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Ex-Spurs Player Brennan Johnson

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That kind of player aint coming to us in our current state.

I've watched him live enough times to know that selling him now (it should have been in the summer) is the correct move. The thread is littered with the reasons why. I wont repeat myself or others.
I would generally agree, but there must be someone out there that could grasp the opportunity. We’ve replaced a Johnson with Kudus, its cost us a lot of money and the needle hasn’t moved a millimetre.

Kudus is so much better at dribbling, protecting the ball, assisting and being marked by two other players. But he’s not enough of a threat on goal (certainly due to the marked by two players thing). But can you honestly see his return being as good as BJ when we sign a class LW that reduces the two man thing? If so, what are you seeing that I’m not?
 
He scored 5 goals in all competitions in 23/24 to become our 4th highest goal scorer, joint with Romero, for that season.

He scored 18 goals in all competitions in 24/25 to become our leading goal scorer for that season.

Other things being equal, there's no reason to assume the latter [and not the former] to reflect better his abilities as a player. Yet that seems to be the implication whenever the phrase our top goal scorer gets thrown around.
Gotcha. Thank you. I mean, there is recency bias at play there, but that’s generally regarded as the best mark of quality or otherwise.

We were 17th last season and 5th the one before. You’d agree that we are closer to the former than the latter at present? Recent form suggests ongoing form. Same for the team as the player.

Saying all that, under Frank, he’d have no chance of those numbers, so none of this is played out in a vacuum.
 
He scored 5 goals in all competitions in 23/24 to become our 4th highest goal scorer, joint with Romero, for that season.

He scored 18 goals in all competitions in 24/25 to become our leading goal scorer for that season.

Other things being equal, there's no reason to assume the latter [and not the former] to reflect better his abilities as a player. Yet that seems to be the implication whenever the phrase our top goal scorer gets thrown around.
10 goals for Forest the season before he joined us. That’s probably a true reflection of his goal scoring ability — somewhere between the two extremes presented by Spurs fans with an agenda.
 
A view from KUMB so Palace are using Nketiah to fund BJ?

Realise that for the players we're not much of a choice, but seeing Brennan Johnson going to Palace is frustrating - exactly the kind of player we needed; can play off the left and right and upfront.

Johnson for £35m, Strand Larson for £40m, Traore for £4m might seem like a crazy outlay but they were all available and would have transformed our attack. Instead we're going to help Palace fund buying Johnson by buying Eddie Nketiah..
 
I would generally agree, but there must be someone out there that could grasp the opportunity. We’ve replaced a Johnson with Kudus, its cost us a lot of money and the needle hasn’t moved a millimetre.

Kudus is so much better at dribbling, protecting the ball, assisting and being marked by two other players. But he’s not enough of a threat on goal (certainly due to the marked by two players thing). But can you honestly see his return being as good as BJ when we sign a class LW that reduces the two man thing? If so, what are you seeing that I’m not?
Super post.
 
but that’s generally regarded as the best mark of quality or otherwise.
Generally; not when we're looking at two consecutive seasons. It's not like I went back in time to dig out an all-time low season to make him look bad.

He has had 3 seasons at the top level, a relatively small sample to draw far reaching conclusions from either way, and the first 2 of them portray a player who is nothing special in that department.

22/23:10 goals in 3303 minutes
23/24: 5 goals in 2506 minutes

Only the most recent one where he scored 18 stands out, which could very well be due to other reasons than him elevating his game to a new level during this time.

We were 17th last season and 5th the one before. You’d agree that we are closer to the former than the latter at present?
I wouldn't.

Historical record indicates that keeping a solid defense, defined here as one that could concede less than 50 in a season, is enough almost by itself to stay inside the top 10. Hardly a daunting task for me.

And the fact that we've, even with Frank's dire football and inadequate personnel, scored 27 in 18 and are on pace for a 57 goal season strongly hints that we could aim even higher than 10th. Teams that score in the 55-60 range regularly earn themselves European football, or come extremely close to it.

A team that concedes less than 50 while also scoring in the 55-60 range could very well finish 7th or 8th. Either way, even a 10th place finish would be closer to 5th than to 17th.

This constant lowering of expectations by Frank is an act of self-preservation that we shouldn't fall for; numbers and trends tell a very different story.

Recent form suggests ongoing form. Same for the team as the player.
Forest finished 16th in 22/23, 17th in 23/24 and 7th in 24/25.

Even without the Nuno and the Ange debacles early in the season that cost them a lot of points, they as a club were always closer to the first two.

Saying all that, under Frank, he’d have no chance of those numbers, so none of this is played out in a vacuum.
Sure.

There is nothing keeping anybody from making a case that Johnson from now on will be the kind of goal scorer implied by his numbers from last season; and that it wasn't a huge outlier of a campaign.

The case needs to be actually made though. Again, other things being equal, we have little reason other than recency bias to consider 24/25 as more reflective of his abilities than 23/24 or 22/23.
 
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Will always be grateful to Johnson for that night in Bilbao.

This is a good transfer for Spurs particularly to do it early. Maybe the Lewis kids are bringing real change to the club?

Suspect Johnson will thrive at a club like Palace. His skill set has always suited a counter attacking team, not a spurs. He will get more one-on-ones than he ever could at Spurs.
 
Generally; not when we're looking at two consecutive seasons. It's not like I went back in time to dig out an all-time low season to make him look bad.

He has had 3 seasons at the top level, a relatively small sample to draw far reaching conclusions from either way, and the first 2 of them portray a player who is nothing special in that department.

22/23:10 goals in 3303 minutes
23/24: 5 goals in 2506 minutes

Only the most recent one where he scored 18 stands out, which could very well be due to other reasons than him elevating his game to a new level during this time.


I wouldn't.

Historical record indicates that keeping a solid defense, defined here as one that could concede less than 50 in a season, is enough almost by itself to stay inside the top 10. Hardly a daunting task for me.

And the fact that we've, even with Frank's dire football and inadequate personnel, scored 27 in 18 and are on pace for a 57 goal season strongly hints that we could aim even higher than 10th. Teams that score in the 55-60 range regularly earn themselves European football, or come extremely close to it.

A team that concedes less than 50 while also scoring in the 55-60 range could very well finish 7th or 8th. Either way, even a 10th place finish would be closer to 5th than to 17th.

This constant lowering of expectations by Frank is an act of self-preservation that we shouldn't fall for; numbers and trends tell a very different story.


Forest finished 16th in 22/23, 17th in 23/24 and 7th in 24/25.

Even without the Nuno and the Ange debacles early in the season that cost them a lot of points, they as a club were always closer to the first two.


Sure.

There is nothing keeping anybody from making a case that Johnson from now on will be the kind of goal scorer implied by his numbers from last season; and that it wasn't a huge outlier of a campaign.

The case needs to be actually made though. Again, other things being equal, we have little reason other than recency bias to consider 24/25 as more reflective of his abilities than 23/24 or 22/23.
All fair points. We lived through something like this with Kane. How many seasons was he a one season wonder? He got 4 in his first half season, then 31 the following one. Time proved we should have looked at his second season numbers to predict his future.

Johnson’s future may be a few goals a season, we have no idea if that’s the case or not. He may very well, embarrassingly enough, go to Palace and score more than our top scorer for the season. What we know, for a fact, is he was our top scorer last season. That’s the only fact at play here, the rest is guesswork. So, the top scorer thing isn’t a gotcha, it’s the truth and not a punt.
 
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