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Ex-Spurs Player Brennan Johnson

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Paulinho was a lot better than Johnson .. Johnson would never be a regular for a title winning Barcelona. He can barely nail down a spot for Wales.
 
Deuterz said:
It’s not the hardest part of football. There are extremely limited footballers who score goals in this league ffs. Much rarer types of player than a poacher out there, give it a rest .. this mentality belongs in the era where Inzaghi carved out a top level career.

He has 2 league goals in 12 appearances this season. Not sure about Wales. They seem to have realised he sucks too and some player from Nantes plays over him.
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The rest of the Football World disagrees with you, which is why goal scorers command the highest fees and the highest wages.
 
Ionman34 said:
The rest of the Football World disagrees with you, which is why goal scorers command the highest fees and the highest wages.
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Lol no it doesn’t. The highest valued players are goalscorers who are also very good footballers and add goals that wouldn’t be scored otherwise, not the tap in merchants.

Haaland is a goalscorer who is also an absolutely terrifying prospect for defenders. Johnson isn’t, because he’s a pussy who just pops up at the back post.

Harvey Barnes and Brennan Johnson don’t command the highest wages or fees. They don’t even start.

Most valuable player right now is probably Yamal. More ability in one of his toenails than in Brennan’s entire body & he probably scores less league goals.
 
Deuterz said:
Wissa is a clumsy fucking mess of legs and scored 19 league goals ffs. Brentford have another in Schade who got 11 and can barely control a football. There’s two on the same team last season! Fucking Soucek in this league (arguably one of the worst footballers around technically) hit solid numbers repeatedly from midfield. Chris Wood and Hwang Hee Chan both hit double figures seasons previously.

The difference here is that these are units who offer aggression and an out ball. Johnson offers meekness. He has one top asset: off the ball movement. Beyond that he’s a bog standard championship winger who has been replaced in his NT by a guy with a few assists for Nantes.

The goalscoring stuff is all guff. He has less goals per 90 than Harvey Barnes in his Pl career. Less assists per 90 than Harvey Barnes. And exceeds his xG less than Barnes because Barnes is a much more varied finisher who is a threat from the edge or beyond too.

And Barnes is bang average & doesn’t start for Newcastle because he’s technically mid in possession. Same as Johnson except Johnson is more of a hider. When we finally come to sell Johnson we will take a huge hit and the clubs lining up will be poor - and the whole ‘hardest thing to do in football!’ cliche will look as stupid as it’s always sounded.
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Your argument for goalscoring and extremely limited is such a poor one as to nearly invalidate anything you say that might hold some value.

Move on from your Johnson hatred. It really stinks.

The craziest thing is that I said he needs to add a bit more to his game, beyond the goals.

Unreal.
 
Notabadsquad said:
Your argument for goalscoring and extremely limited is such a poor one as to nearly invalidate anything you say that might hold some value.

Move on from your Johnson hatred. It really stinks.

The craziest thing is that I said he needs to add a bit more to his game, beyond the goals.

Unreal.
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Nope, you just overvalue the act of goalscoring. A lot goes in to scoring goals. The guy that taps it in is just a small part of it. Generally now the ones tapping it in are also expected to be very good at the other stuff - the game has changed. Top teams don’t have limited players anymore whose role is just ball in net. The poacher is dead.

I’m sorry if you can’t keep up with that.

I don’t “hate” Johnson - I do think he’s a really bad player. I consistently show why I think this. The arguments for are just ‘he scores goals’ and nothing else. There is a reason for that.

He needs to add a LOT to his game.
 
Deuterz said:
Nope, you just overvalue the act of goalscoring. A lot goes in to scoring goals. The guy that taps it in is just a small part of it. Generally now the ones tapping it in are also expected to be very good at the other stuff - the game has changed. Top teams don’t have limited players anymore whose role is just ball in net. The poacher is dead.

I’m sorry if you can’t keep up with that.

I don’t “hate” Johnson - I do think he’s a really bad player. I consistently show why I think this. The arguments for are just ‘he scores goals’ and nothing else. There is a reason for that.

He needs to add a LOT to his game.
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We disagree quite extensively on this, with the biggest aspect being that of goalscoring at the PL level.

Let's just leave it and see how it pans out.
 
Deuterz said:
Lol no it doesn’t. The highest valued players are goalscorers who are also very good footballers and add goals that wouldn’t be scored otherwise, not the tap in merchants.

Haaland is a goalscorer who is also an absolutely terrifying prospect for defenders. Johnson isn’t, because he’s a pussy who just pops up at the back post.

Harvey Barnes and Brennan Johnson don’t command the highest wages or fees. They don’t even start.

Most valuable player right now is probably Yamal. More ability in one of his toenails than in Brennan’s entire body & he probably scores less league goals.
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LOL, yes it does.

The highest amounts of money, in transfer fees and wages, consistently go to those who scored the most goals.

History has proven that consistently.

Barnes and Johnson don't even come close to that criteria, as their goal returns are nowhere near putting them in that bracket.

What exactly are defenders "terrified" of where Haaland is concerned? Could it be that he scores a lot of goals? It's certainly not his assist ability, it's not because of his creativity or ability to control a game, an average of around 20 touches a game belies that.

