They were fighting for him in the EL which they prioritised.
If he can get 10 cup finals out of this lot which is possible then we will win matches.
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They were fighting for him in the EL which they prioritised.
If he can get 10 cup finals out of this lot which is possible then we will win matches.
100% that's been the case for a while. It's absolutely baffling!
They were fighting for themselves in the EL, and their chances to play in the CL this season without him. They wouldn't have played like utter shite for him in the league for 18 months if they liked him.
We won the EL in spite of him and his buffoonery, not because of it. Ange is a charlatan.
Nah, Maddison already came out and put that nonsense to bed, they wouldn't have won without him and it's clear their effort levels have dropped this season because he's not around to oversee it.
I mean if they were 'fighting for themselves' last season then where's the fight gone this season, seems tk have magically worn off?
I think Ange os genuinely a flawed manager who is too stubborn for his own good but it's actually laughable to suggest that this lot wouldn't put up a fight fot him at this stage.
Dunno about that at all
That Van De Ven interview with Neville was pretty telling. As was the way they reacted to winning the EL with that pre printed banner about winning in the second season. The documentary released by the club with the reactions to his speeches?
They understood his limitations but they obviously loved him and believed the stuff he said.
Yes they liked him, yes they believed him.
Yet they played some hopeless shit in 90% of all games and regressed by every month. That includes the Europa League final.
Yet they played some hopeless shit in 90% of all games and regressed by every month. That includes the Europa League final.
The final we won. The reason that game was so poor is mostly because United players went down every tine they lost the ball, then cried and moaned against every decision that went against them.
If it wasn't for Ange giving the plauers the belief they could win, and Romero digging in and fighting for everything, we would have lost that game, and would still be trophyless .
Announce Ange.
I give him credit for the final. How can we give him that much credit that players turning up and fighting in a final? Thats just what every player in a final does. The final was as shit because of United AND us, take of the tinted-glasses. We rode our luck that day, thats how we scored and you don't see a van de Ven clearance like that every week.
Its also Anges work opponent teams in the Premier League look forward playing us as we were and are piss easy to play against. Losing was acceptable, as we were focusing on other competitions.
The pro Ange arguments are so damn weak.
Be a good choice to bring him in. It's not a debate of whether you think Ange is any good, it's about whether he believe he can galvanise and get few wins out of this particular group of players who have stopped trying
Think he'd install enough belief to get the club out of this
However I seriously doubt he has any intention of returning, especially in a caretaker position for Poch
Think he'd install enough belief to get the club out of this
However I seriously doubt he has any intention of returning, especially in a caretaker position for Poch
They asked him on TNT the other day whether he would come back and he said 'no comment', where as on the Overlap he ruled it out.
Reckon they have approached him personally and he's thinking about, that would satisfy his ego massively.
Haha how long have you been following this club? Our players are normally useless in finals, before the EL final we hadn't scored a goal in 4 finals in a row or something dumb like that.
The last time we scored was Woodgate vs Chelsea lol
The final was basically the same as the finals before. We scored due to a lucky bounce of Luke Shaw. Also it was the worst final opponent we faced in a long time. You really think we would have had a chance with this approach against Liverpool in the CL final or Man City and Chelsea in the League Cup final? It really was not a heroic final performance. We mostly rode our luck.
We even sacrificed everything else for this final. It paid off that day, we are still paying a price for it though, as we started and continued losing belief in winning Premier League matches.
Shots on goal 3-16
Possession 27%-73%
Succesful passes 61%
I loved the result, the day, the celebration.... but it was just another pathetic game of football against an equally bad team with a lucky outcome and no tactical masterclass.
Well you make your own luck in football generally, you can say we got lucky with the goal which was an isolated moment but we still had to keep them out in 90 mins, that's not down to luck and it's not as if they battered us anyway.
You can make the luck argument both ways because they were at full strength and we were missing all of our creative mids so...
This is how football works though generally speaking, at the end of the day we took our chance and they didn't, we have been on the receiving end of matches like that but I don't see people putting it down to luck for our opponents, were Liverpool lucky to beat us in the CL despite us doing all the running? Nope.
Scoreline 1-0 that's all that matters.
Sorry that's nonsense,
Why aren't united mid table at most then? Since losing prem games was also "normalized" for them last season on their run to the final
Thats how football works and thats why you can not really judge a manager by a few games.
You can judge a manager by development of play, development of results, regular level of performance. That got worse by every game under Ange, but its also discussed to death.
CL final had not much to do with who is the manager. What can a manager do if you get a hand ball penalty one minute in?
Because United got their act together when they sacked their clueless manager. They turned it around.
And are not busy in the CL pretending to be better than they actually are.
Pub talk arguments, here we go
obviousl its the only thing that matters in a final. Its still not a reason to install a failing manager who could not sort a defense to save his life for a second time.