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Manager Ange Postecoglou

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Was sacking Ange a good idea?

  • Yes, I think it was a good idea.

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • No, I think it was a bad idea.

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
McCOYS said:
Well I suppose Dragusin could be said to be Dier's replacement. So we had 2 competent CBs for each of the CB positions, but Davies and Dragusin ain't no good in his system either, sometimes a manager needs to change to get the best out of the available players.

If you car starts to overheat do you slow down or do you keep going at the same speed regardless, and when you blow a gasket you simply say '' I drive fast mate, that's what I do''?
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Fair enough.
I agree that he was rather too single-minded with no "plan B".
But in the second half of last season, he recognised this and seemed to change his approach.
You've got to agree that for a first time coach in a major league that he did pretty well.
Just like players, you have to give the manager some time to adjust to playing in a major league.

I fully believe that if we had kept him, and if the management had backed him, we would be playing like that first CL semi-final between PSG & Bayern.
 
McCOYS said:
Well I reckon most people on this forum thought Thomas Frank was a disaster, regardless of their opinion of Postecoglou.

The problem isn't that Postecoglou was sacked, the problem was who he was replaced with, and you've sort of admitted that yourself by keeping off this thread until it was blatantly obvious that Frank was useless for our team.

As for RDZs thread, I haven't formed an opinion yet, thought the Sunderland match was Thomas Fran- esque, I thought the save Kinksy made against Leeds was as good as some of those astonishing saves Vicario had to keep making to insure our forward play in those magical first ten matches wasn't negated.

It still seems like when we concede a goal, the team goes into some kind of sports shock, but it's early days so.

Relegation - we're 2 points better off than West Ham, but the two teams we have left to play are higher up the ;league table than the teams they have left to play, hopefully Chelsea will be fatigued from their cup match when we come to play them, overall I consider the situation between West Ham and our own team to be 50-50.
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Why are you discussing all of this on the Postecoglou thread?
 
Tio Martin said:
Alright, carry on with your delusions in this containment thread I guess.
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It's more of a "Fly Trap" thread where some of us lure Derangers to spend their time on here rather than boring normal posters to tears on the main board with their Deranged obsession.

Kind of like you posting in here. Just as pretty much everything you post is Ange-related obsession. For example: here is just the first page of your posts on the Thomas Frank thread:

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7 out of 12 of those posts are about Ange - not Thomas Frank - but about Ange Postecoglou. :eek:

You can seek help for this kind of thing, you know? :D
 
Auscock said:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but aren't PL teams allowed a squad of 25 players PLUS the youngsters?

That means we could have 2 competent players for every position and 3 of those postions would be allowed 3 competent players.
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Yes, and we already had Kinsky, Gray, Odobert, and Bergvall as first team players in those 'free' positions:

This was 24/25:

25 Squad players
*Home grown -- U21 (italics)

GK
Vicario, Guglielmo
Forster, Fraser Gerard*
Austin, Brandon Anthony*
Whiteman, Alfie Malik*

Kinsky, Antonin (U21)
Keeley, Josh (U21)
Gunter, Luca Jackson (U21)

DF
Danso, Kevin*
Davies, Benjamin Thomas*
Dragusin, Radu-Matei
Porro Sauceda, Pedro Antonio
Reguilon Rodriguez, Sergio
Romero, Cristian Gabriel
Spence, Diop Djed*
Udogie, Iyenoma Destiny
Van De Ven, Micky

Gray, Archie James Frances (U21)
Phillips, Ashley (U21)
Dorrington, Alfie Terry Charlie (U21)

MF
Bentancur, Rodrigo
Bissouma, Yves
Maddison, James*
Sarr, Pape Matar

Bergvall, Lucas Erik Holger (U21)
Devine, Alfie Sean (U21)
Ajayi, Oyindamola Oluwatobi Peter (U21)
Abbott, George Benedict (U21)
Robson, Max* (U21)

FW
De Andrade, Richarlison
Heung-Min, Son
Johnson, Brennan Price*
Kulusevski, Dejan
Solanke-Mitchell, Dominic Ayodele*
Werner, Timo

Veliz, Alejo (U21)
Yang, Minhyeok (U21)
Scarlett, Dane Pharrell (U21)
Tel, Mathys Henri (U21)
Odobert, Wilson Serge Eric (U21)
Moore, Mikey Steven Danny (U21)
Donley, Jamie Paul (U21)
Lankshear, William Terence (U21)




As I pointed out, Ange said publically that to him there was little to discriminate between top players in terms of ability, and he was all about 'attitude'. We had a full squad that dipped into youngsters.

You might want to argue there should have been even more depth to the above, but players capable of starting for PL sides (the 'quality' you'd be expecting) don't want to be 3rd in line, and he wasn't exactly a manager who rotated. A lot of players like Spence didn't get a look-in at all until he had no choice but to play them, and he was ignoring Reguillon at LB and playing the likes of Grey by choice. Just not a good squad manager.
 
