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Ex-Spurs Player Brennan Johnson

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Perryman said:
The fact is that the Europa is a lot easier to win than the league cup, money or no money. Last two seasons no drop down from champ lge to Europa . Also the two extra places take 2 good sides out of the Europa. Previously Newcastle would be in it this season , also Villareal who are currently top 4 in Spain. When the 15th and 17th teams in the premier league both get to the final , that says it all.
Who were the big teams we had to get past . Bodo? Or the worst United team in 50yrs.
Continentals think it’s a big competition but it really isn’t., but then they place great importance on the Super Cup.
Only reason we are interested is because of the back door to the champ lge . Any half decent prem lge team should be capable of winning it.
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“Continentals” don’t place great importance on the super cup. Put your daily mail paper down for a minute. If you ever have a chance to win it then you should go all out. It doesn’t have the same importance as it used to back in the day due to how much more exclusive European competition was back then.

The Europa league is far bigger than the league cup and maybe unfortunately is slightly bigger than the FA cup due to the dirty “continentals” offering a back door route to the champions league.

We played Bodo last year because they went on a great run and knocked out Lazio in the round before us. If we played and beat lazio you wouldn’t have your englander card out would you?
 
Deuterz said:
And yet the league cup final was the champions against fourth and the Europa league final was 15th vs 17th.

Almost like prestige isn’t always linked intrinsically to actual quality. It’s a bigger competition with better rewards because it’s a continental title with a lot of history.
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“It’s a bigger competition with better rewards because it’s a continental title with a lot of history.”

This ^. Spot on.
 
MemphisWill said:
Its the peak of Tottenham's last 40 years. I would hope they, and we, all cherish it.
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I think it highlights expectations of different age groups. For younger / newer spurs fans maybe it’s just not as important.

(No idea how old you are or when you started supporting Spurs?? )

Personally with half a century on this planet I’ve seen enough of Spurs to know I’m enjoying this Europa League win for all its worth.

We’ve come 2nd once in the premier league. That’s our peak.
We’ve actually finished outside the top 6 for about 50% of premier league seasons.
We’ve been in the champions league 7 times in total since the league format began and got as far/further than the QFs twice.

Last 16 is pretty much our average in the CL. That’s our level when we do make it. Probably what people expect this year too.
 
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nicoclaesen said:
His goal at home to Brentford was his best finish by a long way last season. I just can’t watch the guy anymore. I’m sick of watching someone who contributes next to nothing every time he’s on a pitch.
I spend a fortune to go to the football and I’m not accepting it anymore. Again I never went last night because I knew he’d start. That’s where I’m at with him.
I hate being like that with a player and we all have players that we really can’t take to. I can’t take to far too many of ours just now. Johnson,richy,Udogie,Spence and Sarr are all really grating on me because they offer so little. Maybe harsh on Spence because he can defend 1v1 brilliantly but on the ball he gives us nothing.
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I think this is a general thing in the Premier League at the moment.

I put it down to the whole 1 central striker tactics of the last decade.

It's led to a reduction in the quantity and quality of number 9 types and increased the amount of 10 goal a season winger types who are expected to score and create.

For me Brennan is the type of striker who would have formed a partnership with a target man, in decades past, and retained credibility as a goal poaching forward.

He's very much a victim of circumstances in my opinion.

His type of striker was very common back in the day and now are expected to play as a wide man, doing loads of running / tracking back, rather than through the middle as an out and out goalscorer.
 
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AberdeenYid said:
Your “fact”is pure fucking chutney. The League Cup has stronger teams in it, granted. But what is always conveniently forgotten, is how you get into the competition in the first place.

How do we qualify for the League Cup? Geography. That’s it. Where our club is based. Oooooh, tough assignment, how will we manage?

How did we qualify for the Europa League? We won 20 matches the season before and finished 5th in the hardest league on the planet. Significantly tougher process than being in the correct postcode.

The Europa League, when taken as qualification through to winning, which it has to be, is much harder to win than the League Cup.
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To win the league cup, Newcastle had to beat the champions of England and the second best team in England.

To win the Europa league, we had to finish 5th and beat the 15th best team in England.
 
Deuterz said:
To win the league cup, Newcastle had to beat the champions of England and the second best team in England.

To win the Europa league, we had to finish 5th and beat the 15th best team in England.
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And Newcastle beat an under strength Liverpool team in that final.
Who also lost to Plymouth in the FA cup when they chose to rotate players .

The joy of cup football in England.
Reality is Liverpool didn’t take that game as seriously as their league games. Similar story with City.

Wasn’t their true first team Newcastle beat in the final was it?
 
WillWilliams said:
And Newcastle beat an under strength Liverpool team in that final.
Who also lost to Plymouth in the FA cup when they chose to rotate players .

The joy of cup football in England.
Reality is Liverpool didn’t take that game as seriously as their league games. Similar story with City.

Wasn’t their true first team Newcastle beat in the final was it?
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It was their best eleven minus Alisson and Trent.

More or less the same team butchered us 4-0 in the semi finals.
 
There are probably two or three (max) tough games in the League Cup. Almost none of the top teams take early — although due to its nature and their entry point, there really is no early — rounds seriously.

