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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%
  • Total voters
    113
McCOYS said:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8396fYvb-A

If this is anything to go by it looks like there's a momentum for Postecoglou to stay.
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Here’s what it seems like to me;

Levy and the club had Frank lined up because they expected us to lose. Remember Levy had watches made before 2019 that said “Finalists “ and gave them to the players BEFORE the game. Levy never cares about nor expects to win. Ange and this team broke the mould.

When we won it threw a spanner in the works and now they are in trouble. Levy thought he could leave it to cool down and more Spurs fans would want him gone but the opposite has happened. The more time has passed, the more Spurs fans have realized what a monumental shift it was for the club and the expectations it raised. I’m seeing more and more looking at the options to replace him and realizing they’d prefer Ange to stay if someone like Frank or Silva is the replacement.

As usual, Levy has misread the situation and it’s only getting worse the longer he dithers
 
dudu said:
The Poch final - the performance was terrible - sure they were the better team but it was just a terrible managerial performance from him - lacked any inspiration, and ideas - nothing... This was quite consistent from him in semi-finals and finals..... its ok to lose if it feels like we're actually competing, I guess....

Also, the Chelsea game was a semi-final vs a team we had beaten 2-0 a couple of months earlier - he played Son WB weirdly and started Walker on the bench.
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I think the CL final was ruined by the heat, the fact the players had 3 weeks to lose their sharpness, and a bizarre handball that completely killed us. Liverpool were no better than us, from what I recall.

The Chelsea semi, Poch absolutely dropped a bollock that day.
 
KingstonSpur said:
I think the CL final was ruined by the heat, the fact the players had 3 weeks to lose their sharpness, and a bizarre handball that completely killed us. Liverpool were no better than us, from what I recall.

The Chelsea semi, Poch absolutely dropped a bollock that day.
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yeah it wasnt a great final - but our perfoamces towards theend of that season were dogshite forthemost part - Poch had just run out of ideas.

People get very blinded by the feeling of coming back from basically being out of the CL vs Ajax and mistake that high feeling with one that we were somehow in form and playing well at that time. Don't get me wrong - the comeback was incredible - inspired - i was buzzing for days - but that doesn't mean we were a good footballing outfit at that time.
 
Richard Arlison said:
Here’s what it seems like to me;

Levy and the club had Frank lined up because they expected us to lose. Remember Levy had watches made before 2019 that said “Finalists “ and gave them to the players BEFORE the game. Levy never cares about nor expects to win. Ange and this team broke the mould.

When we won it threw a spanner in the works and now they are in trouble. Levy thought he could leave it to cool down and more Spurs fans would want him gone but the opposite has happened. The more time has passed, the more Spurs fans have realized what a monumental shift it was for the club and the expectations it raised. I’m seeing more and more looking at the options to replace him and realizing they’d prefer Ange to stay if someone like Frank or Silva is the replacement.

As usual, Levy has misread the situation and it’s only getting worse the longer he dithers
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I think this is exactly what's happened although I don't think he expected us to lose, I just think they didn't expect the reaction and support from the players and the fans especially at the parade, now they are unsure what to do.
 
CJJ said:
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/ange-postecoglou.48121/page-4410#post-4963658
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If that is the answer then we are seriously fucked. If we go down the Frank route we are basically saying that winning is no longer the priority. Adaptable, Pragmatic, Functional in other words... fucking boring, predictable shit. If you strip away the infrastructure and assets and look at the football team then maybe we are Brentford which is why Levy might be interested in Frank. The odd win once a season against a bigger club but beats enough of the shit to stay firmly intrenched in mid table. Sacrifice domestic cups to ensure we never reach 7th but never drop below 12th. Great. Furthermore, having watched his team against us this season, I came away wondering why 18 other managers in the PL could beat us and he couldn't even when the cards were stacked in his favour!!!
 
_mehstg said:
Sacking Ange is the right thing to do. Replacing him with Frank is the equivalent of trading in your shitty Ford Fiesta for an equally shitty Peugeot 205.
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If you want to paint it as a vehicle analogy, it seems to me more accurate to suggest that it's like swapping a slightly older model speedy sports car, lacking in mod cons but still capable of going fast when everything works, but everything only works like 20% of the time, most of the time it won't even start, and it definitely won't drive you to the weekly shop for some reason, for a reliable but not very exciting hatchback.
 
patras said:
So Spurs go through a series of managers searching for a long awaited manager to win a cup.

Manager achieves cup success and they sack him.

What does that even mean for future managers? Win us champions league and you still face the sack? Finish top 4 trophyless and still face the sack?