CJJ said:
Yes, and we already had Kinsky, Gray, Odobert, and Bergvall as first team players in those 'free' positions:

This was 24/25:

25 Squad players
*Home grown -- U21 (italics)

GK
Vicario, Guglielmo
Forster, Fraser Gerard*
Austin, Brandon Anthony*
Whiteman, Alfie Malik*

Kinsky, Antonin (U21)
Keeley, Josh (U21)
Gunter, Luca Jackson (U21)

DF
Danso, Kevin*
Davies, Benjamin Thomas*
Dragusin, Radu-Matei
Porro Sauceda, Pedro Antonio
Reguilon Rodriguez, Sergio
Romero, Cristian Gabriel
Spence, Diop Djed*
Udogie, Iyenoma Destiny
Van De Ven, Micky

Gray, Archie James Frances (U21)
Phillips, Ashley (U21)
Dorrington, Alfie Terry Charlie (U21)

MF
Bentancur, Rodrigo
Bissouma, Yves
Maddison, James*
Sarr, Pape Matar

Bergvall, Lucas Erik Holger (U21)
Devine, Alfie Sean (U21)
Ajayi, Oyindamola Oluwatobi Peter (U21)
Abbott, George Benedict (U21)
Robson, Max* (U21)

FW
De Andrade, Richarlison
Heung-Min, Son
Johnson, Brennan Price*
Kulusevski, Dejan
Solanke-Mitchell, Dominic Ayodele*
Werner, Timo

Veliz, Alejo (U21)
Yang, Minhyeok (U21)
Scarlett, Dane Pharrell (U21)
Tel, Mathys Henri (U21)
Odobert, Wilson Serge Eric (U21)
Moore, Mikey Steven Danny (U21)
Donley, Jamie Paul (U21)
Lankshear, William Terence (U21)




As I pointed out, Ange said publically that to him there was little to discriminate between top players in terms of ability, and he was all about 'attitude'. We had a full squad that dipped into youngsters.

You might want to argue there should have been even more depth to the above, but players capable of starting for PL sides (the 'quality' you'd be expecting) don't want to be 3rd in line, and he wasn't exactly a manager who rotated. A lot of players like Spence didn't get a look-in at all until he had no choice but to play them, and he was ignoring Reguillon at LB and playing the likes of Grey by choice. Just not a good squad manager.
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You've shot youself in the foot mate.
You have included so many yougsters.
 
CJJ said:
A lot of players like Spence didn't get a look-in at all until he had no choice but to play them,
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Well, blow me down with a feather CJJ CJJ has posted more complete Deranger lies and distortions .

Sorry pal, you can read exactly what happened with Djed Spence here:

Phomesy said:
This meme has got completely out of control. You have no idea what Ange thinks/thought about Spence. So let's try and address facts, eh?

We know Spence was on the verge of being flogged to Genoa last summer. We don't know what happened next but presumably he went to the manager and stated he wanted to try and break into the team. Postecoglou gave him one last chance - one that all of Spence's previous managers except Steve Cooper hadn't.

That is fact. All we know for certain is that Spence was about to flogged for a loss. but ended up staying.

So now he's bottom of the pile. He has to prove himself. Train hard, show willing and fight for his chance.

That chance came against Coventry on 18th September. Came on second half - out of position as LB - and was great. Took his chance. Now he's caught the eye but he's still got a lot to prove. Porro is clearly number 1 RB; Udogie clearly number 1 LB. So it's going to be hard.

He's on the bench for the 3-1 win over Brentford. Fair enough. Still got a long way to go to break into the PL team.

He then gets 45 minutes in the win against United. Replaces Udogie (who is not injured just rested) for the second half and again plays well out of position. He's now trusted by the manager to have PL minutes when we're in good position. And is now an option to rotate in game out of position LB/RB. He has the managers trust. This is going well. He's moving up the squad ladder.

Then its the Brighton game - he almost certainly would have made a sub appearance if we were in control but disaster strikes and we throw away a 0-2 lead. Postecoglou relies on his 1st teamers to get out of the mess they created. Mistake? Probably. Understandable - probably. Most managers don't turn to fringe players to get them out of a jam.

And what happens next? Spence gets a groin injury. He misses 3 games. Back on the bench as an unused sub for Ipswich. Comes on late in the City win to help see it out. This groin injury is a set back. This is what stalled his progress.

The next 3 games is where Postecoglou leaves him on the bench as we suffer a series of disappointing results. This is the one patch of the year where you can legitimately say Postecoglou made a mistake. But considering Spence started at the bottom of the pile he wasn't getting ahead of Porro and Udogie who were NOT INJURED and we desperately needed results and under pressure managers rely on what they know has worked for them. But, yes, feel free to have a crack at Postecoglou for this stretch of games.

But Djed keeps going. Doesn't drop his head. Finally gets his chance when he starts against Southampton. He's great.

