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Ex-Spurs Player Christian Eriksen

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They won the league in 2015-16 which obviously is a huge accomplishment. Since then they've finished...

12th
9th
9th

Go back to the start of 2015-16 and tally all the points from then to now...

TOT: 324 points
LC: 256 points

The difference is they did a better job capitalizing in 2015-16 and are off to a hot start this year. We've consistently been a far superior team to them.

Sure, but of course we had a better squad than they did even in 15-16, as well as a better manager, and greater financial resources.

What we didn't have was confidence we could use a massive influx from targeted player sales to strengthen the squad over the long term. The Walker-for-Aurier swap indicates that maybe that was well-founded. But a club that doesn't have a strong ability to scout for talent and fit is a sinking ship, just ask United.

One way or another, eventually everyone we've got will need replacing. We've failed to replace Walker. We've kinda-sorta replaced Dembele at enormous net cost. We've got expensive question marks penciled in to replace Eriksen, Toby and Jan. Drip, drip, drip.
 
At the conclusion of 2016-17 we had a good 10-12 players who were on wages massively below the market rate, most or all of whom had enormous transfer market value.

Since that very season we have tried to extend all our key players deals on far improved wages (and in most cases succeeded). Let's not pretend we simply ignored the market pressures... we didn't.

Ultimately, each of the much fabled players in question has EVER right to run their deals down and there's NOTHING we can have done to stop them if they were determined to do so.

Trying to just keep all of them while nipping and tucking at the wage structure was a shaky strategy. You risk players running down their contracts, hard feelings in the squad, but also loss of form and loss of that value (Dier, Rose).

But of course, at one position we tried the other strategy, and the Trippier/Aurier combo proved to be a shadow of what Kyle Walker gave us.

Ultimately you just have to know your players as athletes and as people and know the culture of your dressing room and the football vision of your coaching staff and make the RIGHT moves. It's not one-size-fits-all.

Letting it all go stale here seemed like a mistake at the time and so it has proven to be. A new manager and new ideas passes the straight face test for a sensible next step from there, but big, thorny squad questions loom.

The broader idea of "stale"(*) seems a bit out of whack to me considering the goings on surrounding the new stadium. Anyway, aren't we at a point where a large portion of the fanbase would argue it was in fact the manager that got stale?

(*Sure, confirmation bias of those that forever protest that we never spend enough will see this as vindication and excuse to further regurgitate their endless complaining, but I shan't waste my time indulging such 1-dimensional thinking...)

Beyond that...

It could very easily have turned out differently though. If we sell 1-2 key players as you suggest, do we make the Champions League final last year? Obviously we didn't win but the publicity and funds gained were huge.

It's a bit simple minded to me to say it was all a mistake because even though we may get less or nothing for them now, we gained a bunch elsewhere along the way.

^^^^^ What this guy said.

(Then add to that the fact that so many fans would have eagerly re-adopted the notion of us being a selling club as a stick to beat us with.)

We rode a financially challenging period in the clubs growth by 'squeezing' some assets for their immediate, on-pitch value to the broader 'project', rather than cash in on them and roll the dice on replacing them during a near 2 year spell playing away from home (which would have brought with it it's own integration issues, I'm sure). Ultimately, I'm cool with that.... Least of all because of the Walker/Trippier/Aurier scenario that you ( FightingIllini FightingIllini ) yourself highlight, but mostly because we have arrived in the new stadium, on track, having accumulated some damn good memories along the way, with a damn good squad and plenty of hope for the future. Even this current season looks entirely salvageable despite some shit early season form.

Did the fabled 'phase one' play out perfectly?

No? ....But it certain areas it played out far better than we had any right to expect.

Lastly, whilst some may choose to mourn (with the notable gift of hindsight) the fact that we didn't cash in on CE, TA or whoever at the peak of their form for us as the proverbial golden eggs; is it not fair to say that we have very much got value for money from the what we have forked out in terms of initial fees and subsequent wages.... ? (Rhetorical question.... Of course it is, especially once you consider Levy is also regularly accused of being only concerned with sell-on value rather the on-pitch value of a player sticking around.)
 
It's all a question of where we go from here I guess. You are certainly correct to say that hanging onto players had its advantages, but how much better might our roster situation have been if we'd made changes?

Who could have imagined Leicester City selling Mahrez and Kante and Drinkwater and getting BETTER? Well, that's exactly what they've done.

They got notably much worse first.... Let's not pretend they smoothly transitioned from title winners to Rodger's current crop. They've sacked 2 managers and suffered a few years of mediocrity since then.

...A dip that, by comparison, I don't believe for a second would have been universally supported by our fanbase. Look at how much bile has been spewed from our lot over the last 6 months FFS!
 
