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Airfixx said:
Oh, sure.... I got the point. It was all a bit TLDR though given the punchline was essentially "343 or 352?"....
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Nahaaaa
Not quite. At least that was not the full point.

Just thought that having 1 more defensive CM (in Skipp) and 2 more creative, not that I'd call Winks attacking per se, CM's could maybe help with the ball movement speed + control of the midfield without losing out on much.
 
TheSpurEst said:
Nahaaaa
Not quite. At least that was not the full point.

Just thought that having 1 more defensive CM (in Skipp) and 2 more creative, not that I'd call Winks attacking per se, CM's could maybe help with the ball movement speed + control of the midfield without losing out on much.
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I lean towards 352 as well....

Resigning yourself to being a man down in MF in most games isn't great in our league and relies upon you having a dominant game-changing CM like Kante or Dembele and there doesn't currently appear to be one on the horizon.

.....Also means we have less attacking roles to staff.

Obviously review in the summer, but between now and then, Skipp / Kessie / Winks might just do the job or even Skipp / Kulesevski / Winks (depending on who we get through the door and what oppo we are facing*).

(*Can't bring myself to bother factoring in Ndombele & Lo Celse anymore.)
 
Airfixx said:
Hugo
Dier / Toby / Jan
Walker / Dembele / Wanyama / Rose
Dele / Eriksen
Kane​

Our best team of the last 35 years or more..... Regularly smashed teams for fun too.
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That was the Dream Team.

I'm curious how many times we actually had that line-up. Rose was injured for most of 2017.

Scrolling through our 16/17 PL season, and I don't see a back 3 line-up for us without Dembele in midfield... Pochettino would go with a back 4 if Dembele wasn't available.

Edit: 3-0 vs Hull weird 3-4-3 diamond.

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Airfixx said:
....And the point being argued is that 3 CBs isn't inherently defensive as you claimed; it's HOW you approach the game tactically which determines how defensive you are, not the basic formation.
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3 at-the-back is actually 5 at-the-back in its defensive posture.


...And the example I provided was Pochettino using a CB3 (Foyth, Sanchez, Toby) + Aurier & Jan as WBs + Sissoko & Winks in midfield.
 
Château NoHo said:
That was the Dream Team.

I'm curious how many times we actually had that line-up. Rose was injured for most of 2017.
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So we smashed teams with Davies in a 343/3421 too. Point still stands.

Château NoHo said:
Scrolling through our 16/17 PL season, and I don't see a back 3 line-up for us without Dembele in midfield... Pochettino would go with a back 4 for Dembele wasn't available.

Edit: 3-0 vs Hull weird 3-4-3 diamond.
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...So more 3CB action then?

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Where's the line-up info you speak of? .... Not in the link you provided.



As per the whole point; 3CBs isn't inherently defensive. Tactics determine defensive emphasis; not formation.
 
Château NoHo said:
That was the Dream Team.

I'm curious how many times we actually had that line-up. Rose was injured for most of 2017.

Scrolling through our 16/17 PL season, and I don't see a back 3 line-up for us without Dembele in midfield... Pochettino would go with a back 4 for Dembele wasn't available.

Edit: 3-0 vs Hull weird 3-4-3 diamond.

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It’s amazing to think back and realize that part of the rationale there was that Sonny wasn’t fully trusted at that stage, and the extra attacker would be just as likely to be Lamela when fit.

He went on a scoring spree late in that season and the rest is history.
 
Do people think we're watching fusball?

Players move, a lot. 343 is little more than a graphic for the TV broadcasters and the armchair fans to talk about.

In most of our games this season, with the ball, both fullbacks are in the opposition half, often further forward the the CM players. Even more interesting is that 1 of the 3 CB is very often making runs into the oppo half and even the box. Initially it seemed to be Davies but more recently it seems to be Sanchez. Both of these players have been involved in goals since Conte arrived.

Out of possession, the FB's drop back to form a back 5 - if it's serious, 2 of the front 3 even drop back to help the FB's.

It is neither defensive or offensive, it is flexible and it's why it works. Pretty much the same thing applies to 352
 
Airfixx said:
So we smashed teams with Davies in a 343/3421 too. Point still stands.
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Did we tho?

We lost at Spam w/ Davies in a back 4 (which clinched the PL for the Chavs.)
Airfixx said:
...So more 3CB action then?
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Yes, outliers.
Airfixx said:
Where's the line-up info you speak of? .... Not in the link you provided.
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Matches section. (show)
Airfixx said:
As per the whole point; 3CBs isn't inherently defensive. Tactics determine defensive emphasis; not formation.
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If you have 2WBs that are defenders it most certainly is.
 
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Château NoHo said:
That was the Dream Team.

I'm curious how many times we actually had that line-up. Rose was injured for most of 2017.

Scrolling through our 16/17 PL season, and I don't see a back 3 line-up for us without Dembele in midfield... Pochettino would go with a back 4 if Dembele wasn't available.

Edit: 3-0 vs Hull weird 3-4-3 diamond.

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This might help you

www.transfermarkt.co.uk

Tottenham Hotspur - Schedule 16/17

This page contains an complete overview of all already played and fixtured season games and the season tally of the club Tottenham in the season 16/17.
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Château NoHo said:
Did we tho?

We lost at Spam w/ Davies in a back 4 (which clinched the PL for the Chavs.)
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You're failing to make a salient point here.

I didn't say we didn't drop any points.

Château NoHo said:
If you have 2WBs that are defenders it most certainly is.
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WBs are tasked with both defensive AND attacking responsibility.

This is getting silly..... You're just throwing shit at the wall.

If you think Poch's 3CB team were predominantly defensive; then good luck with that theory, but it's clearly guff.
 
Château NoHo said:
That was the Dream Team.

I'm curious how many times we actually had that line-up. Rose was injured for most of 2017.

Scrolling through our 16/17 PL season, and I don't see a back 3 line-up for us without Dembele in midfield... Pochettino would go with a back 4 if Dembele wasn't available.

Edit: 3-0 vs Hull weird 3-4-3 diamond.

2016–17 Tottenham Hotspur F.C. season - Wikipedia

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Can anyone honestly without putting players from city and Liverpool in come up with a team of equal ability that we could potentially start next season with?
 
Airfixx said:
You're failing to make a salient point here.

I didn't say we didn't drop any points.



WBs are tasked with both defensive AND attacking responsibility.

This is getting silly..... You're just throwing shit at the wall.

If you think Poch's 3CB team were predominantly defensive; then good luck with that theory, but it's clearly guff.
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IMO, 5 defenders is more defensive than 4 defenders.

We don't normally see non-fullbacks/defenders used as the 2WBs in a back 3.... it's usually fullbacks.

I suppose trying Gil, Lucas or Bergwijn as WBs would be a more offensive set-up, but we rarely see it.
 
Conte as Machiavelli with that abysmal line-up, just as the transfer window opens.

He's going to put a horse's head in Levy's bed, and demand 5 new players in the January window.

Or he's off to manure....
 
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