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Manager Antonio Conte
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One of the downsides of the internet I suppose that anyone gets a platform like this. Although seeing someone who looks like they havent hit puberty yet telling Conte what he should do is hilarious.
I can understand not wanting Conte long term (I have my own reservations), but ffs lets have that conversation at the end of the season at least.
Watching city live from a coaching perspective I have always been very impressed.
Usually by how much space individuals are given to work in when they have the ball in their own half and from goal kicks. A lot of trust is put on their individual technical ability.
Would rather watch them than our first half performances by 1000%
Yeah these are all fair points and completely reasonable.
Personally for me Conte needs more time. I do genuinely think after the World Cup we will be better, I also think the club will buy 2/3 quality first players in January who should improve the first 11. Nothing is gonna work over night. The club are slowly getting rid of dross, but it's not gonna be a quick process. Everyone bangs on about rebuilds, but for that you need time. You can't rebuild in 12months. For me I think the season to judge Conte is next season, because they'll be no excuses player/squad wise and we won't have World Cup rammed in the middle. Whether Conte will be here is a different matter and everything we will have debated would be irrelevant but I just say trust the process...
Conte has been very honest, but he's never once said that we can win the league instantly under him and that it will take time. For me, another reason a lot of fans are frustrated is because Woolwich are top. It's like last season, 5th would have been a good finish but the reason we wanted 4th so much was because it was Woolwich who's position we were taking which I completely understand.
Correct - you can only view this season in its full context, as its completely unprecedented. Time will tell as to whether Conte is correct to have these parts of matches (normally 15/20 to 45 min) where the team tries to conserve energy.
Because of the lack of training time this season, changing managers for someone with an entirely different system doesn't work - see Chelsea.
Yes but Woolwich is far better than normal and United is picking up more points per match than last season. It’s not going to be the exact same sides in the same order each season. Generally, they’ll be a few big 6 sides struggling.
He ain't doing much to save his job but after Poch, Nuno and Mourinho we should realize maybe it's not just the manager. Keep him and give one more years for him to work as changing managers didn't help us at all along this years. If he doesn't succeed even with the rebuild then sack him.
I don't want Conte gone, I just want him to change. He keeps trying to use our defenders in the same formation that has been successful for him in the past. But look at the personnel he had in those past successes:
Juventus Back three; Bonucci, Chiellini, Bazargli.
Inter Back three; Bastoni, DeVrij, Skriniar
At Chelsea the back three might have been Cahill, Luis and Aspillicueta, but they had an in form Kante and Matic protecting them.
He is trying the same system with (out of) Dier, Sanchez, Davis, Lenglet, Romero, Tanganga and Royal. Well guess what, it ain't going to work!
I know he is needs to be backed but that is not easy. Skriniar and Bastoni have already turned us down. Gvardiol will be stupid money. Well until we can get the level of defenders he needs for his style of play he needs to change policy and play to our strengths which is attack. We might let in 3 but we are scoring 4.
Just my humble opinion.
Juventus Back three; Bonucci, Chiellini, Bazargli.
Inter Back three; Bastoni, DeVrij, Skriniar
At Chelsea the back three might have been Cahill, Luis and Aspillicueta, but they had an in form Kante and Matic protecting them.
He is trying the same system with (out of) Dier, Sanchez, Davis, Lenglet, Romero, Tanganga and Royal. Well guess what, it ain't going to work!
I know he is needs to be backed but that is not easy. Skriniar and Bastoni have already turned us down. Gvardiol will be stupid money. Well until we can get the level of defenders he needs for his style of play he needs to change policy and play to our strengths which is attack. We might let in 3 but we are scoring 4.
Just my humble opinion.
The Woolwich point is a good point. I’m sure that bothers a lot of our fans. What bothers me the most is our style of play. I’m not a guy that needs a lot to be entertained but when we constantly play scared, that bothers me. Especially with the talent we have in attack.Yeah these are all fair points and completely reasonable.
Personally for me Conte needs more time. I do genuinely think after the World Cup we will be better, I also think the club will buy 2/3 quality first players in January who should improve the first 11. Nothing is gonna work over night. The club are slowly getting rid of dross, but it's not gonna be a quick process. Everyone bangs on about rebuilds, but for that you need time. You can't rebuild in 12months. For me I think the season to judge Conte is next season, because they'll be no excuses player/squad wise and we won't have World Cup rammed in the middle. Whether Conte will be here is a different matter and everything we will have debated would be irrelevant but I just say trust the process...
Conte has been very honest, but he's never once said that we can win the league instantly under him and that it will take time. For me, another reason a lot of fans are frustrated is because Woolwich are top. It's like last season, 5th would have been a good finish but the reason we wanted 4th so much was because it was Woolwich who's position we were taking which I completely understand.
I’m fine with a rebuild but I wouldn’t blame the club to not back Conte this January if he does not commit to staying. Conte and the club have to commit to each other or this will not work.
Whilst I am on board with this in principle, if we end up spending £200-£300m on his players and this is the end result we are back to square fucking one with someone else coming to a ageing squad on high wages that nobody wants.
The problem is his contact is up this year. Until he commits, why would the club back him?
This is the main thing, the club need to make sure they're building a squad that lasts longer than a manager. Signing a contract doesn't really mean that much, he can walk away whenever he wants.
Totally this. What if he wants De Vrij (30), Kante (31), Malinovskyi (29). What do the board do, back him in case he throws his toys out of the pram or think if this doesnt work we're boned with a load of ageing players on massive 3 year contracts. The players he was allowed free reign on at Inter look like he'd raided a care home. Whatever you think of Conte the club have to think of a post Conte future, whether its summer 2023 or summer 2024. It wont be any longer than that.
Kante is a really weird link, the guy is broken, he is Sandro or Parker towards the end.
Tbh under Mourinho i wasnt 100 per cent sure we would beat marine.
Yeah. I guess Conte favourite, free transfer etc but i hope sense prevails.
Stopped watching at 0:42......
Why?
As expressed (as if it's some kind of 'badge'), XXX-Manager_OUT is evidently just a modern football meme/cliche at this point... So cringeworthy. Further emphasised by the way the other 2 clowns celebrated it like a goal.
I get what you're saying but it's easy to approach this from a glass half full (me), or half empty (you) angle which can skew things massively.
I don't for one minute think all is rosy, but when I look at the cold hard facts. Our position, and progress in the CL is probably seen as on course. Sure we left it late in the CL, we left it even later against AJAX but that's football. It's not over until the final whistle. Don't they say the best teams win when they're not playing well. I might be clutching at straws but I hope we hit our stride.
You know what
Nuts
, I toyed with adding that part, but in the end I felt the creditability of the competition has been so diluted, that whilst I would still celebrate winning it, I wouldn't be shouting it from the rooftops.Winning it might show a certain mentality we feel has been missing, and maybe it would help in future comps, but when most teams barely bother, you're not even beating the best, just average (ish) teams.
It's like winning a race at my kids school – no competition and embarrassing to celebrate, like the AUDI cup.