Good Lord, the chances of Brennan winning the Ballon d'Or one day are as high as Nigel Farage winning the Nobel Prize.
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Player Brennan Johnson
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Oh yeah I forgot about him. Though I don't think the Community Shields should be included, they're charity matches but he still has more than Bale without those.
Ange instructed Johnson to be a cross first winger in his first season...what were the results? 11 assist the joint 3rd with Odegard and Palmer (2 players everyone was creaming themselves over that season).
Ange says to Johnson that his role is going to change and he now has to get on the end of the crosses his second season....what were the results? 18 goals in total.
Conclusion from the majority of the fanbase after all this = "yep got to sell him he's shit".
Ange says to Johnson that his role is going to change and he now has to get on the end of the crosses his second season....what were the results? 18 goals in total.
Conclusion from the majority of the fanbase after all this = "yep got to sell him he's shit".
Weird comparison. Both very creative midfielders who are responsible for midfield stuff vs a forward whose only role was to spam crosses. People were creaming over their creativity not raw assist numbers .. Palmer also scored 22 goals alongside that.
All it really actually shows is Johnson can follow very basic roles and do it competently but can’t shine all round.
Greavsie for me!
Who actually said this though?
Giggs was a great player. Bale was another stratosphere
Tend to agree on sheer entertainment and the fact he was ours, Giggs,. Personal family matters aside played over 600 games at the top level adapting to a lot of positions, a role model of a player footballing wise, clearly a bit of a dick off it.
Mowing the lawn this morning with his chant on repeat in my head for some reason.
Ole ole...
Ole ole...
No, that is a strawman branch of the point.
The point was that 20-something years ago, the remit of a forward was more about attacking and scoring. The players who won the big awards like Ballon d'Or weren't all-round utility players pressing, tackling, passing, and scoring - they just did one thing very well. Which is the comparison with Johnson. He scores, he gets in the right places, but he's not that great with the ball and doesn't do what people expect from a winger in the modern game.
mate assists are assists. Who cares if they are from spammed crosses or the player dribbled past 4 players before delicately threading a through ball. Ok I will compare with another winger...only Neto assisted more (1 more assist) from a right sided winger.
The point is that he was joint 3rd assists that season with 11 which is a brilliant return.
I’ve been one of Johnson’s biggest defenders, despite the deluge of nonsense from people on here. Great to have been proven right.
Even in mystified how ballon dor is coming up. That is a joke of a statement. Hes not top 100.
Even in mystified how ballon dor is coming up. That is a joke of a statement. Hes not top 100.
Johnson scored 11 league goals this season. His goalscoring record wouldn't have stood out even in the year Owen won the Ballon dor. We're talking about a player that Real Madrid bought and was scoring 15-20 league goals for years in the Prem.
They’re not. A creative midfielder who knits play together and also does centre mid stuff is infinitely more invaluable than a winger who has had a season where a lot of his low crosses have been tapped in. The Spanish know this, we apparently still don’t. Creativity isn’t defined by assists. Jacob Murphy isn’t as creative as Cole Palmer.
He does a good job with productivity and is a very end product focused player but assists is one of the most misleading stats in the sport. It’s the stat which makes Elanga and Murphy look creative.
Nothing has proven you right. Unless someone was arguing he was totally worthless. People don’t rate him because of the things he doesn’t do. He still didn’t do them in the final and he still ultimately isn’t good enough in my view to be a starting wide player for a team in the champions league. We’ve seen that plenty this season as he has been in and out of the side.
90% of what made that goal imo was a truly great delivery. Brennan delivered the run which is nice but of course it’s TFC and it’s being over-egged.
None of the criticisms of him have been undone now. They’re still valid. I don’t have to rate Brennan as a top 4 calibre footballer because of that moment. I also watched the rest of the 90 minutes and the season.
To me, Johnson is a significantly more limited version of Pedro. I’m content with that. I don’t think he will ever be more than that. I might be wrong. That’s also fine.
I mean, you (and others saying this) could just go back a page a or so and go "oh okay, no one actually said that".
I put a further reply to it 12 mins before yours.
It was a simple comparison that a forward scoring a goal every 2 games and getting a winning european final goal (no matter how scruffy/dubious) around 20 years ago would be considered eligible for an individual accolade.
Take it that I'm mystified as to how any of that has translated into suggesting Johnson should be anywhere near a nomination in the current day, aside from intentional out-of-context replies just to make a hyperbolic response.
That being said, I personally think Modric has been the only worthy ballon d'or winner for well over a decade, as it turned into a popularity award and not a footballing accomplishment one.
You sound like Ange mate.
Yeah I said at the time it was one of the few things people made fun of that I actually agree with.
Assists is such an Americanism. I used to care about it but when you break it down as a stat it doesn’t reflect creativity and there are so many outliers to it.
Comparing midfielders to a winger in terms of assists is all just a bit silly. Palmer maybe as he’s essentially a forward but again, he got those assists and then 22 goals.
Brennan is productive, he’s not creative .. there’s a difference. The difference is how Yamal creates a similar number of assists vs how he does it.
You wouldn’t have to spend much to keep up with him.