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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 73 64.6%
  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.4%

  • Total voters
    113
No, it wasn't initially.

That's what happens when you (you in particular to be honest) jump in half cocked.

Heaven forbid a message board sees posters join ongoing convos 😂

The post of yours i responded to was you saying it was 'complete and utter bollocks' that the competition in the EL was weaker than Carabao Cup - this is clearly not bollocks, unless you're able to argue otherwise?


By all means argue it doesn't matter and that a trophy is a trophy and that a European trophy is prestigious in it's own right regardless - which it is. But the competition is tougher in the CC, exhibited by the fact we got knocked out of it by the PL winners
 

Guy is a tedious prickly ego

Lol at comments on the Trees’ forums. Eg


“Interestingly I saw a stat on Sky earlier that said Ange's win percentage at Spurs is 46% which was a little surprising, mainly because I think a lot of people, myself included, forget he finished 5th with Spurs too.

So his win percentage is better than Nuno's, was his Spurs team better than Forest? First season yes, second season, probably not.

I don't really know what my point is here tbh, I think I'm probably just searching for the positives to say let's see what happens and it might work out.“
 
I was delighted we won. Could barely watch the final Man U corner. It's the third most prestigous trophy to win IMO. But I can't pretend the standard of oppo was good (EF are OK), or that it somehow means Ange is a great coach. It doesn't.

Some finals are absolute stinkers. That doesn't mean the opposition was poor because United hammered Bilbao on their way and we had good wins against Frankfurt and Bodo, both good enough to qualify for this years Champions League.

Obviously Europa sits below Champions League but to demean our trophy is 99% about the anti-Postecoglou agenda than about demeaning the achievement of winning our first Euro trophy in four decades.
 
Ange's shower won 4-0 at the Etihad (one of two wins over City) and beat the champions Liverpool last season.

That CL Final team took 11 points from its last 12 league games.

Those teams had a lot more in common than the narrative lets on.

Also, while that Ajax side had excellent players who have gone on to prove their quality elsewhere (and also Onana and Van de Beek, lol) , you really can't say "Ajax who schooled Juventus and Madrid" and not "United, who beat Sociedad, Lyon and Bilbao".

You and I both believe we would not have won that trophy had it been Lazio in the semifinals then Bilbao at home in the Final. But those teams lost to United and Bodo!


Tottenham's ability to compete and beat the top, top teams in modern times has not been in question. Our ability to hold our nerve against the now-or-never pressure of the big occasion has been a constant albatross around our necks.

Ange got us over that hump. The quality of the opponents and the broader context of that season and his methods may well mean he did not deserve to retain his job, but that does not mean he doesn't still deserve his roses for putting out a side that could secure the result on the day where so many glittering predecessors had failed.

Great post. Winning finals is hard. Getting to the final is one thing but getting over the line in the final is as more of a mental challenge than one of talent or ability. It requires a winning mindset. The players need to be motivated to make it happen, on the day, in every single moment. It doesn't have to pretty. Player motivation is what Postecoglou is really, really good at. No better an example was Mickey's goal line clearance. The season and history was on the line-literally- in that moment. He summoned all he had to make that clearance. Elite moment and elite mentality.
 
It was better back then because money was so much less a factor. Remember Mechelin and Aberdeen? Those were the days.

I think the other important thing is that club teams had more of an identity grounded in their nationality back them. The dirty I-ties, the efficient Germans, the hot-headed Spanish. All laughable and true.

Now the top teams are all interchangeable multi-millionaires from all over the world

Then you have the decline of the English football ground as a fortress.

Anyway, broadcasting has improved at least.

This can be traced back to the Bosman ruling. Great for players, but football today is an expensive business and football fans are the customer. Clubs are losing their identities-the one and only constant for a club is the football fan. Players, owners, managers, ground names, even club colors are all up for sale to the highest bidder. Its only the fans that make a club, a "club".
 
Guy is a tedious prickly ego

Lol at comments on the Trees’ forums. Eg


“Interestingly I saw a stat on Sky earlier that said Ange's win percentage at Spurs is 46% which was a little surprising, mainly because I think a lot of people, myself included, forget he finished 5th with Spurs too.

So his win percentage is better than Nuno's, was his Spurs team better than Forest? First season yes, second season, probably not.

I don't really know what my point is here tbh, I think I'm probably just searching for the positives to say let's see what happens and it might work out.“
Poor Matz Sels. He woke up to the news no keeper wants to hear, "The club has hired Ange Postecoglou." :)
 
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