And hasn't missed a game since EXCEPT for the Wolves game where he was suspended. The Wolves game was where Udogie did his hamstring. Spence couldn't have played because he was suspended.

And since then he's played every game hes been available for and has now proved himself beyond doubt.

Those are the facts. If you look at them and still want to continue this fantasy that Postecoglou never gave him a chance or never believed in him then I'd suggest you are exhibiting "cult like" behaviour.

In this shitty clusterfuck of a season the one good thing - one feel good story - has been Djed Spence turning his career around with the help of the manager who gave him a chance.


Oh - and the REAL MISTAKE Postecoglou made wasn't in not believing in Spence (he clearly did as shown above) it was NOT BELIEVING in Brandon Austin. If he did then Spence gets in the EL squad over Forster and the whole process outlined above would have been accelerated.
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Remember kids. All they have is lies and distortions. :ange-bored:
 
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So... as we once again face the full existential horror of the possible relegation the Derangers in our club forced upon us I retreat to my safe space once again. Not least because the Derangers are already positioning themselves to, once again, blame a bloke who hasn't been in charge this season - for this season's result.

Derangers gonna Derange. It's all they have to stop them accepting their guilt and responsibility for our plight.

Anyhoo...

On a brighter note and about happier times: This time last year I was flying to Barcelona. A night night in a very pretty town - to be followed by a 17 hour train journey (multiple stops) the next day to get to Bilbao - on the other side of Spain.

We were safe. We were happy. We were in a European Cup final.

The world was our oyster.

It will be thus once again. Maybe not next season. but it will happen again. This much I believe.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsM_VmN6ytk
 
Danny Welbeck put Brighton in front in the 66th minute and Postecoglou left it until the 79th minute to make his first substitutions. “Substitutions and all those kind of things … they are totally irrelevant to me,” he said. “If you’re not competitive, it doesn’t matter what you do, you’re not going to get rewards.

“We didn’t deserve, on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. If you do get something out of the game, you’re falsely rewarded and I don’t want to get falsely rewarded

Substitutions are irrelevant, what a belter. He'd rather lose than sneak a goal against the run of play. I wonder if he told Levy that at his job interview?
 
McCOYS said:
Danny Welbeck put Brighton in front in the 66th minute and Postecoglou left it until the 79th minute to make his first substitutions. “Substitutions and all those kind of things … they are totally irrelevant to me,” he said. “If you’re not competitive, it doesn’t matter what you do, you’re not going to get rewards.

“We didn’t deserve, on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. If you do get something out of the game, you’re falsely rewarded and I don’t want to get falsely rewarded

Substitutions are irrelevant, what a belter. He'd rather lose than sneak a goal against the run of play. I wonder if he told Levy that at his job interview?
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ok
 
McCOYS said:
Danny Welbeck put Brighton in front in the 66th minute and Postecoglou left it until the 79th minute to make his first substitutions. “Substitutions and all those kind of things … they are totally irrelevant to me,” he said. “If you’re not competitive, it doesn’t matter what you do, you’re not going to get rewards.

“We didn’t deserve, on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. If you do get something out of the game, you’re falsely rewarded and I don’t want to get falsely rewarded

Substitutions are irrelevant, what a belter. He'd rather lose than sneak a goal against the run of play. I wonder if he told Levy that at his job interview?
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Oh man, I'd totally forgotten about his "false rewards" ramble...

:ange-facepalm:
 
Matt1882 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Ranking the best European trophy-winning managers

Unai Emery has the chance to win a fifth Europa League on Wednesday, but where does he rank among the best European trophy winners?
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

Top 10 greatest managers to win a European Trophy
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So this is the best managers IN EUROPE?

I was gonna say, Zidane over Sir Alex, what the fuck?

I'd still take Sir Alex. Let's see Zidane take Aberdeen past Bayern and Real Madrid to win a European trophy.
 
Herclueless said:
Oh man, I'd totally forgotten about his "false rewards" ramble...

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What a lot of shit he talked. Incredible what he got away with. Aston Villa about to fully contextualuse that Europa League win too. They won't get the last either. Its sad what television money has gone to what was once a really tough trophy to win. This will be Emrey's FIFTH win wtf!!
 
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McCOYS said:
Danny Welbeck put Brighton in front in the 66th minute and Postecoglou left it until the 79th minute to make his first substitutions. “Substitutions and all those kind of things … they are totally irrelevant to me,” he said. “If you’re not competitive, it doesn’t matter what you do, you’re not going to get rewards.

“We didn’t deserve, on our second-half performance, irrespective of subs or anything else, to get something out of the game. If you do get something out of the game, you’re falsely rewarded and I don’t want to get falsely rewarded

Substitutions are irrelevant, what a belter. He'd rather lose than sneak a goal against the run of play. I wonder if he told Levy that at his job interview?
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Some of his best work that
 
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