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Manager Antonio Conte

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If I’m being kind I’d say misguided ambition. But whatever the reason, it was a poorly thought out IMO.
Half hope, half delusion.

He needed the fans off his back and he acted. He is convinced this squad is full of talented players that need the right manager to unlock their potential.

He brought in serial winners but all they were able to do is sprinkle glitter on shit.
 
Half hope, half delusion.

He needed the fans off his back and he acted. He is convinced this squad is full of talented players that need the right manager to unlock their potential.

We'd already tried to sign Conte, so he wasn't just a political move to shut the fans up after Nuno proved inadequate.

He brought in serial winners but all they were able to do is sprinkle glitter on shit.

Right now, I'd say it was more a case that whatever sparkle we have is being made to look shittier than it is.
 
Did I miss the bit where you said that Conté’s job is to do the best for Spurs or does that not matter?

Presumably, Dier or Perisic’s job is to earn money to look after his family so as long as they show up and cash the check, they’re fulfilling their job requirement.

Yeh, come on Steve73 Steve73 ........

That's pretty whack bit of excuse making right there.....

Maybe Levy's job is to make money for his family too.......? ......Paratici? .....Sanchez and any of our feverishly derided players?
 
Why are you posting such long messages. Normally you should keep them to 3 or 4 paragraphs on these threads. You lose the reader when you post too much content and expect the reader to read your waffling. Some times less is more. We are in a culture where we want points to hit home. Clear and consise please.
This after you posting a diatribe about how great our players are?
Telling someone to shut up, then telling another to be respectful when they tell you to shut up?
Followed by claiming you have "the right" to tell someone to "shut up" because you don't agree with them?

Have a word with yourself.
 
Your completely wrong. He disrespected the whole club. He tried to humiliate us. Whether you agree with him or not, say it behind closed doors to levys face not like a naughty schoolboy telling on his superiors. I would have conte coaching the under 18s as punishment. He gets 15 million a year. I have got so much crap from work from colleagues supporting Chelsea for this. Saying we are a laughing stock. Conte basically said its the history of spurs. We got to a champions league final in 2019. Conte forgets that. I cannot stand him and I loved him before the weekend. He is a disgrace.
Something with all the titles his won with money his never managed to do. In fact he hasn’t won a CL KO gane for nearly 10 years. Elite manager as Jim royal would say my arse. Then he has the gall minus bladder to lecture spurs. His job is get us to complete and his basically failed. Sack him now! We are never gonna play free flowing pass and move attacking football whist his here. Just look at our games and see how many actual chances do we create for harry. His starved of any real chances. A lot of his goals this season have been from corners or crosses. We not actually pumped teams and create multiple openings. It’s all counter mainly.
 
Why didn't we sign any of the LCBs you mention then? How is that down to Conte? I'm confused because he's not in charge of recruitment and you seem to agree with me but blame him for not signing any of the players mentioned.

The two CB's were unattainable for different reasons, the point is that we ought to have been more flexible in the market and the players I mentioned were all BETTER than the loan player we signed yet were identified.

He's not in charge of recruitment no, but he's had more of a say in transfers than any other manager we have had that's the point, he ultimately has sign offs on players and he agreed to sign off on Lenglet and yet 3 windows in he still ultimately doesn't think CB is such an issue.

I'm not saying that the board or Paratici shouldn't be culpable but he still needs to take his fair share of blame on the CB issue, if this is a manager who 'knows football' then seemingly he ought to know what he needs and who he's getting/signing off on.

Spence is doing ok in the French league at a smallish club, decent going forward, not great defensively, after spending zero time in the Prem previously. Danjuma is an ex championship player who Seville are happy to release and was about to sign on loan for Everton. These are not players of the required standard if we want to challenge the best.

