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Management Are the morals of our owners important to you?
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John, this kind of insane moral equivalence is ridiculous, a dislike of ENIC is in no way comparable to having your club owned by a murderous fascist theocracy.Airfixx . If Daniel Levy took £150million of Saudi blood and bone money for Harry Kane this January to fund a rebuild, would that be the point where you turn your back on Spurs and walk away from football?
I'm genuinely interested in how you would deal with such a moral dilemna
Similarly, it's not the same to fill your car with petrol in the UK as it is to go and work in that country and advise them on efficient instruments of death and torture.
I'm typing this on a device made in China. I have little choice in that matter, there aren't any anarcho-syndicalist workers cooperatives producing consumer electronics round this way. My minimal complicity in the genocide of Uighurs by using this device cannot possibly be compared to those who are actually involved in their slaughter.
Are any of us entirely without guilt? No. Are they vast discrepancies in the levels of culpability? Obviously.
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Absolutely agree. And if Spurs were brought by a Saudi led consortium we would still support our team. And 99 % of us would revel in any success that followed. Including those who hypocritically procrastinate otherwise.
no, Entitled cunts.
we all want to win the league, only one team can. United fans got very used to winning the league when they had no competition.
then Chelsea came along, then City and now Newcastle - they spend 200M on Sancho Varane and Ronaldo and they still complain about not getting a DM in.. they're fucking entitled pricks.
Some Liverpool fans have turned on their owners for only buying Konate when everyone else was spending. their owners brought them their first league title in 30 years and a CL ffs!
I'm sure the logic on here will be "that's not the owners that's all Klopp" like on here where everything good was Poch and everything bad was levy .
isn't is so great how black and white it all is eh! instead of being able to see that ENIC have actually made some good decisions as well as bad ones and acknowledging that doesn't make you an "Enic BOT" or whatever shit some people come out with.
I don't know how some of you would cope if you supported Everton or Villa or Leeds etc over the last 20 years.
I would posit that being a Manchester City supporter is somewhere much much closer to the cell phone end of that spectrum than the genocidaire one.
That no one ever levels similar accusations at Wolves supporters just gives the entire game away about what the real complaint is.
Which, for the millionth time, is okay and correct! The City project has harmed English football in and of itself and cheapened the value of the trophies they've won. Fans for whom glittering success is increasingly meaningless due to how accustomed they are to it and how lopsided the competition is deserve the stick!
You think? It'd probably be the final straw for me. I'd still be Tottenham, obviously, but you wouldn't see me here, fretting about whether Dier or Rodon was alongside Romero.
Goddamn right we wouldn't because we'd buy a real partner for him.
I would still support the team, of course I would. I feel I have no other choice, it's in my blood.
Would it matter to you at all John? What is it exactly that you want? or what is so important to you?
If you were a Man United fan, do you think you'd be happy with their spending/direction? or would you be GlazersOUT, equally if you were a Liverpool fan. would you be annoyed they did very little business in the summer? FSG OUT? Parasites etc?
genuinely inteterested.
which owners are doing a good job?
Essentially, I don't support Spurs on the basis of us Winning Things. My bond with the club is no different from that that Chesterfield fans have with their team.
Fifty years of following the Hotspurs has taught me that if you're obsessed with silverware, Tottenham isn't the club for you.
Fifty years of following the Hotspurs has taught me that if you're obsessed with silverware, Tottenham isn't the club for you.
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The Glazers have taken money out of the club for years. Their facilities and stadium are rotting away whilst they do nothing about it, and not so many years ago they put the club at tremendous, unnecessary risk which they only survived because Ferguson was at the helm and steadied the ship.
Yes, money has been spent. But United are the biggest club by many metrics in the world. Their revenue streams are insanely high, so they should expect for the money to be invested. The Glazers don't spend anything the club don't earn.
And its been invested terribly for the most part too. Which is what most United fans I know are annoyed at. They accept that money is spent, but similarly to us (just with less spending) its been spent chaotically, without a long term plan, and on multiple managers with different playstyles.
They're exceptionally poorly run. United fans absolutely have every reason to point that out. They can have Ronaldo, Varane, Sancho etc all they like, but a midfield of Fred-Mctominay is still unacceptable and leads to an unbalanced side. Maybe their fans want more rational investment?
I'm not gonna go in to the ENIC/Spurs stuff because I've gone over it 1000 times on here and its tiresome now, some of you are happy with what you're getting and that's fine, you have a right to that viewpoint as a fan.
What I do think is, rightly or wrongly, the vast, overwhelming majority of Newcastle United fans welcomed the takeover and are looking towards the future with huge excitement. And I stress, rightly or wrongly.
What I also think is it's fantasy and delusion to pretend that somehow the Tottenham Hotspur fanbase is somehow unique and would react any differently to Newcastles, Man City's or anyone elses given the same circumstances
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This has been dicussed multiple times in multiple threads.
However, for the 4th most succesful team in England at the time of the takeover, it's patently obvious that ENIC ain't
5 of those clubs have won 89 trophies between them since 2001.
We've won 1
I don't think any of us do.
It would be nice to have owners who at least tried to focus on that though
You're probably right there, and as I say, us joining the petrodollar club would see me bowing out.
I'm 60 in a couple of weeks, I'm an increasingly grumpy old fart. Modern electronic discoteque music isn't for me, I lament the good old days of punk rock when you could understand the words and the songs had a melody. If the young uns want to cheer on the Gulf State human rights-washing operation that has a white shirt with a cockerel on it (crazy nostalgic notion I know), then good luck to them. I'll hope that they beat the Gulf State human rights-washing operation that has a cannon on its shirt but I'll be pottering about my garden, grumbling to myself before my wife helps me shuffle inside to watch a couple of Glenn Hoddle videos
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This has been dicussed multiple times in multiple threads.
However, for the 4th most succesful team in England at the time of the takeover, it's patently obvious that ENIC ain't
5 of those clubs have won 89 trophies between them since 2001.
We've won 1
Yes, fine but surely you accept we don't exist isolation.
the two most successful clubs in the last 20 years are Chelsea and City........ go figure they have the money that we and Liverpool etc just don't have.
secondly this metric only talks about trophies (I get it don't @me) but it implies that we had a better season in 2008 than in 2019 BeCaUsE We WoN a TrOpHy etc.
it doesn't take into account have a good team that was a CL for 4 or more seasons and reached a CL final but Yawn, none of that matters cause we didn't win the league cup etc.
Anyway you're right, no point in going in going over it again and again I just find it incredibly dogmatic and black and white some people think it is. Levy could be better, of course, he's made mistakes - absolutely. But the reality is it's not all been bad.
Anyway I'm off to get pissed. have a good evening.
I'm sure you said you were 60 in a couple of weeks a few years ago?
I just find it amazing that so many people on this forum have not used petrol for their cars all their lives or all the chinese goods. Such high level of morality.I'm sure you said you were 60 in a couple of weeks a few years ago?
You're confusing the words "weeks" and "years" you senile git!I'm sure you said you were 60 in a couple of weeks a few years ago?
Born in the glorious year of the cockerel, 1961, although I was gestating when Danny lifted the trophies.
Still not murdering journalists, beheading gays or stoning rape victims is it?