He's a goalscorer and, as such, commands ridiculous wages, he's on more than De Bruyne was at his peak, and De Bruyne is arguably the best Footballer the Prem has ever seen. He's on more than double Rodri's wage, another rated as the best in the World in his position.

Salah is the highest paid player at Liverpool, Kai Havertz the highest at the scum, Lewandowski at Barca, Mbappe at RM, Vlahovic at Juve and Martinez at Milan, Dembele at PSG, the list goes on across the World.

Good strikers are paid more than their peers, consistently across the globe, because they score goals consistently. They predominantly cost more to buy because of that ability, not because they're "good Footballers as well."

You literally have pundits, who've spent their entire lives in the Football World, state that the most difficult part of the game is putting the ball in the back of the net. They weren't all strikers either.

For the record, I don't agree that it's the hardest part of the game, I think that accolade should go to proper midfielders myself, but even they only really see their value increase dramatically if they are weighing in with goals.
 
Ionman34 said:
LOL, yes it does.

The highest amounts of money, in transfer fees and wages, consistently go to those who scored the most goals.

History has proven that consistently.

Barnes and Johnson don't even come close to that criteria, as their goal returns are nowhere near putting them in that bracket.

What exactly are defenders "terrified" of where Haaland is concerned? Could it be that he scores a lot of goals? It's certainly not his assist ability, it's not because of his creativity or ability to control a game, an average of around 20 touches a game belies that.

He's a goalscorer and, as such, commands ridiculous wages, he's on more than De Bruyne was at his peak, and De Bruyne is arguably the best Footballer the Prem has ever seen. He's on more than double Rodri's wage, another rated as the best in the World in his position.

Salah is the highest paid player at Liverpool, Kai Havertz the highest at the scum, Lewandowski at Barca, Mbappe at RM, Vlahovic at Juve and Martinez at Milan, Dembele at PSG, the list goes on across the World.

Good strikers are paid more than their peers, consistently across the globe, because they score goals consistently. They predominantly cost more to buy because of that ability, not because they're "good Footballers as well."

You literally have pundits, who've spent their entire lives in the Football World, state that the most difficult part of the game is putting the ball in the back of the net. They weren't all strikers either.

For the record, I don't agree that it's the hardest part of the game, I think that accolade should go to proper midfielders myself, but even they only really see their value increase dramatically if they are weighing in with goals.
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Haaland can smash past a centre back. He’s the size of a train and as fast as any player. His unique profile means he’s undefendable at his best. The best footballers tend to be attackers and tend to score a lot but the value they add is more important than the goals. Messi scored a lot of goals, many of which he created himself. He wasn’t waiting at the back post for tap ins.

That and attackers = a more glamorous, attention grabbing position. This does not mean an inherently more valuable position. Keepers are the cheapest but probably one of the most important. The game is about entertainment as well. If Mbappe was half as quick but scored as many goals he wouldn’t be worth as much because he wouldn’t be as exciting.

ALL the players you mentioned (bar a Vlahovic) can score goals in many ways. They’re valued for their ability to ADD goals through their own ability. Salah creates almost as many as he scores. Nobody is paying a back post tap in merchant who can’t take a player on or exceed xG 500k a week even if he scored a lot more goals.

Lots of pundits say differently too .. it’s just a fucking cliche.

LIMITED goalscorers (Wood etc) are not their clubs highest paid players because they are perceived to not add much beyond it - the very good players at those clubs (MGW, Bruno etc) are the highest paid. It just so happens that the biggest stars are often also goalscorers. Soucek has more league goals than Paqueta but he’s paid a shit load less because it’s not the case that the goals alone = paid more.
 
Deuterz said:
On the bench today.

Deemed not good enough to start against Luxembourg.
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That Isak is sh!t as well, as he started on the bench against City.

I think you are blinkered and not reading my posts.

Johnson needs to do a bit more, within what he is capable of. None of us can do stuff that is not within our compass.

But on the metric of scoring PL goals, and to a lesser evidenced perspective, international goals, Johnson does okay, and better than many.

What we don't definitively know (unless you have that inside line) is whether Bellamy and Frank are seeking to eke out even more from Johnson or gently easing him out of their respective squads.

I don't think it's absolutely clear as yet, but both would be doing so and risking the loss of something that many players don't provide.
 
Notabadsquad said:
That Isak is sh!t as well, as he started on the bench against City.

I think you are blinkered and not reading my posts.

Johnson needs to do a bit more, within what he is capable of. None of us can do stuff that is not within our compass.

But on the metric of scoring PL goals, and to a lesser evidenced perspective, international goals, Johnson does okay, and better than many.

What we don't definitively know (unless you have that inside line) is whether Bellamy and Frank are seeking to eke out even more from Johnson or gently easing him out of their respective squads.

I don't think it's absolutely clear as yet, but both would be doing so and risking the loss of something that many players don't provide.
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Lmao there’s a big difference between not starting for WALES ahead of literal championship players and not starting for Liverpool ahead of Gakpo or Ekitike after having no pre season.

Any decent premier league player should walk in to Wales’ team. He doesn’t because unless a player feeds him a tap in he doesn’t score.

Maybe Bellamy wants a player who can create his own goals and chances ??
 
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