The Spence thing, yes okay fine, all well and good saying he's not been good enough but he hasn't been given a chance to show what he's worth regardless, I mean you could say the same of Emerson who was decent defensively and poor going forward so ultimately what's the difference here

Danjuma came from Villareal not Seville, I just made a point about him having a high scoring rate in the CL and you completely ignored it, why? Is a 6 in 9 scoring rate in the CL now not good enough for Spurs?

Emerson was never as bad as people made out and Conte has been vindicated largely. Son despite his piss poor season is still our second highest scorer. I'm not saying Conte is right all the time but when you need a goal Danjuma and Lucas are not great go tos. AGAIN poor squad depth and AGAIN not down to the manager.

Oh yes he has been vindicated but that was never my point, if he put as much time and effort into Emerson than why couldn't he put as much time and effort into Spence?

Son is our 2nd highest scorer because he's clocked the 4th highest amount of minutes in the team behind Kane, Son and Hojbjerg, this despite him having a poor season and having a 1 in 4 record (6 goals this season and one was a hat trick against Leicester) I don't think anyone can tell me that Rich or Danjuma could have easily posted the same if not higher numbers if they got similar minutes.

We agree the piss poor CB situation is not down to Conte. Don't understand the rest - managers boosts player morale with public praise - what's the problem? And then you change tack again and now CB recruitment is down to Conte? What you're saying either isn't clear or isn't correct. The club signs players, not the manager. He wants good players you agree, he knows footy you agree but then you say we chose Lenglet over Botman because of Conte - that makes no sense to me at all.

There's no problem at all but you can't on one hand say that the manager's hands are tied behind his back and yet ignore what Conte has come out and constantly said about Dier AND the fact that he keeps playing him, we can't have it both ways here.

And to mitigate the issue, has he tried to change the formation? No
Has he rested Dier for a period of matches? No

Again I'm not saying that it's all on Conte but he needs to take his far share of the blame and some accountability of the situation.

He's defo lost focus this season, i've already explained why, illness and bereavement, Conte without his usual presence and intensity isn't as effective a manager.

Your point on Para I don't really understand. Who's appeasing who? And why?

The point about Paratici is that Conte is working with a DOF who he's worked with successfully in the past and that's another thing which was in his favour. Pep worked with Xhiki at Barcelona before and City brought him in to eventually work with Pep, before you say we ought to have done what City had done the point is that Conte had his right hand man to work with which is another card stacked in his favour so yet again why are we making excuses for him?

He accepted Lenglet it seems, it may be he wasn't given much choice - but I doubt he wanted him above the other choices available. And let's be honest he smacks of being a cheap, risk free punt the same as Danjuma. Not good enough.

He wasn't given much choice yet there was a plethora of CB's who I mentioned earlier, by all accounts his only choices were Bastoni or Gvardiol, one would wonder why any others weren't prioritised and you have to wonder why he signed off on Lenglet, it's definitely a collective fault.

The Dier point I don't really understand, I can't see that post for some reason. Dier was a squad player same as Davies under Poch when we were good, now they're regulars. They should be squad players. No one in their right mind plays Tanganga or Sanchez over Dier. This is what he's inherited. It's not good enough.

NVM

The football isn't attractive at all, i've never said it was, but this season, considering the injuries and the illness and bereavement stuff, we are were we belong points wise. Woolwich going through the same with their manager and injuries wouldn't be any better off than we are. Play nicer footy though.

Don't understand, I was using context.

Well you haven't used context at all because you've totally ignored our form in the cups and only mentioned the league :D But okay no worries, if you still want to focus on the league cool we can talk about our play style and lack of control in matches which he is 100% culpable for.

Yes injuries and mitigating circumstances such as personal issues should be taken into account but I think we can expect a manager who is so called elite to coach cohesive patterns of play, to be able to coach a team to play across 90 mins in at least a 3rd of our games, to not allow the team to concede 40 goals which is more than West Ham and Crystal Palace who are threatened by relegation.