We rode a financially challenging period in the clubs growth by 'squeezing' some assets for their immediate, on-pitch value to the broader 'project', rather than cash in on them and roll the dice on replacing them during a near 2 year spell playing away from home (which would have brought with it it's own integration issues, I'm sure). Ultimately, I'm cool with that.... Least of all because of the Walker/Trippier/Aurier scenario that you ( FightingIllini FightingIllini ) yourself highlight, but mostly because we have arrived in the new stadium, on track, having accumulated some damn good memories along the way, with a damn good squad and plenty of hope for the future.

Ultimately I guess I just have a more pessimistic view of the future, one that I think more realistically connects to the rather poor form of the present.
 
The simple way to solve the Eriksen issue in January is tell him he's never playing for Spurs again.
He can go wherever he likes, but he's not getting picked and he's not allowed near the training ground.

If he STILL refuses to go then make sure his name isn't in the champions league list for the KO stages and make sure he is kept away.
We're paying him to do f all at the moment. Might as well give his squad space to a player who wants to be at the club.
I just want the turd out of the club asap, not just to bring much needed equilibrium to the squad but to also see him crash and burn in flames when whatever idiot club decides to hand over bundles of cash for him realises what a has-been they've purchased.
 
Ultimately I guess I just have a more pessimistic view of the future, one that I think more realistically connects to the rather poor form of the present.

With all due respect; and with explicit reference to my reply to you about Leicester..... Piss off; you're having a fucking laugh!!!

You're showcasing EXACTLY the lack of faith and understanding that I suggested.

....Absolute banter, Captain Hindsight!
 
Sure, but of course we had a better squad than they did even in 15-16, as well as a better manager, and greater financial resources.

Fake news.... The bulk of our financial resources were being directed towards a new bleedin' stadium!

Yet we still bought the likes of Toby, Son & Wanyama in that very window.

What we didn't have was confidence we could use a massive influx from targeted player sales to strengthen the squad over the long term. The Walker-for-Aurier swap indicates that maybe that was well-founded. But a club that doesn't have a strong ability to scout for talent and fit is a sinking ship, just ask United.

No doubt in mind on todays showing that you'd have been predicting a future of doom and gloom the moment there was a hint of CE or whoever being sold 2/3 years ago.

"Sinking ship"???

Get a grip!
 
Fake news.... The bulk of our financial resources were being directed towards a new bleedin' stadium!

Yet we still bought the likes of Toby, Son & Wanyama in that very window.

Wanyama yes, but Toby and Son were the year before.


No doubt in mind on todays showing that you'd have been predicting a future of doom and gloom the moment there was a hint of CE or whoever being sold 2/3 years ago.

Depends entirely on how the funds were reinvested. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer on that.

"Sinking ship"???

Get a grip!

If you don't acquire good players, you will eventually have a poor team. Simple as. Again, ask United.
 
We don't know that there was any such thing as a contract he couldn't refuse. Seems pretty clear he's got his mind set.

Also there's no guarantee that we could have sold him at any point. If he doesn't want to go to any club that has made an offer we can't make him. No matter how much the club has been offered.

Of course (hence the caveat I put in about him accepting) but at two years out we should have been pushing hard, instead of not pushing at all - which is how it appears it went down (from the outside anyway).

And his stock was extremely high in summer 2018 - he was thought of as one of Europe's best AM/midfielders. I'm pretty sure there would have been some decent clubs who'd have been interested at decent prices.


Lastly the 'unprofessional' label has (at least in my reading) been aimed at him pretty much exclusively from a not trying to the best of his ability angle, rather than a "how dare he run down his contract" stance.

I don't buy this at all. Unprofessional is refusing to turn up and train or play - a la Modric, Bale, Berbatov - because their "head's not right" etc stirring things up, and generally agitating for a move. Eriksen has not done this at all. People are just assuming because some of his performances haven't been great that this is some kind of deliberate act of sabotage,. but that's bollocks, he's just one of a number of players who's levels have dropped in a badly functioning team who's levels have dropped. It would be completely counter intuitive for him to deliberately play shit in a season where he would like to attract interest from clubs like RM etc.

Nothing he's done is unprofessional IMO. The statement he gave was foolish given the delicate nature of English fans, him running his contract down (when he could easily have taken a bumper new deal in the last 2 years and still agitated for a move like most billy big bollocks players do) now he's gone past that 2 year stage is sensible. And he'd be daft to take a contract before he sees what happens in January, and then maybe the summer, because him being free makes him much more viable business to any interested/interesting club.
 
Wanyama yes, but Toby and Son were the year before.

Nah.... You're wrong.


However, Wanyama was 16/17.

