seasons Newcastle in that final, I highly doubt we win no matter how many times Ange says we could .. because Howe is saying the same fucking thing and he has a stronger team which has beaten us already and is way higher in the league.

 

[WillWilliams]

TBF Liverpool weren't that great in that final, either.

The main difference between 2019 and 2025 was down to one simple thing: the mentality. People blame the club for it, but it's totally a manager thing. Jose and Conte had the "but it's spurs" thing where he was like "I usually manage big clubs, but this is Spurs", Poch was like "you can't expect me to win things with these players".

Ange, whilst being completely useless in the league, went at the final with the "You can and will win this" and it showed in the efforts. That Micky clearance, the yards Richi and Biss put in. They played like we did under Nuno against City when Kane was or wasn't skiving.

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I think the one main difference was the penalty against us in the first minute!

Giving a one goal head start to a team who had the best defensive record in the premier league that season.

 

[LLB Part Deux]

Going into the 2019 final we were in bad form in the league. We rode our luck in the knockout phases and then faced THE in-form team in Europe playing an incredible system of overlapping wide players and a strong press.

Sissoko made a mistake early, Liverpool scored and then the rest of the final was mostly us - but with no real creativity in the middle and an unfit Kane we couldn't turn our possession dominance into goals. That performance would still have been easily enough to win the EL against Man U.

 

[Nabil Bentaleb]

17th in the league is too diabolical too give another season to the guy. I wouldn’t be happy with a 10th place finish but with the Europa win I will be over it quickly. 17th is just so embarrassing. I don’t see this guy making finish at least 10-12 positions above next year. No chance

 

[FightingIllini]

good tacticians have plans and counter plans, etc. they react to what is before them in the match. kamikaze ball gets us ripped to shreds most games so you have to find a balance and ange has shown he can't or won't do that. i lean towards can't. and we've seen what he's come up with to defend deeper and it produces 1 shot a game. again, people who know what they're doing don't put forth tactics and performances like that.

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"Angeball is naive and will always get punished too much at the elite level to threaten the sharp end of the table plus it can't be sustained physically against elite sides 50 games a season" is a totally reasonable argument.

"Ange reverting to parking the bus away in Europe was ham-fisted desperation by a dead manager walking" is also a perfectly reasonable argument. That it succeeded on the strength of weak opponents and good fortune is glorious for us, but hardly sustainable.

If we sack him I am genuinely fine with that and won't complain. I have a lot of skepticism and tend to believe that Wednesday night Ange delivered the best thing he can ever offer the club and think we might be wise to thank him for it and just move on.

But the arguments of the Ange haters in here (mostly not you) are so laughably poor I find myself defending him.

 

[78Spur]

"Angeball is naive and will always get punished too much at the elite level to threaten the sharp end of the table plus it can't be sustained physically against elite sides 50 games a season" is a totally reasonable argument.

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This statement bothers me a lot, Angeball is not naive, he's been a manager for decades and the tactic is one he's used many times before.

His system accepts you'll give up chances and for that you wil create more, so the logic is risk v reward. This is why I don't believe he ever critices the defence, because he expects we'll be open occasionally.

His system doesn't work because premier league opposition is much more ruthless than the Scottish League or J League, that's not a critique of other leagues, it's just physics, the attacking quality of the Prem is way faster, more varied and productive than these other leagues. It's not naivety, it's a failure to adapt.

 

[Spursidol]

Only two managers at the north London club have had worse seasons in the league than Ange since 1958 :

- In the 1958/59 season under Bill Nicholson, Spurs finished 18th in his first campaign with 36 points from 42 matches with 19 defeats, and
- In 1977 Tottenham ended up 22nd, losing 21 games under Keith Burkinshaw in his first year in charge and were relegated.

Both of two of our greatest ever managers, and of course both winners of all our previous european trophies.

It may not be as clear cut a decision as some posters would have us believe

 

[CJJ]

I think the one main difference was the penalty against us in the first minute!

Giving a one goal head start to a team who had the best defensive record in the premier league that season.

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Maybe, but let's just use this season as an example that the PL form of a club is nigh on irrelevant to its cup form

 

[Harry Vaginola]

"Angeball is naive and will always get punished too much at the elite level to threaten the sharp end of the table plus it can't be sustained physically against elite sides 50 games a season" is a totally reasonable argument.

"Ange reverting to parking the bus away in Europe was ham-fisted desperation by a dead manager walking" is also a perfectly reasonable argument. That it succeeded on the strength of weak opponents and good fortune is glorious for us, but hardly sustainable.

If we sack him I am genuinely fine with that and won't complain. I have a lot of skepticism and tend to believe that Wednesday night Ange delivered the best thing he can ever offer the club and think we might be wise to thank him for it and just move on.

But the arguments of the Ange haters in here (mostly not you) are so laughably poor I find myself defending him.

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he's naive, ham fisted and desperate. cool we agree!

 

[Spaniel]

my god we started a winks and sissoko midfield and a limping kane in that final after a season that went off the rails months before. even with all that poch's tactics still make ange look like a gym teacher. pressing triggers? possession? gtfoh

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I've always had a feeling that Kane was picked for internal political reasons but I'm sure he insisted on playing...he had a lot of influence at the club than. .something definitely wasn't kosher about that decision...

 

[BlackLips]

This statement bothers me a lot, Angeball is not naive, he's been a manager for decades and the tactic is one he's used many times before.

His system accepts you'll give up chances and for that you wil create more, so the logic is risk v reward. This is why I don't believe he ever critices the defence, because he expects we'll be open occasionally.

His system doesn't work because premier league opposition is much more ruthless than the Scottish League or J League, that's not a critique of other leagues, it's just physics, the attacking quality of the Prem is way faster, more varied and productive than these other leagues. It's not naivety, it's a failure to adapt.

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Sounds like you just said he’s not naive but then proceeded to describe naive. It’s naive to think that you can give up so many easy chances and win at the top level.

 

[Harry Vaginola]

Lol

But Ange did it. Mason couldn't. Poch couldn't.

Experience isn't intangible. I know being stubborn is your thing here but your being unable to understand how someone who has won multiple things before would have more chance of winning something than two people that never have is a you problem.

To anyone who had any doubt as to whether you're someone who gets football or you're just another one of the I have to always be right brigade... this convo squarely shows them.

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i think mason played at a much higher level than ange his entire life and knows the game much better. maybe he can't tug at the heartstrings and tell the squad to do it for your mom like ange but i suspect mason knows much, much more about tactics than ange. is it all tactics? of course not, but suggesting ange is some kind of wise old soul who's seen it all is ludicrous

 

[FightingIllini]

This statement bothers me a lot, Angeball is not naive, he's been a manager for decades and the tactic is one he's used many times before.

His system accepts you'll give up chances and for that you wil create more, so the logic is risk v reward. This is why I don't believe he ever critices the defence, because he expects we'll be open occasionally.

His system doesn't work because premier league opposition is much more ruthless than the Scottish League or J League, that's not a critique of other leagues, it's just physics, the attacking quality of the Prem is way faster, more varied and productive than these other leagues. It's not naivety, it's a failure to adapt.

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This is all a good expression of what I was intending to convey with "naive".

To succeed with Angeball-like tactics at the PL/CL level would require a flexibility and subtlety that Ange hasn't shown and spends 10 minutes of every press conference insisting he'll never develop.

i think mason played at a much higher level than ange his entire life and knows the game much better.

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And then someone says some absolute laughable bullshit like this and I'm back in Ange Army