There needs to be stability. Back your managers if they can bring you success.
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I think the extent to which the league season was catastrophic was the reason. Ange finishes 10th -a normally bad position for us his job wouldn’t be in question.
 
StripiestPilot said:
If we had finished in the top half, Ange wouldn't be getting sacked.

A serious club cannot finish 17th with 38 points and point to a lesser trophy like the Europa League as a reason to ignore the disgusting performance in the league. That is pure West Ham, small-time mentality.

If we want to have a team that justifies a £1600 season ticket, we need a different manager (along with some top signings). The best way to bring success is to be a good team, not a shit one.
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Correct.
 
StripiestPilot said:
If we had finished in the top half, Ange wouldn't be getting sacked.

A serious club cannot finish 17th with 38 points and point to a lesser trophy like the Europa League as a reason to ignore the disgusting performance in the league. That is pure West Ham, small-time mentality.

If we want to have a team that justifies a £1600 season ticket, we need a different manager (along with some top signings). The best way to bring success is to be a good team, not a shit one.
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This should be so obvious that it doesn't need to be written.

I don't know how this perverse argument that fans that want to be better than 17th in the league are losers who don't want to win trophies has gained so much traction.
 
Herclueless said:
If you want to paint it as a vehicle analogy, it seems to me more accurate to suggest that it's like swapping a slightly older model speedy sports car, lacking in mod cons but still capable of going fast when everything works, but everything only works like 20% of the time, most of the time it won't even start, and it definitely won't drive you to the weekly shop for some reason, for a reliable but not very exciting hatchback.
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you can take your old speedy sports car to the garage and fix her up... the not very exciting hatchback will always be a not very exciting hatchback.
 
dudu said:
Also, the Chelsea game was a semi-final vs a team we had beaten 2-0 a couple of months earlier - he played Son WB weirdly and started Walker on the bench.
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No we played and lost a League Cup final in Poch's first season against Mourinho's title winning Chelsea.

There have of course been many occasions in semis and earlier rounds where we lost games we shouldn't have, that happens to every manager. Redknapp lost an FA Cup semi to Portsmouth, Ange lost in the Carabao 3rd round to Fulham, Poch lost to Coventry, Conte to Sheffield United it happens to everyone. Ange produced one of the worst 90 minutes in football history against Tamworth this very season and was only saved by a goal line clearance at the end.

Anyway my point is simply that Ange's predecessors who lost finals had to deal not only with the trophy drought hoodoo but also far, far better opponents. Credit to Ange for dealing with the former (which I didn't think we would do) but let's also acknowledge the latter.

_mehstg said:
If that is the answer then we are seriously fucked. If we go down the Frank route we are basically saying that winning is no longer the priority. Adaptable, Pragmatic, Functional in other words... fucking boring, predictable shit. If you strip away the infrastructure and assets and look at the football team then maybe we are Brentford which is why Levy might be interested in Frank. The odd win once a season against a bigger club but beats enough of the shit to stay firmly intrenched in mid table. Sacrifice domestic cups to ensure we never reach 7th but never drop below 12th. Great. Furthermore, having watched his team against us this season, I came away wondering why 18 other managers in the PL could beat us and he couldn't even when the cards were stacked in his favour!!!
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Liverpool just won a league title playing adaptable, pragmatic, functional football. The most important thing is to win the games.
 
I cannot believe there is no clarity on this farcical situation 2 weeks on.

The club is absolutely shambolic.

Postecoglou should 100% be sacked in my opinion, and keeping him at the club for even one game into a new season is retrograde and will damage us.

The arguments have all been made, the evidence is there for those who make the key decisions to see. A Europa trophy is stupendous but 17th cannot cover up the paucity of 38 games, even if you can arguably dismiss 3 of the later defeats.

But come on, let's not face another weekend not knowing.

How can this be the right way to treat fans of this great club???
 
_mehstg said:
If that is the answer then we are seriously fucked. If we go down the Frank route we are basically saying that winning is no longer the priority. Adaptable, Pragmatic, Functional in other words... fucking boring, predictable shit.
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Remind us how it went hiring so-called serial winners.
Or hiring the crazy gung-ho attacking manager we have now.


It doesn't suggest familiary with Thomas Frank or Brentford if you think that is "fucking boring, predictable shit."
Joint 5th for most goals scored this season (2 more goals that "just score lots of goals, mate")
 
patras said:
So Spurs go through a series of managers searching for a long awaited manager to win a cup.

Manager achieves cup success and they sack him.

What does that even mean for future managers? Win us champions league and you still face the sack? Finish top 4 trophyless and still face the sack?

There needs to be stability. Back your managers if they can bring you success.
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Don't finish 17th in the league with less points than is traditionally needed to stay up.
 
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