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Manager Antonio Conte

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Macch said:
Sacking Conte would be the dumbest shit.

Nothing will change.
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Are you seriously suggesting that there would be someone in the world as dumbfuck as to start Sessegnon, this season Son and surrender midfield in every aspect to in-form Woolwich?

Well, okay, I would believe there is also Nuno who could do this, but until we don't hire him back, we would upgrade with appointing every poster from the same fucking thread.
 
2 of the 3 top players we had in past, son and lloris, are dragging us to hell.
the stubborness with which conte continues to let them play make me consider for the first time that he has to go. not now but at the end of the season
 
Henry Hotspur said:
Over £1k for my ST and I haven’t enjoyed a game this season.

Stone Age tactics. Stubborn to the point of self defeating. Highest paid manager in the league who is taking the piss out of us with his ‘will he, won’t he’ contract posturing.

Out coached not just by Arteta but by virtually every opposing manager.

Of course the systemic and long term damage is on Levy but what has changed from last season to this?

Tactics, selection and subs were shameful today
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Great post because it's just too easy yo say ENIC and Levy.

You play the hand you are dealt.

If Conte were a manager from the Championship he would have been sacked by now and I am not one for calling people to lose their jobs.

He is not adding any value and Levy is staring him out which is risky but the right thing.

Once we are out of the CL (not long) he has gone.
 
StripiestPilot said:
I love the personality of Conte but I’m not sure his footballing principles really work at the top end of the PL. 3 at the back is a perfectly functional system and it’s a good thing to have up your sleeve but no other top team plays with that system as religiously as Conte. Our problems in midfield are so obvious and our wing backs so mediocre that persisting with 343 to this extent doesn’t make sense.

It is so clear that the players do not enjoy this system anymore, they are always tentative and never seem willing to move the ball quickly when the game is 0-0. Opponents do not have to suffer when they play us.

When it went tits up at the beginning of his Chelsea reign he quickly changed system, he has to do it now. Let’s sign a new RB who has some pace and attacking nous and we can at least go to a back 4 with Sess/Davies at LB and use Perisic as a forward instead. Our defence is not good enough to keep going with the back 3.
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I like his "win at all costs mentality". But you can have that without being so dour.

Luis Enrique is not exactly Pep. But he would at least have us try to score.
 
yes said:
The reality is that we need a starting right back, two new starting centre backs, a starting left back (Perisic is not a long term option), a starting goal keeper, a starting creative midfielder (our system doesn't work) and a replacement for Son as a minimum to compete next season.

Realistically, that's £250m minimum that a manager will need. No fucking chance Levy sanctions that.

Look at us arguing over £40m for a highly rated RWB in Porro. Big clubs don't argue over £40m. We're never going to be a big club under ENIC/Levy.

The sooner they fuck off, the better.
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What a load of steaming shit.

Yes, big clubs do argue over 40 mil. Most "top clubs" have never in their history paid 45 mil for a fullback.
Let that sink in for a moment.

And why on earth would this club pay this kind of money, if it is not even universally used position? It is required under current manager, under whom we play like fucking League One team and whose contract is over in less than half a year?

give me ONE fucking argument, why we should waste this kind of money in this kind of situation for this specific kind of a player??? When we need every piece of the resource for much bigger rebuild...
 
I’m still behind Conte, and I was one of the guys who wanted ten Hag when we were linked with him, Conte and Poch the summer before we ended up with Nuno. To start with, I don’t think Conte’s been faultless this season and sometimes I thought he persisted with some players who have shown absolutely nothing (yes, I’m looking at Royal), but seeing their alternative, it’s starting to get clearer why Conte didn’t fancy them either, because they aren’t an improvement.

Speaking of which, let’s talk a bit about the team. At this point, I think our most important players are Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski and Kane. The first three have been out injured for different amount of time, but I don’t think we stringed more than a couple of matches with all them together. So injuries have fucked any possible consistency in our season, always having to rely on different back-up players to fill the gaps... which brings me to... players we bought this transfer window have not hit the ground running. Except Perisic maybe, who I think is a decent player, the rest have been average at best. Bissouma has shown glimpses of the player he was at Brighton, but he’s not consistent at the moment.

