Liverpool 1st semi last year. He was excellent.
I agree overall but I felt much the same about Rice at the same age. That might be huge copium but hey... I'm a romantic
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Liverpool 1st semi last year. He was excellent.
I agree overall but I felt much the same about Rice at the same age. That might be huge copium but hey... I'm a romantic
I agree that it’s not worth the risk. It’s fake football and everyone does it and very rarely does it work.
Gray causes his own problems in that situation because he shows for the ball wrong. He receives the ball far too straight on where he lets the presser get a hit on him. He has to show for it at an angle where he can get his body between player and ball. I’m not buying into this he’s only kid. This is something you learn when you are 10 and we should expect better for £40 million.
He’ll learn from it hopefully and kick on again.
Gray points to his left for the ball to go there and it’s not a perfect pass, unfortunately. Vicario sees this and points to Romero to encourage a first time ball. Gray takes a touch instead and gets the ball nicked. He then decides to not chase immediately, but do a wee hop and skip on the spot, before closing down the attackers and he almost makes it. If only not for the pause for his wee dance.
95% on him and 5% on Vic for the slightly loose ball.
95% on him and 5% on Vic for the slightly loose ball.
Okay, and even if we accept that, we were average before the goal, and then got even worse.
The goal was atrocious and absolutely indicative of an all round sh!t show.
Everyone makes mistakes - he is unlucky that it cost a goal.
More relevant is - that we, our midfield and him were absolutely crap before the goal
I have seen nothing that says he is significantly better than Winks or Skipp - he could even be not as good.
Being nineteen - does not make him a good player
More relevant is - that we, our midfield and him were absolutely crap before the goal
I have seen nothing that says he is significantly better than Winks or Skipp - he could even be not as good.
Being nineteen - does not make him a good player
He needs to first time hit it, but it arrive to him not where he wants it, on his left, and so he has to take a fatal touch to try and stabilize.
They both should really just play it safe in that situation. Better coaching will help fix this.
hey? receives the ball too straight? the balls been given to him at the worst possible angle by vicario, he has one option available which is romero, the ball needs to be played first time as he has someone coming into him at pace, giving it to his left foot like that makes it pretty much impossible for gray to play it first time!
after vicario gives him a dog shit bobbling pass to his left foot, gray has to try and turn the forest player, hes probably not even aware hes coming in that quick, it seems the communication from these cunts is non existent anyway.
Just me or was he turning his head slightly in Romero's direction as he was about to receive the pass?
Looks straight at Vicario
The slight head turn in Romero's direction
Turns his head back to look at the ball again
Looks straight at Vicario
The slight head turn in Romero's direction
Turns his head back to look at the ball again
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His enthusiasm for running at Vicario and this head movement both suggest that he certainly knew the play, a simple triangle to relieve the pressure, but felt like controlling the ball first before making the simplest of the passes regardless. The wrong move even if there wasn't an opponent breathing down his neck: Play one touch football whenever you can to keep the flow going, we're moving the ball slow as it is.
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I think thats harsh but id take Winks and Skipp tomorrow. Way better than Bentancur and Palhinha.
It’s played to him to straight but he needs to show for it at an angle and force that big clown to play it on his safe side. Playing it to his left side in that situation just gets you clattered or dispossessed.
We have team full of mutes.
Utter shite throughout. I’d say average was very generous.
Fuckers make my eyes bleed. Never disliked a Tottenham squad as much as I do this lot. Topped off with a useless manager.
It’s going to take years to come out of this.
Watching our midfield is painful. Double the wings and pressure Rich, you're going to win the game.
Me too. In 44 years I’ve never been as bored watching us. Nothing about us.
I do agree but Vicario is facing Gray and knows he has a player up his arse and that pass is dangerous and probably isn't the right thing to do.
I have no concerns about Gray, as in I think he will hopefully achieve his potential, and we will see what his bar reaches.I do say hopefully
He is however surrounded with nothing like the consistency of performance from his seniors, who have the ability but for whatever reason do not possess the capacity to string together more than 1 or 2 games of half decent fare.
Youngsters often need role-models to learn from.
He is however surrounded with nothing like the consistency of performance from his seniors, who have the ability but for whatever reason do not possess the capacity to string together more than 1 or 2 games of half decent fare.
Youngsters often need role-models to learn from.
Apart from the forest player in the way
You can’t see him.?
You’re always going to have a player up your arse facing your own goal. That’s professional football
What’s also professional football is being able to take the ball and lay it off
This ain’t difficult
He's never a 6 in my opinion. Not clean enough technically to be receiving it there.
He looks good further forward and making runs beyond the ball like we saw against PSG and Bodo. Great engine and generally intelligent. Still a lot of upside there but the overhyping is to be expected given the general trash of our midfield this season.
He looks good further forward and making runs beyond the ball like we saw against PSG and Bodo. Great engine and generally intelligent. Still a lot of upside there but the overhyping is to be expected given the general trash of our midfield this season.
Yes - I've just watched it about 10 times and yes that's undoubtedly what happens, he looks at Romero as if intending to play the pass to him first time, then just doesn't do so. Personally I don't buy that it came to his 'wrong foot' - having watched it so many times, I actually think he could have played it first time with either foot if he'd been quick enough, such was the angle at which it came to him and at which he moved his own body. Perhaps it was the bobble on the pass that made him take the extra touch, but he shouldn't have done so. For all Bentancur's faults this season (and I'm aware there have been many), this pass is something we've seen him do correctly numerous times - come towards the keeper from a midfield position, knowing he will most likely have an opponent following him to press, and therefore play a first time ball out to one side or other (nearly always to our right, and nearly always to Romero). I love Gray and really hope he'll have a fantastic career, but for me, whilst it wasn't the best ball by Vic, it's actually Gray who is mostly responsible for this ending up as a goal. In my opinion of course - appreciate that others might disagree (some with valid points, others just because they hate Vicario).Just me or was he turning his head slightly in Romero's direction as he was about to receive the pass?
Looks straight at Vicario
The slight head turn in Romero's direction
Turns his head back to look at the ball again
-------His enthusiasm for running at Vicario and this head movement both suggest that he certainly knew the play, a simple triangle to relieve the pressure, but felt like controlling the ball first before making the simplest of the passes regardless. The wrong move even if there wasn't an opponent breathing down his neck: Play one touch football whenever you can to keep the flow going, we're moving the ball slow as it is.
Vicario played him a ball that he should never have played and Gray needed to recognize where the defender was and get rid of it faster than he did. There's blame to go around but Gray's problem was he didn't fix Vicario's mistake and bail him out, while Vic put him in that spot to begin with.