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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
It's a recognition that you have to calibrate your assessment based on all the competitive games he's played, the standard of competition, and the direction of travel.

The trophy is great yes. But it's part of the story. It does not mean we will win another one next year. It does not mean our league form will magically improve dramatically.
This.

Ange and his reign is a paradox. He's somehow both one of our best managers for breaking the trophy drought, but his league performances makes him arguably our worst ever manager since they introduced 3 points for a win at the least.
 
I think this is exactly what's happened although I don't think he expected us to lose, I just think they didn't expect the reaction and support from the players and the fans especially at the parade, now they are unsure what to do.

Whether he did or didn’t, he’s in a mess and is dithering hard.

If he didn’t expect such a strong reaction, that just shows how disconnected he is from the way that fans and players think about football.

And if you are going to make a ruthless decision regardless of what the players and fans think, then just fucking do it and live with being unpopular. If you believe the manager you chose will win things then go with them…

Problem is, appointing Frank or Silva also betrays his lack of ambition and Ange winning EL makes it look even worse if it is Frank or Silva.
 
Remind us how it went hiring so-called serial winners.
Or hiring the crazy gung-ho attacking manager we have now.


It doesn't suggest familiary with Thomas Frank or Brentford if you think that is "fucking boring, predictable shit."
Joint 5th for most goals scored this season (2 more goals that "just score lots of goals, mate")

Goals scored isn’t good football

Our conte/Stellini disaster team scored more than Brentford this season
 
Whether he did or didn’t, he’s in a mess and is dithering hard.

If he didn’t expect such a strong reaction, that just shows how disconnected he is from the way that fans and players think about football.

And if you are going to make a ruthless decision regardless of what the players and fans think, then just fucking do it and live with being unpopular. If you believe the manager you chose will win things then go with them…

Problem is, appointing Frank or Silva also betrays his lack of ambition and Ange winning EL makes it look even worse if it is Frank or Silva.

He's never been ruthless, he's always swayed to fan pressure and optics and it tells you about his leadership, he doesn't and never had a plan, it's more about making himself and the board look good by taking pressure off them.
 
He's never been ruthless, he's always swayed to fan pressure and optics and it tells you about his leadership, he doesn't and never had a plan, it's more about making himself and the board look good by taking pressure off them.

His only plan is the economic model of the club and he sticks to that.

Everything else, like you said, is about the optics being good enough to keep the pressure off his economic model.

That EL win also puts pressure on more trophies to follow it, which is another disaster for the economic model
 
The club comes first.

Always with us some bloody reason for delay.

Yes, the club comes first. Not addressing internet gossip or rushing through decisions when the new football administration hasn't been put together yet.

"Hey everyone - I know we've got some directors leaving, the new CEO coming in, the Chief Football Officer leaving at the end of the month, squad on end of season holiday, losing one of our key first team coaches - but a bunch of virgins on the internet are getting impatient so can we just flip a coin or something?"
 
No we played and lost a League Cup final in Poch's first season against Mourinho's title winning Chelsea.

There have of course been many occasions in semis and earlier rounds where we lost games we shouldn't have, that happens to every manager. Redknapp lost an FA Cup semi to Portsmouth, Ange lost in the Carabao 3rd round to Fulham, Poch lost to Coventry, Conte to Sheffield United it happens to everyone. Ange produced one of the worst 90 minutes in football history against Tamworth this very season and was only saved by a goal line clearance at the end.

Anyway my point is simply that Ange's predecessors who lost finals had to deal not only with the trophy drought hoodoo but also far, far better opponents. Credit to Ange for dealing with the former (which I didn't think we would do) but let's also acknowledge the latter.



Liverpool just won a league title playing adaptable, pragmatic, functional football. The most important thing is to win the games.

Ange's predecessors also had much better teams at their disposal and failed to show up and give us anything in those big games.

Poch is not a closer. He just isn't - I've watched him bottle it in too many big games -
 
Yes, the club comes first. Not addressing internet gossip or rushing through decisions when the new football administration hasn't been put together yet.

"Hey everyone - I know we've got some directors leaving, the new CEO coming in, the Chief Football Officer leaving at the end of the month, squad on end of season holiday, losing one of our key first team coaches - but a bunch of virgins on the internet are getting impatient so can we just flip a coin or something?"

Point taken.

The situation needs resolving.
 
I mean, sure, it is not poor shooting but it still has nothing to do with an invisible force called luck.

its shooting that is not quite hitting the target that the player needs to adjust for.
I think you need to get beyond this idea that it is an "invisible force." It is just a word attributed to either good fortune or misfortune. Things going wrong is a statistical probability that can be reduced by practice. However, if you consistently buck the trend in either direction, it's either labelled as good or bad luck.

It's really not that deep.
 
The club comes first.

Always with us some bloody reason for delay.
Levy and Ange are both on holiday - everyone's entitled to a Summer break aren't they?
And assuming your wish is granted, would you like to be sacked by text when you're on holiday? Or if it comes to that would you like to sack your senior manager by text if you were on holiday?
Give the man a break - the club doesn't necessarilly always come first.
 
If that is the answer then we are seriously fucked. If we go down the Frank route we are basically saying that winning is no longer the priority. Adaptable, Pragmatic, Functional in other words... fucking boring, predictable shit.
Wow.

Possibly our best manager in the last 30 years, Poch, was very similar. For Frank's BFC read Poch's Saints. Mid table, exceeding expectations, practical, pragmatic.

Or AFCB's Howe. mid table, exceeding expectations bla bla.

Poch became our best manager with very low net spend. We've basically built the new stadium on the back of his CL qualifications.

Howe has completely revamped a moribund NUFC after 3 years of the dead hand of, checks notes, Steve Bruce. First cup since 1955 FFS.

Frank ticks the boxes that these guys did. Probably more: he hasn't had a relegation unlike Howe; he's got a promotion unlike Poch.

And in terms of being boring - they've scored 66: MORE goals than Chavs, and ONLY 3 FEWER than goons. More than us of course.

3rd highest London team behind just those 2. Bonkers acheivment. But hey, his record against the top 6 is poor. Yeah, let's black ball him for that.
 
I’m not Ange In but I can’t see the point at this time of losing him and replacing him with a middle level manager who has never won anything.
Having said that, if he’s in I suspect he’ll be out by Xmas.

I think you’ve answered your own question there, and that’s the reason why I firmly believe he should be sacked even if his replacement is some middling manager like Frank or Silva. If he stays then it’s an emotional rather than pragmatic decision, and it’s almost inevitable he won’t see out the entirety of the new season. Therefore why lose yet another season in a state of flux?
 
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