I mean he managed some sort of progression and improvement of our players last season, why is he tanking so much this season despite having £170m invested into the team in the Summer? 🤷‍♀️

Yes we put out a team good enough to beat Sheffield United and the players took their foot off as usual when they think they're superior. That's a large part of why he exploded on Saturday. It's his whole point, they're not strong mentally, lack desire and fight.

Which is fine but he had Kane and Romero on the bench to change things earlier when things weren't going our way, this is literally what he is paid to do to spot these things and make changes.

This is the same team who beat Chelsea and City prior to this match by the way so we know they can turn up, if they're not turning up against lesser sides then it's on the coach to change that mentality.

I agree we've not been great often this season, I agree Conte is far from perfect but I also think we've got some bang average players who should've never been recruited and by now should've been moved on. I think you agree too.

100% But we know he worked with a large number of of this squad last season and he got a few of them to play above their levels which is what we were all happy with, so you have to ask why players are now stagnating, players like Kulusevski and Son are unrecognisable now from last season, Dier, Davies, Hojbjerg have all regressed, LLoris too although he was probably due a down turn in form.

Levy's job is to do the best for Spurs. Conte's job is to earn money to look after his family. And remember we were 7th and 6th the two previous seasons and 9th when Conte took charge. I think 4th and 4th isn't bad considering the mistakes the club has made with recruitment and continue to make. And a wider point. If Conte isn't good enough, surely Levy is to blame for hiring him?

I totally agree about Kane, once he goes I think we'll be lucky to finish top 6. And that definitely won't be down to Conte.

4th and currently 4th is very good, it's the intertangables and lack of context I have an issue with that surround our season, no one would be saying anything if we got knocked out to Real or City in the CL and the cups by the way, just that no one would be saying anything if there was a semblance of an actual plan on the pitch when we play because there's something to hold onto.

And just to make it clear I am not absolving Levy of any blame here, I'm just adding a counter balance to the Conte wasn't backed or Conte isn't culpable argument which IMO is nonsense, he's done a good job of pulling the wool over Spurs fans eyes with that rant and deflecting blame but he needs to look at himself, he's done a shit job this season with what he's been given.

And I don't understand your point about Conte's job??
 
Did I miss the bit where you said that Conté’s job is to do the best for Spurs or does that not matter?

Presumably, Dier or Perisic’s job is to earn money to look after his family so as long as they show up and cash the check, they’re fulfilling their job requirement.
Oh yeah once he's in post absolutely.

But I was referring to someone saying Conte didn't need to sign an 18 month contract when we were talking about him being a bad fit for Spurs - ultimately it's Levy who decides who manages us or not, he's the custodian of the club, not Conte. It's his responsibility to make sure we have the right manager.
 
The two CB's were unattainable for different reasons, the point is that we ought to have been more flexible in the market and the players I mentioned were all BETTER than the loan player we signed yet were identified.

He's not in charge of recruitment no, but he's had more of a say in transfers than any other manager we have had that's the point, he ultimately has sign offs on players and he agreed to sign off on Lenglet and yet 3 windows in he still ultimately doesn't think CB is such an issue.

I'm not saying that the board or Paratici shouldn't be culpable but he still needs to take his fair share of blame on the CB issue, if this is a manager who 'knows football' then seemingly he ought to know what he needs and who he's getting/signing off on.



The Spence thing, yes okay fine, all well and good saying he's not been good enough but he hasn't been given a chance to show what he's worth regardless, I mean you could say the same of Emerson who was decent defensively and poor going forward so ultimately what's the difference here

Danjuma came from Villareal not Seville, I just made a point about him having a high scoring rate in the CL and you completely ignored it, why? Is a 6 in 9 scoring rate in the CL now not good enough for Spurs?



Oh yes he has been vindicated but that was never my point, if he put as much time and effort into Emerson than why couldn't he put as much time and effort into Spence?

