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Player Antonín Kinský

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Timberwolf said:
A tragic situation. Having to play the keeper we've played for the past 6 games and has made 1 debatable error and some incredible saves.

How will we cope.

Whoever De Zerbi picks for Everton it will be because he thinks they give us the best chance of staying in the division, not because of any fan nonsense.

Regardless of what anyone thinks of Kinsky, this idea that Vic's gonna magically come in and do great is fanciful. He's been statistically the worst keeper in the league this season at shot-stopping, is dodgy on the ball, dodgy on crosses and it would probably be his last game for the club after over a month out. That combination of factors doesn't fill me with confidence.

I'd rather chance it with Kinsky, even if he is a bit raw.
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Nailed it, and them.

They have so much more to say about a wrongly attributed, made up in their head, error than they ever did about the two monumental Leeds saves and the free kick save v. Wolves.

For Tottenham Massive, it's simply because he's a cheap transfer. If it were Tanguy Ndombele doing it, he'd be nothing but positive.

But that's just him, not sure what everyone else's angle is to unnecessarily shit on a good performing player.
 
James Cook said:

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He ShOuLd HaVe StReTcHeD fOr It!

There's about 5 in the following compilation alone.


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He was sensational at free kicks! Good lord, I swear I used to get goosebumps when he started lining one up from a favorable position. I remember there was at least one or two that I had started celebrating before the ball had even left his foot; I just could see it in his poise and the way he struck that the keeper had no chance.
 
We are playing waaaay better with Kinsky, that's up to De Zerbi too, of course, but we got a lot less pressure with a keeper that is confortble with the ball. Would love to see him playing alongaide Romero, think we'll be a lot better.
 
We're more calm with Kinsky.

We're more resolute with Kinsky.

Kinsky has better distribution.

Kinsky has a better mentality.

And the biggest one for me:

Kinsky is more likely to be here next season.

We owe Vic nothing. Kinsky plays.
 
Timberwolf said:
Personally I reckon he goes with Kinsky simply cos he's better on the ball.

Bear in mind De Zerbi was the manager that dropped Robert Sanchez - a good shot-stopper who is Vic-esque on the ball - to bring in a relatively unknown backup in Jason Steele as he was far more comfortable with his feet. He's a manager that likes keepers that are good on the ball and puts a lot of stock in that.

And while we can argue for days about the merits of Kinsky's and Vic's shot-stopping and weaknesses on long shots, there's no debating who is better with the ball at their feet.
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Easy to forget that Kinsky is about 7.5 years younger than Gugi and 3.5 years younger than Brandon Austin.

I know that clown was saying goalkeepers dont improve, but it could be 8-10 years before he hits his peak. There's plenty of time for him to grow as he gets more game time
 
James Cook said:
As posted above, the swerve is outrageous and late.

Not a single keeper in the world saves that from Kinsky's standard starting position.
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Rubbish.
Slow to get down and inexplicably pulls his hand away from the shot.
Obviously there is no counter factual to prove who else would save it.

But- there is a counter factual that most keepers get down earlier and 99.9% don't pull their hand away from the ball.

It's the equivalent of a striker who has a chance and shoots backwards.
 
Charlie F said:
Rubbish.
Slow to get down and inexplicably pulls his hand away from the shot.
Obviously there is no counter factual to prove who else would save it.

But- there is a counter factual that most keepers get down earlier and 99.9% don't pull their hand away from the ball.

It's the equivalent of a striker who has a chance and shoots backwards.
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I'm hesitant to make any outright accusations but as I said earlier, if that goal played out in exactly the same way in the West Ham v Leeds game this place would fucking explode with investigations demanded left right and center.
And the one in Madrid was even worse.
 
VirginiaSpur said:
He was sensational at free kicks! Good lord, I swear I used to get goosebumps when he started lining one up from a favorable position. I remember there was at least one or two that I had started celebrating before the ball had even left his foot; I just could see it in his poise and the way he struck that the keeper had no chance.
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If Cristiano had even a modicum less ego and let Bale take more free kicks, Real Madrid would have won more.
 
Charlie F said:
Rubbish.
Slow to get down and inexplicably pulls his hand away from the shot.
Obviously there is no counter factual to prove who else would save it.

But- there is a counter factual that most keepers get down earlier and 99.9% don't pull their hand away from the ball.

It's the equivalent of a striker who has a chance and shoots backwards.
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I'm glad you've climbed down from the claim you've never seen a keeper do it before now I presented overwhelming video evidence.
 
James Cook said:
I'm glad you've climbed down from the claim you've never seen a keeper do it before now I presented overwhelming video evidence.
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Overwhelming video evidence of what?
I have never seen a keeper in 2 out of 6 matches - move his hand away from the ball - in the way Kinsky did.

Yes when it's in the corner and there is zero chance - perhaps.
But not like Kinsky did.
And also the Villa match when his left foot gives way. Was that because he thought " fuck it the ball is going in - so I may as well make sure I have no chance

Kinsky hasn't played many matches it's possible it turns out to be a decent keeper.
But atm - it's silly to ignore the mistakes ratio he makes. Which is incredibly high.
 
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Charlie F said:
Overwhelming video evidence of what?
I have never seen a keeper in 2 out of 6 matches - move his hand away from the ball
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So we've gone from "never seen it ever" to "never seen it twice".

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James Cook said:
So we've gone from "never seen it ever" to "never seen it twice".

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That's not what Kinsky did or remotely apples and apples.
With Bale the keeper was miles away from the shot .
Kinsky was much closer and didn't just stop - he moved away.
How do I or anyone else know if it has happened before.

I just said I have never seen a keeper do something so unusual and especially in 2 out of 6 matches.

Saying I have never seen - is obviously not the same as " it has never happened ".

No one is blaming the keeper with the Bale shot - plenty are blaming Kinsky for shot on Wednesday
 
Charlie F said:
How do I or anyone else know if it has happened before.
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Because I've just posted evidence of it happening multiple times.

And now you have seen it.

So now that you realise it is quite a common occurrence for keepers, even great ones like Schmeichel, to not even attempt to save a ball they know they are beaten by, you can say you've seen it.

P.s. you're correct, the two aren't apples and apples. The Bale shot went in the goal just right of centre.

P.s.s. this is all moot anyway. The real question is why are you so hateful towards Kinsky. You couldn't even give him credit for his saves these past few games.

You've gone into intimate detail when you think he's made an error but when he made a great save you couldn't even be bothered to watch it properly. Just instantly dismissed it.
 
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