At least if Conte walks the entirety of the fan base will turn on Enic, something that’s needed to happen for years
One positive in a deathly horrendous situation
One positive in a deathly horrendous situation
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Manager Antonio Conte
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You and I have different definitions of "direct" mate.... To me we'd categorically know these things if indeed he was being direct; not having to draw assumptions and play interpretation games.
Who knows; maybe it's just a language barrier thing.... Maybe I'd just be happier with Sean Dyche's sexy, gravelly tones massaging my ears on a weekly basis. LOL
When he talked about the players under different managers I immediately was thrown back to Jose’s ‘same manager, different players’.
One was more direct than the other, but the meaning seems to be exactly the same. And that meaning is ‘I’m successful elsewhere but not here. Why do you think that is?’
Doubtful, have read a sizeable amount of comments suggesting that Conte is in the wrong for speaking out and that he isn't doing a good enough job for the club.
Literally unbelievable imo, Stockholm syndrome FC, a large portion of our supporters will refuse to ever hold Levy or ENIC to the fire, we could go through another 20 managers and they wouldn't change.
Conte, one of the best managers in the world is publicly saying he doesn't deserve his wages after the results he has produced whilst saying that he is doing everything in his power to change things but he doesn't have the players to do it (something which should have been rectified in January.)
And if he, as a manager, says these kind of things then people should be extremely worried about the way our club is run because for people to suggest he is not good enough is completely laughable, his career says otherwise.
Instead, some people say "it's not the club, it's Conte" that's what you call cult thinking and fucking mass delusion.
because you didn't have harry winks in centre midfield elsewhere.
Meanwhile; Jose is also bombing badly in Italy right now.
We're one step away from saying that Nuno was good afterall [I jest!]
[ripped from a prev. post of mine]
"This club has signed 19 players (inc a few loans) over the last 3 seasons. Now maybe one wants to debate the merits of them individually; but the "same players" shtick he's now decided to roll out isn't exactly true.
IMO he was on the right track not so long ago when he criticised the club for wasting money and saying that part of the culture needed to change (as per the same "patience" monologue that has been alluded to).......... This new twist seems like a wrong-step IMO."
You'll notice I've not questioned his team stewardship or the results. It's just that after a rather heady couple of weeks (see: mildly positive post-window comments > Italian interview > retraction > City gush > this bomb); I'd rather like to know whether he's down with this shit or if his message now is about little more than self-preservation.
You said above that you think he's "daring" Levy to sack him whilst "laying down the gauntlet".... I struggle to see that it's both simultaneously.
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We dominated the game but didn't come away with the points. So where did it go wrong; or rather the better question - who didn't do their job?
Royal - Slow to make decisions. Got in MANY good positions, but the ball was never delivered.
Sessegnon - Failed to get behind or beat defenders.
Our system is heavily dependant on good deliver from our full backs - of which we don't have any of that style.
Kane, Holjberg, Romero, Dier, Son, Kulu all looked decent; but out lack of full backs strangles us. We must adapt to a new formation/system that doesn't require the full backs to be pivotal to our attack; however we do not have an Eriksen-style playmaker to run the show through the middle.
Royal - Slow to make decisions. Got in MANY good positions, but the ball was never delivered.
Sessegnon - Failed to get behind or beat defenders.
Our system is heavily dependant on good deliver from our full backs - of which we don't have any of that style.
Kane, Holjberg, Romero, Dier, Son, Kulu all looked decent; but out lack of full backs strangles us. We must adapt to a new formation/system that doesn't require the full backs to be pivotal to our attack; however we do not have an Eriksen-style playmaker to run the show through the middle.
In a nutshell.
Levy knows that we all will support the club with or without him in charge.
He's just trying to make the fastest buck possible to fill all the seats in the stadium so he can start recouping his COVID losses and guess what?
World class managers fill seats.
They might not be the best, but they fill every single one.
Some of us are pretty close to making a decision to only support the club without him in charge.
Best thing I know I can do is stop giving that greedy git any more of my money.
It's never been the fucking manager. It's always been about the fucking lack of talent/depth on this team. The only game plan we have been able to execute with these group of players is to play Son in behind via Kane and vice versa. We've got absolutely nothing that we can consistently execute other than that.
I think this is an emotional outburst from a man who is very accustomed winning at clubs that are above us in stature. He's an INTENSE competitor and clearly hates losing.
He's said a lot of pointed and intelligent things about what hasn't worked at Tottenham over the past few years and what need to change. I don't think this falls in the same category. He just seems mad as fuck about tonight and the recent run of form. I bet he'll walk back his comments a little bit in his next press conference.