Son is our 2nd highest scorer because he's clocked the 4th highest amount of minutes in the team behind Kane, Son and Hojbjerg, this despite him having a poor season and having a 1 in 4 record (6 goals this season and one was a hat trick against Leicester) I don't think anyone can tell me that Rich or Danjuma could have easily posted the same if not higher numbers if they got similar minutes.



There's no problem at all but you can't on one hand say that the manager's hands are tied behind his back and yet ignore what Conte has come out and constantly said about Dier AND the fact that he keeps playing him, we can't have it both ways here.

And to mitigate the issue, has he tried to change the formation? No
Has he rested Dier for a period of matches? No

Again I'm not saying that it's all on Conte but he needs to take his far share of the blame and some accountability of the situation.



The point about Paratici is that Conte is working with a DOF who he's worked with successfully in the past and that's another thing which was in his favour. Pep worked with Xhiki at Barcelona before and City brought him in to eventually work with Pep, before you say we ought to have done what City had done the point is that Conte had his right hand man to work with which is another card stacked in his favour so yet again why are we making excuses for him?



He wasn't given much choice yet there was a plethora of CB's who I mentioned earlier, by all accounts his only choices were Bastoni or Gvardiol, one would wonder why any others weren't prioritised and you have to wonder why he signed off on Lenglet, it's definitely a collective fault.



NVM



Well you haven't used context at all because you've totally ignored our form in the cups and only mentioned the league :D But okay no worries, if you still want to focus on the league cool we can talk about our play style and lack of control in matches which he is 100% culpable for.

Yes injuries and mitigating circumstances such as personal issues should be taken into account but I think we can expect a manager who is so called elite to coach cohesive patterns of play, to be able to coach a team to play across 90 mins in at least a 3rd of our games, to not allow the team to concede 40 goals which is more than West Ham and Crystal Palace who are threatened by relegation.

I mean he managed some sort of progression and improvement of our players last season, why is he tanking so much this season despite having £170m invested into the team in the Summer? 🤷‍♀️



Which is fine but he had Kane and Romero on the bench to change things earlier when things weren't going our way, this is literally what he is paid to do to spot these things and make changes.

This is the same team who beat Chelsea and City prior to this match by the way so we know they can turn up, if they're not turning up against lesser sides then it's on the coach to change that mentality.



100% But we know he worked with a large number of of this squad last season and he got a few of them to play above their levels which is what we were all happy with, so you have to ask why players are now stagnating, players like Kulusevski and Son are unrecognisable now from last season, Dier, Davies, Hojbjerg have all regressed, LLoris too although he was probably due a down turn in form.



4th and currently 4th is very good, it's the intertangables and lack of context I have an issue with that surround our season, no one would be saying anything if we got knocked out to Real or City in the CL and the cups by the way, just that no one would be saying anything if there was a semblance of an actual plan on the pitch when we play because there's something to hold onto.

And just to make it clear I am not absolving Levy of any blame here, I'm just adding a counter balance to the Conte wasn't backed or Conte isn't culpable argument which IMO is nonsense, he's done a good job of pulling the wool over Spurs fans eyes with that rant and deflecting blame but he needs to look at himself, he's done a shit job this season with what he's been given.

And I don't understand your point about Conte's job??
I think you're using speculation as fact and I don't agree on recruitment at all. There's zero evidence Conte wanted Lenglet over Botman or anyone else. The club sign players for positions required by the manager. He wanted a CCB too if speculation is correct. Is it Contes fault we didn't sign one? He's clearly not in charge of recruitment.

Conte saw Spence in training every day. That's his chance. Dan did well in the CL but why are they letting him leave on loan with an option for sale? Why did we sign him just as Everton had drawn up the contracts. That doesn't smack of planned recruitment. It smacks of last minute nonsense. He's also had his chance in training.

Because Emerson can defend and always could, Spence isn't a good defender and to a pragmatist like Conte, that comes first.