Another aspect is Son’s form. Last season he finished top scorer and whilst I don’t expect him to hit the same heights, I think it’s still realistic to expect him to have a greater output than what he did this season so far. This aspect I think, has been overlooked a lot when people analyze our struggles. I don’t know why Son’s been so poor this season, whether it’s a tactical change or he’s just lost, or both, but we’re terribly suffering because of Son’s form. And what’s worse is that we don’t have a proper back-up here. I would have liked to see Perisic take up Son’s place, because let’s face it, probably neither Richarlison or Gil would do well on the left, but we persist with Son which makes things more frustrating for the fans and I think for him too because he’s not able to shake that poor form off.

And then you got to account for individual mistakes. Don’t think Conte can be really held accountable for this. I mean yes, you could argue that he’s starting those players, but let’s face it... the back-ups are prone to mistakes just as much. I’m looking at Dier, his back-up would be Sanchez... Lloris’ back-up is a midtable goalkeeper. Royal’s back-up hasn’t done much better either. So then you have to wonder what Conte might have done better. I, for one, don’t think he will change the formation, at least from 3 ATB. And I get it why, it’s his preferred formation and it’s something he trusted his whole life. It’s also something that worked fine last season and seemed to bring life back into the team.

I don’t think the players we currently have allow him to be more flexible either. If, like I said above, we move Perisic in AML, you get Sessegnon at the WB, who is most often than not poor. Same with Dier, if you replace him, you’d get probably a less consistent player in Sanchez. In CM, probably you’d expect to see 3 CMs, but then it leaves you with only 2 up front, most often than not Kane and Son, the latter is a ghost. Hopefully now with the return of Kulu, Bentancur and Richarlison, it allows Conte for greater flexibility and I hope these guys remain fit and we can finally string some matches together.

If you ask me, a proper ownership would have looked to fix the glaring gaps we have at CCB, RWB and maybe a good player at AML to replace Son with in JANUARY. Then, next summer, we would have flogged the fringe players, all of them, buy a LCB, a creative midfielder or a midfielder who can actually play fucking football and not pass it sideways and backwards and maybe another player similar to Kulusevski. But nah, they will probably sign some dogshit player this transfer window, whilst claiming that they tried hard.
 
JDK said:
Here’s the thing with Conte, he came into this season with basically a 100% approval rating among our fans. There’s no questions about his past record like an AVB. And despite the fact that our summer window does look worse by the day, he’s been backed pretty substantially in his time here. Basically everyone believed this would work.

The fact that he’s in some hot water now is down solely to his own brutal coaching performance this season.

Unlike every other coaching debate I can remember at Spurs, the debate is shockingly agendaless. We all liked this guy and thought he was the one would bring us to the heights we’ve craved and what we’re responding to now is solely the fact that performances, team selection, and management are all shockingly poor.
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We don't have to look far, there are MONUMENTAL fuckups in EVERY line in our team by our "world class" coach.

How the fuck can anyone justify totally freezing out a young player for first half of the season and then after basically just bringing him out of the cold and put him into starting XI of NLD?!?

People go and repeat "oh, but coach sees them on the training ground and has the most info". So... how did this happen? Sarr was still the same player. How did he went to not being used even as 80+ minute substitute to becoming starter in NLD?!?! Was he magically reborn or something? Or was he first just blatantly fucked over and ignored?
 
rusty said:
for me it has to be a manager who is not tied to one formation, Conte's 343 even tho he see's Son is out of form and we have no-one else (due to injuries) to play that third postion up front,
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That however may be a tough ask. Most managers at this level are fairly wedded to one formation. Poch only adopted the midfield diamond as a last resort.

But it would be nice to have someone who was tactically flexible and could adapt to our opponents quickly.
 