In the Europa, there are 38 just to get there.
 
JackJones’Locker said:
There are probably two or three (max) tough games in the League Cup. Almost none of the top teams take early — although due to its nature and their entry point, there really is no early — rounds seriously.

In the Europa, there are 38 just to get there.
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Beating the two best teams in English football is harder than finishing 5th and it’s definitely harder than beating Europe’s fodder.
 
So what I’m getting is that the League Cup is a tougher competition than the Europa but qualifying for the Europa is harder and therefore the Europa is technically harder to win, even though it’s easier to win once you’ve qualified.

The fact that you have to be both good enough and bad enough to qualify for the Europa means that the qualification is a bit luck based.
 
AberdeenYid said:
Agreed he only gets a game when rotating. Weird when Brentford and Frank tried to sign him in three separate windows when he was at Forest. Last season, he got a goal every 180 minutes, the 94th percentile in the league. And he hit the woodwork 4 times, the 97th percentile. He’s got many weaknesses to his game, needs service to thrive and needs others to do a lot of the dirty work.

But what he is good at, what his stats clearly show, is getting into goal scoring positions and finishing the chances he is expected to. So often last season, if the ball had got through to him, he was unmarked at the back post, ready for a famous tap-in. Obviously, the ball needs to get there and he’s got to rely on a defender not clearing or a fellow attacker not getting there, but he’s in position, quite a distance away from the left back who has gone for a piss / completely lost his man. What is strange is that he lost his man so often last season, yet left backs didn’t seem to be able to stop it happening.

If we had a manager who knew how to get the ball forward effectively, he may find a player who, if played to his strengths would continue to be in the top few percent of attackers in the league, on a few of the most important metrics. Scored against Wolves, United, Fulham and Villa last season. Might have done the same this season with effective tactics. That would have been nice.

He also scored against Brentford……
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I do not disagree with your conclusion.

I have number of issues with Frank. But not getting tune out of a shit player like Johnson ain't one of the issues. That should not be the metric of managers quality really. It is true - he did score goals last season, no one can deny that. But nothing changes the fact that he is only able to put away chances that everyone else in the team put on plate for him. That kind of luxury you can have in some teams, but Spurs in current state is not one of them and Johnson ain't answer. If he is, the question is wrong.
 
Deuterz said:
Beating the two best teams in English football is harder than finishing 5th and it’s definitely harder than beating Europe’s fodder.
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The draw says that you rarely have to beat the two best teams in English football , you’ve a 50:50 chance that you’ll get a home draw against one of them and unless it’s the semi- or final, they won’t be playing at full strength.
If I’m correct then both Swansea and Birmingham City have won the League Cup in the last 15 years or so. When did either get to 5th in the EPL?

I looked this up.
Neither have finished in the top 5 in the EPL or its predecessor ever.
 
JackJones’Locker said:
The draw says that you rarely have to beat the two best teams in English football , you’ve a 50:50 chance that you’ll get a home draw against one of them and unless it’s the semi- or final, they won’t be playing at full strength.
If I’m correct then both Swansea and Birmingham City have won the League Cup in the last 15 years or so. When did either get to 5th in the EPL?

I looked this up.
Neither have finished in the top 5 in the EPL or its predecessor ever.
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You're wasting your time engaging with that contributor. Your points are well made.

The old adage could have been coined for that individual: never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.
 
JackJones’Locker said:
The draw says that you rarely have to beat the two best teams in English football , you’ve a 50:50 chance that you’ll get a home draw against one of them and unless it’s the semi- or final, they won’t be playing at full strength.
If I’m correct then both Swansea and Birmingham City have won the League Cup in the last 15 years or so. When did either get to 5th in the EPL?

I looked this up.
Neither have finished in the top 5 in the EPL or its predecessor ever.
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The league cup used to be easier to win (when Swansea and Birmingham did win it) but it’s on a long run of being won by very big clubs now. The list of recent league cup winners is much more impressive than the list of recent Europa league winners.

It’s all draw/luck dependent but last years league cup was a stronger knockout stage than the Europa league 100%.
 
Percy Clay said:
You're wasting your time engaging with that contributor. Your points are well made.

The old adage could have been coined for that individual: never wrestle with a pig. You just get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.
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Probably the third or fourth time you’ve third partied on a perfectly polite discussion with your bitter, pussy ass perspective. Being a little bitch and sniping from the sideline isn’t ‘reasonable’ and if you talk about me at all then you’re engaging with a “bellend” by proxy.

What you really mean is don’t engage with people who challenge your perspective. I.e I was an Ange loving sap who hated people pointing out how shit he was and now have a bone to pick because of it.

Get over yourself.
 
Deuterz said:
Probably the third or fourth time you’ve third partied on a perfectly polite discussion with your bitter, pussy ass perspective. Being a little bitch and sniping from the sideline isn’t ‘reasonable’ and if you talk about me at all then you’re engaging with a “bellend” by proxy.

What you really mean is don’t engage with people who challenge your perspective. I.e I was an Ange loving sap who hated people pointing out how shit he was and now have a bone to pick because of it.

Get over yourself.
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Nah he's right mate he called you a pig

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