Rich or Dan have never been prolific in their careers over a season in the top flight. Son's been shit, the options have either been injured or not as good in his opinion. If he'd played a fit Richy over Son a bit more I would've been fine with that.

His defensive formation options are 3 or 2 at CB, he's played 3 for most of his career. I'm not really fussed, he's been successful doing it, we knew it before he came, he's trying to get the players to play his style same way Klopp and Pep do with their respective formations. It takes time and good players. It took Arteta 3 seasons at least and no top 4 finishes. He's had a year and a half. He's done pretty well considering.

Who would you rest Dier for and for how many games?

Para and Conte. Ok. Levy is still holding the purse strings. Blame Para if you want, he's much more in the firing line on recruitment than Conte.

Not defending the style, never have, but I understand it and it's seen us improve our league position previously. Again we knew in advance how he played.

Good question. Why has the team regressed from last year? Injuries perhaps? His personal circumstances? A bit of both? Maybe some other things too? I've given my main reasons already.

Mentality and work ethic can defo be worked on by a coach. But only to an extent, you can't turn Skipp into Roy Keane if he doesn't have that in him to begin with (not picking on skipp, just using him as an example). Poch had big characters, Toby, Jan, Dem, Wanyama, Rose, Walker. I don't see many in this current team. Kane, Romero and then it's debatable.

Of course Conte isn't without blame, he's not perfect, not even close. Managers, like players, make mistakes all the time. Thing is, once he goes (and he will) will we improve, especially once Kane fucks off? I think we'll be dreaming of top 4 once that happens. I hope I'm wrong.
 



Terrible behaviour filming someone without their permission, especially when they're having a terrible time (his facial expression suggests so).


It hasn't worked here this season, but wish Conte well on a personal level, since it looks like he's leaving sooner rather than later.
 
Danny Murphy just said that a few of the Chelsea lads he knows wanted Conte gone after his first season there..... Even though they'd just won the league!
 
Whoever you think is right, an elite manager should be able to put together a team from this squad of players that is capable of not getting knocked out the cups by Middlesbrough, a second string Sheffield United and a weak AC Milan who were poor over 180 minutes.

What does he think 15 mil a year is for if its not to improve the team.

His comments may be right, but they totally disregard that he is at fault as much as anyone over his tenure. He hasn't coached a team, he's just picked his favourites in the hope that they'd come good.

In what world is subbing on Sanchez for Kulusevski against Milan with 5 minutes left when we're desperate for a goal, with a hungry Danjuma on the bench...... In what world is that not his fault.
I have to say...... I watched the interview again today without the emotion of drawing with Southampton..... And Conte is bang on the money about the attitude of the players...... They've been failures and happy to be failures for far too long.

It doesn't excuse his failings but it's been evident for a long time that the players just aren't putting in the desire and giving it 110 percent. Maybe it IS because they've had it drummed into them that it's OK to get knocked out of cups, it's OK to lose to the big boys, it's OK to lose to our butter rivals....... All that matters is the gold mine of top 4 for the board.


It's just such a depressing situation.
 
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Of course it's to protect himself...... But he's probably had enough and thinks, fuck the players, if they're not going to put in a shift, then I'm not going to take all the flack as they deserve some to. He even said as much when he said he'd been trying to keep their lack of desire and commitment a secret..... But now he's had enough.

It's actually not one or another - there isn't one specific factor that has failed all season, its been a combination of things and Conte being not quite as good as he thinks he is, is just one part.

One thing is 100 percent certain - There are an awful lot of players stealing a living at Tottenham.
 
I think you're using speculation as fact and I don't agree on recruitment at all. There's zero evidence Conte wanted Lenglet over Botman or anyone else. The club sign players for positions required by the manager. He wanted a CCB too if speculation is correct. Is it Contes fault we didn't sign one? He's clearly not in charge of recruitment.