Maybe we should have sold him that Jan.... #GottaCashIn #Can'tStandStill :pocheyes:

Depends entirely on how the funds were reinvested. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer on that.

Hindsight + not being the one making the decisions or taking the risk...... Such a cozy position you hold.

Basically all you're saying is that if it'd have panned out to your liking, you wouldn't have complained.

If you don't acquire good players, you will eventually have a poor team. Simple as. Again, ask United

I repeat:

"Sinking ship"???

Get a grip!
 
Nah.... You're wrong.


However, Wanyama was 16/17.

Let's be clear here: in the season Leicester won the title, both Son and Toby were in our squad. So the question of where each club was at the conclusion of that season includes those two. That was the initial question.

I honestly don't even know what we're arguing about here. This all seems to center on a total misinterpretation of what I said about Leicester.
 
I’m beyond caring now. He wants to try something new? Fair enough. Cheerio.
Jose’s use of him in games has been sparingly thus far, & I’d be 100% behind a decision to let him train with the reserves until January. It seems clear that the Eriksen we loved has long since gone & replaced by a bloke who has his eyes on his next adventure.
Thanks for the memories.
Don’t let the door hit you on the arse on your way out.
:mourbye:
 
Let's be clear here: in the season Leicester won the title, both Son and Toby were in our squad. So the question of where each club was at the conclusion of that season includes those two. That was the initial question.

I honestly don't even know what we're arguing about here. This all seems to center on a total misinterpretation of what I said about Leicester.

You're not being mis-represented at all...

You're simply banging a huge hindsight 'drum' and using Leicester as a stick to beat us with whilst a) glossing over the progressive financial moves were WERE making throughout the period in question and b) highlighting that you in fact don't have the patience as a fan to tolerate what you're condoning. I'm reluctant to call it outright hypocrisy, but I can't think of a better fitting word.

...Oh and there's the hysterical notion that you're peddling that we are a "sinking ship".

Selling off key players off the back of 2 title challenges would have caused riots from the anti-Levy crew... Only a fraud would suggest otherwise.
 
using Leicester as a stick to beat us with

False. Leicester played the transfer market wisely. That's all I said.


you in fact don't have the patience as a fan to tolerate what you're condoning.

False. Americunts ability to endure losing in service of a fig leaf of a long-term plan would shock you.

the hysterical notion that you're peddling that we are a "sinking ship".

False. The long-term fate of our and every other club's ship depends on the quality of the players we're able to add to the first team. Statement of the bleeding obvious.

Selling off key players off the back of 2 title challenges would have caused riots from the anti-Levy crew...

Very possibly true. Though, fair to say selling Walker didn't.
 
False. Leicester played the transfer market wisely. That's all I said.

What about the 2-3 years they were shit and the 2 managers they sacked to get here?

Selective vision right there.

False. Americunts ability to endure losing in service of a fig leaf of a long-term plan would shock you.

.....Yet you're exhibiting otherwise.

False. The long-term fate of our and every other club's ship depends on the quality of the players we're able to add to the first team. Statement of the bleeding obvious.

....Again; "Sinking ship" - Care to qualify/clarify?

Very possibly true. Though, fair to say selling Walker didn't.

Cobblers.... The usual suspects were all up in arms.... "Selling club once more", "trousered half the fee for the yacht fund" etc. etc.
 
You aren't even pretending to try to listen. Let someone else play your Levy Out sock puppet, I ain't the one. :mourbye:

I'm "listening", I'm just not hearing anything that changes my mind about the points I initially challenged you on. (Go back to my first post if you need a refresher on said points....)

(Got nothing to do with "Levy out".... I'm alluding to a cross-section of our fanbase - here and beyond. It's up to you to cast yourself as one of the pitchfork brigade or not...)
 
hows he out of touch? If you are a free agent you can make a fortune. Look at Ramsay. A good player, not the best making a killing just because the club compensates for the lack of transfer fee. Almost every player should see out their contracts so they can milk clubs.

I don't give a shot about that cunt Ramsey, I have no idea why Spurs fans bring him up. As alluded to with the rest of my post he's been here long enough to know the score in the club so he should know that he's not going to get a better offer from us. I made no mention to any other club or player.
My post was in reply to the post immediately before it from Arcspace saying he had offers from the club but had probably deemed them too low.

Personally I don't like the player and don't think he's worth £5 a week on his current form let alone the £75k he's currently payed. As far as I'm concerned the sooner he's gone, the better.
 
Don't think it's about the wages.

I don't know or care what it's about to be honest, contracts and salaries should be private between players and clubs.
Personally I'm more concerned with his performances than his contract situation. He is currently a Tottenham player so he should be putting in a shift when he's playing. If he's not going to do that he should not be selected and should leave the club as soon as possible.
 
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