The Romanian Jack said:
I’m still behind Conte, and I was one of the guys who wanted ten Hag when we were linked with him, Conte and Poch the summer before we ended up with Nuno. To start with, I don’t think Conte’s been faultless this season and sometimes I thought he persisted with some players who have shown absolutely nothing (yes, I’m looking at Royal), but seeing their alternative, it’s starting to get clearer why Conte didn’t fancy them either, because they aren’t an improvement.

Speaking of which, let’s talk a bit about the team. At this point, I think our most important players are Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski and Kane. The first three have been out injured for different amount of time, but I don’t think we stringed more than a couple of matches with all them together. So injuries have fucked any possible consistency in our season, always having to rely on different back-up players to fill the gaps... which brings me to... players we bought this transfer window have not hit the ground running. Except Perisic maybe, who I think is a decent player, the rest have been average at best. Bissouma has shown glimpses of the player he was at Brighton, but he’s not consistent at the moment.

Another aspect is Son’s form. Last season he finished top scorer and whilst I don’t expect him to hit the same heights, I think it’s still realistic to expect him to have a greater output than what he did this season so far. This aspect I think, has been overlooked a lot when people analyze our struggles. I don’t know why Son’s been so poor this season, whether it’s a tactical change or he’s just lost, or both, but we’re terribly suffering because of Son’s form. And what’s worse is that we don’t have a proper back-up here. I would have liked to see Perisic take up Son’s place, because let’s face it, probably neither Richarlison or Gil would do well on the left, but we persist with Son which makes things more frustrating for the fans and I think for him too because he’s not able to shake that poor form off.

And then you got to account for individual mistakes. Don’t think Conte can be really held accountable for this. I mean yes, you could argue that he’s starting those players, but let’s face it... the back-ups are prone to mistakes just as much. I’m looking at Dier, his back-up would be Sanchez... Lloris’ back-up is a midtable goalkeeper. Royal’s back-up hasn’t done much better either. So then you have to wonder what Conte might have done better. I, for one, don’t think he will change the formation, at least from 3 ATB. And I get it why, it’s his preferred formation and it’s something he trusted his whole life. It’s also something that worked fine last season and seemed to bring life back into the team.

I don’t think the players we currently have allow him to be more flexible either. If, like I said above, we move Perisic in AML, you get Sessegnon at the WB, who is most often than not poor. Same with Dier, if you replace him, you’d get probably a less consistent player in Sanchez. In CM, probably you’d expect to see 3 CMs, but then it leaves you with only 2 up front, most often than not Kane and Son, the latter is a ghost. Hopefully now with the return of Kulu, Bentancur and Richarlison, it allows Conte for greater flexibility and I hope these guys remain fit and we can finally string some matches together.

If you ask me, a proper ownership would have looked to fix the glaring gaps we have at CCB, RWB and maybe a good player at AML to replace Son with in JANUARY. Then, next summer, we would have flogged the fringe players, all of them, buy a LCB, a creative midfielder or a midfielder who can actually play fucking football and not pass it sideways and backwards and maybe another player similar to Kulusevski. But nah, they will probably sign some dogshit player this transfer window, whilst claiming that they tried hard.
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good & thoughtful post, But Conte & his coaches see the out of form players and the injuries and should have changed the formation & tactics to take this into account that's what a good manager would do, not stick to a system he & we can see is not working
 
The Romanian Jack said:
I’m still behind Conte, and I was one of the guys who wanted ten Hag when we were linked with him, Conte and Poch the summer before we ended up with Nuno. To start with, I don’t think Conte’s been faultless this season and sometimes I thought he persisted with some players who have shown absolutely nothing (yes, I’m looking at Royal), but seeing their alternative, it’s starting to get clearer why Conte didn’t fancy them either, because they aren’t an improvement.

Speaking of which, let’s talk a bit about the team. At this point, I think our most important players are Romero, Bentancur, Kulusevski and Kane. The first three have been out injured for different amount of time, but I don’t think we stringed more than a couple of matches with all them together. So injuries have fucked any possible consistency in our season, always having to rely on different back-up players to fill the gaps... which brings me to... players we bought this transfer window have not hit the ground running. Except Perisic maybe, who I think is a decent player, the rest have been average at best. Bissouma has shown glimpses of the player he was at Brighton, but he’s not consistent at the moment.