He took over a project, just like Klopp took over a project at Liverpool, he needs to give the club at least a summer window to address the problems with the squad. Klopp's first Liverpool team finished 8th and it took three more years for them to get into the top two of the Premier League.
If Conte doesn't even wait for one transfer summer window, then he clearly wasn't cut out to deal with where we're at. He wasn't forced to come to the club, it's not exactly surprising information that the squad is shit. Just look at the results over the last three seasons. It's going to take more than three months.
If he doesn't feel he's being backed this summer and wants to walk, then by all means, every one of us would get it. But if he fucks off midseason, then it was just never going to work. And that's not to excuse ENIC one bit, they are still absolutely a problem. But my god, Antonio, just give us one window and chance to try to rebuild. If you don't like what's happening then go. But no one on Earth thought that this was situation that could be solved in one January window.
He's said a lot of pointed and intelligent things about what hasn't worked at Tottenham over the past few years and what need to change. I don't think this falls in the same category. He just seems mad as fuck about tonight and the recent run of form. I bet he'll walk back his comments a little bit in his next press conference.
He took over a project, just like Klopp took over a project at Liverpool, he needs to give the club at least a summer window to address the problems with the squad. Klopp's first Liverpool team finished 8th and it took three more years for them to get into the top two of the Premier League.
If Conte doesn't even wait for one transfer summer window, then he clearly wasn't cut out to deal with where we're at. He wasn't forced to come to the club, it's not exactly surprising information that the squad is shit. Just look at the results over the last three seasons. It's going to take more than three months.
If he doesn't feel he's being backed this summer and wants to walk, then by all means, every one of us would get it. But if he fucks off midseason, then it was just never going to work. And that's not to excuse ENIC one bit, they are still absolutely a problem. But my god, Antonio, just give us one window and chance to try to rebuild. If you don't like what's happening then go. But no one on Earth thought that this was situation that could be solved in one January window.
It's either he gets sacked (big payout) or Levy backs him fully and he can get down to business. Either way Conte will walk away as a high rep manager to another job, whereas we'll continue with this group of players who will likely fail under the next manager. That's how I see what he's said/done.
As for the rest, I think he's an emotional guy who has tried to maintain a veneer of positivity thus far (perhaps aware he's early in to his tenure, and not wanting to tank morale while top 4 was still vaguely possible) but this defeat was the straw that broke the camel's back and he couldn't help but say how he's feeling, albeit it still not as plainly as some would like.
It all gives the sense that he's a man who has been biting his tongue a bit. Maybe not consistent with how he's been in the past, but it is early days here.
Thanks for that, a really good, well-balanced take. Conte was never going to be the cool, calm and collected character, and I don’t think most fans would have an issue with this as long as we see the progress on the pitch. The recent wobble has been disappointing, to say the least, but I hope we give Conte the time, and he gives himself the time, to see how we turn out through the summer. If he leaves prematurely, it is what it is.
Levy won't sack him, he knows he's popular with the fans and he's still paying Pochettino, Mourinho, and Nuno. Conte will have to walk on his own accord, which he's fully capable of doing.
I think we all agree with his assessment of the club and players, but was he really that blind into what he was coming into? This was never going to be a rapid turnaround and if he leaves before the summer, then I don't know what the club was supposed to have done.
I mean, yeah we're all mad the players are shit too and we've been in a precipitous decline since 2019, but how about you at least stick around for a year and let us have a summer transfer window to try to sort it out?
You’re a smart guy but I think you read your own feelings into situations too much.
Worrying words from Conte. If there is one thing, or facet, of this club that should not change, it’s our manager. He has proven to be a top manager, who is still in his prime managerial years. His comments sound slightly defeatist so I hope he doesn’t walk at the end of the season. He does need ENIC to give him a war chest and completely revamp this team though.
I am very worried that if we do lose Conte, this will really push us back. Say goodbye to Harry (and I wouldn’t blame him at this point) and we will not be able to attract the talent we need to push us into the champions league. The longer we stay out of the CL, the less likely players will want to come to us and we will be looking for a lot of players with potential, which is fine, but we do need to mix that with proven talent.
I am very worried that if we do lose Conte, this will really push us back. Say goodbye to Harry (and I wouldn’t blame him at this point) and we will not be able to attract the talent we need to push us into the champions league. The longer we stay out of the CL, the less likely players will want to come to us and we will be looking for a lot of players with potential, which is fine, but we do need to mix that with proven talent.
My concern is if we assume Conte was very aware of the situation he was coming in to (which I think we can safely say given the ample evidence on show) then what has he encountered since arriving at the club which is making him act this way? Is it even worse than it appears on the surface?
Or is he just ultra emotional and prone to outbursts after defeats?