This is as good as you're gonna get in terms of factual evidence, Conte wanted him, he also wanted and got Perisic which was 100% his signing (which we will get into later) You still gonna tell me he has no input into transfers?

Conte saw Spence in training every day. That's his chance. Dan did well in the CL but why are they letting him leave on loan with an option for sale? Why did we sign him just as Everton had drawn up the contracts. That doesn't smack of planned recruitment. It smacks of last minute nonsense. He's also had his chance in training.

Because Emerson can defend and always could, Spence isn't a good defender and to a pragmatist like Conte, that comes first.

Guessing that Danjuma got his head turned by the money by the looks of this:


The club have been looking for a left sided winger since last season, Diaz would have been our player had Liverpool not stepped in, this Jan we made a bid for Trossard and agreed a fee with Udinese for Deulofeu but he got injured, that seems like a plan to me.

Not sure what your point about training is, you don't get a chance to show your talent in training, it's not the same as playin a match, Conte didn't try Spence once in the cup matches when he could have played him against lesser opposition, why?

Also...defence comes first yet he asked for Peresic and constantly plays him yet he cannot defend to save his life, make it makes sense.

Rich or Dan have never been prolific in their careers over a season in the top flight. Son's been shit, the options have either been injured or not as good in his opinion. If he'd played a fit Richy over Son a bit more I would've been fine with that.

Neither has Kulusevski what's your point

Ask yourself whether players can prove a net positive in the team, it's not just about goals, it's about ball retention, picking the ball up in tight spaces, link up play...everything Son hasn't been doing this season, maybe just maybe moves wouldn't be so quick to break down if we had other players playing in the team.

His defensive formation options are 3 or 2 at CB, he's played 3 for most of his career. I'm not really fussed, he's been successful doing it, we knew it before he came, he's trying to get the players to play his style same way Klopp and Pep do with their respective formations. It takes time and good players. It took Arteta 3 seasons at least and no top 4 finishes. He's had a year and a half. He's done pretty well considering.

This is interesting, you say it takes time so why has he only signed an 18 month contract? Why has he not committed further to the project? Why is he bailing with 2 months to go on his contract. He said himself it takes 'another 3 transfer windows' when the window closed, we've had 1 since then.

Who would you rest Dier for and for how many games?

I would have ensured that I got another CB in if I were in his position or failing that I probably would have changed the formation from time to time, not every match did we need 3 at the back.

Para and Conte. Ok. Levy is still holding the purse strings. Blame Para if you want, he's much more in the firing line on recruitment than Conte.

Levy has relinquished £200m of the club's money so I'm looking at recruitment, so if that's the case then Paratici and Conte ought to be on the same page in terms of incomings so what's happened there?

Not defending the style, never have, but I understand it and it's seen us improve our league position previously. Again we knew in advance how he played.

Good question. Why has the team regressed from last year? Injuries perhaps? His personal circumstances? A bit of both? Maybe some other things too? I've given my main reasons already.

The style from last season was indefinitely different to this season, we actually had a style and some sort of semblance of Conte ball game plan, we have only seen a glimpse of that this season.

Mentality and work ethic can defo be worked on by a coach. But only to an extent, you can't turn Skipp into Roy Keane if he doesn't have that in him to begin with (not picking on skipp, just using him as an example). Poch had big characters, Toby, Jan, Dem, Wanyama, Rose, Walker. I don't see many in this current team. Kane, Romero and then it's debatable.

Interesting you've mentioned Poch but he was responsible for getting those players up to that level in both ability and mentality so if he's capable of it then an elite coach should be as well.

Of course Conte isn't without blame, he's not perfect, not even close. Managers, like players, make mistakes all the time. Thing is, once he goes (and he will) will we improve, especially once Kane fucks off? I think we'll be dreaming of top 4 once that happens. I hope I'm wrong.

Yeah well I think it's time we fully commit to the idea of a project manager and go back to go forward and if that means selling Kane then so be it, I'm here for it.
 
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