Another aspect is Son’s form. Last season he finished top scorer and whilst I don’t expect him to hit the same heights, I think it’s still realistic to expect him to have a greater output than what he did this season so far. This aspect I think, has been overlooked a lot when people analyze our struggles. I don’t know why Son’s been so poor this season, whether it’s a tactical change or he’s just lost, or both, but we’re terribly suffering because of Son’s form. And what’s worse is that we don’t have a proper back-up here. I would have liked to see Perisic take up Son’s place, because let’s face it, probably neither Richarlison or Gil would do well on the left, but we persist with Son which makes things more frustrating for the fans and I think for him too because he’s not able to shake that poor form off.

And then you got to account for individual mistakes. Don’t think Conte can be really held accountable for this. I mean yes, you could argue that he’s starting those players, but let’s face it... the back-ups are prone to mistakes just as much. I’m looking at Dier, his back-up would be Sanchez... Lloris’ back-up is a midtable goalkeeper. Royal’s back-up hasn’t done much better either. So then you have to wonder what Conte might have done better. I, for one, don’t think he will change the formation, at least from 3 ATB. And I get it why, it’s his preferred formation and it’s something he trusted his whole life. It’s also something that worked fine last season and seemed to bring life back into the team.

I don’t think the players we currently have allow him to be more flexible either. If, like I said above, we move Perisic in AML, you get Sessegnon at the WB, who is most often than not poor. Same with Dier, if you replace him, you’d get probably a less consistent player in Sanchez. In CM, probably you’d expect to see 3 CMs, but then it leaves you with only 2 up front, most often than not Kane and Son, the latter is a ghost. Hopefully now with the return of Kulu, Bentancur and Richarlison, it allows Conte for greater flexibility and I hope these guys remain fit and we can finally string some matches together.

If you ask me, a proper ownership would have looked to fix the glaring gaps we have at CCB, RWB and maybe a good player at AML to replace Son with in JANUARY. Then, next summer, we would have flogged the fringe players, all of them, buy a LCB, a creative midfielder or a midfielder who can actually play fucking football and not pass it sideways and backwards and maybe another player similar to Kulusevski. But nah, they will probably sign some dogshit player this transfer window, whilst claiming that they tried hard.
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I agree with much of your post but not this. Gil is a left winger. Richie spent much of his time at Everton in the left attack role. Conte has options, he just won’t see them. Too stubborn.
 
ShutUpPatrik said:
That however may be a tough ask. Most managers at this level are fairly wedded to one formation. Poch only adopted the midfield diamond as a last resort.

But it would be nice to have someone who was tactically flexible and could adapt to our opponents quickly.
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yes I agree most managers are tire to one system, but potter is one who will change around a system, so there are managers out there
the whole point of coaching is to coach the players and that comes from the bottom up, too many acadmey & youth team coaches are part of the old players club using the same old stuff they were coached
at my grassroots club we had a couple of managers who would change their formats for different games 2 or 3 up front, 3 or 4 at the back, 2/3/4/5 in midfield they tried to give their players the knowledge to play different systems, they had 1 training session a week, not the 2/3 that pro youth teams have
yes its grassroots but you are playing like against like, (grassroots play grassroots, pro youth play pro youth)
 
Ulrika Jonsson said:
I agree with much of your post but not this. Gil is a left winger. Richie spent much of his time at Everton in the left attack role. Conte has options, he just won’t see them. Too stubborn.
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If I’m being honest, and this is not to excuse Conte, but I think Gil is not a top 4 player and definitely not a goalscorer like Son. If we want to replace Son, I think we’d do so with a player who has good off the ball movement, knows to attack spaces and finish chances. Granted, Son’s not doing any of that this season, but you get my point. Maybe Richarlison is more adequate, but he’s been out injured for a period of time aswell.
 
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