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That’s fucked us up though they’ll be chasing a new manager at the same time as we might be.

I doubt we’re favourites for anyone if they’re in the frame for the Utd job.
I think we might hold off on pulling the trigger on Frank for precisely the reason that both Chavs and now United are both rumoured to be keeping their powder dry on a serious appointment til summer, Rosenior looks like he's coming in to the Chavs job and short of performing miracles there will be off in the summer for a serious candidate and the early talk at United is letting Fletcher have it or bringing Carrick or Southgate in until the Summer under similar pretences to Rosenior. If those clubs have sounded out the usual suspects already in jobs and gotten a firm round of nos, we haven't got a fucking hope in hell of getting anyone in that will turn things around, it will be Carrick or Southgate or someone equally as worrying.
 
I think we might hold off on pulling the trigger on Frank for precisely the reason that both Chavs and now United are both rumoured to be keeping their powder dry on a serious appointment til summer, Rosenior looks like he's coming in to the Chavs job and short of performing miracles there will be off in the summer for a serious candidate and the early talk at United is letting Fletcher have it or bringing Carrick or Southgate in until the Summer under similar pretences to Rosenior. If those clubs have sounded out the usual suspects already in jobs and gotten a firm round of nos, we haven't got a fucking hope in hell of getting anyone in that will turn things around, it will be Carrick or Southgate or someone equally as worrying.
I'd rather Fletcher or Carrick's ma take over in a caretaker role than this absolute pish.
 
This seems like such an OGS squad to me.
  • Fernandes is still around, playing as well as ever.
  • Cunha could be that Rashford replacement that they've been looking for since the latter's best days under OGS
  • Mbeumo would be a massive upgrade over any of the teenagers that they had in that position when he was in charge
  • A Casemiro-Mainoo partnership in midfield could be an improvement over McFred
  • They also didn't have a striker back then; so anything he got out of Sesko would be a bonus
If they're going to take the caretaker route, he by far makes the most sense.
 
I'd rather Fletcher or Carrick's ma take over in a caretaker role than this absolute pish.
If you subscribe to the idea that a lack of consistency is a big factor in why we are where we are at present as a club then this kind of mindset has been a big contributing factor to the ongoing malaise, I was staunchly Ange out and still think it was the right decision ultimately but my stance has softened considerably as a result of the last few months of Frank's term, the managers were and are not the biggest problem we have right now, it's this fucking god awful, paper-thin squad and the ownership that has allowed it to become our squad.
 
It's an impossible job, because a new manager doesn't have to live up to the reality of Alex Ferguson.. They have to live up to the myth of Alex Ferguson. The myth that not only did he win the amount of trophies that he did... But he did it by playing gung ho, breathtaking, attacking football every week, comewhat may, while bringing through a golden generation from the academy every 4 years.

Ferguson, like most great winners was first and foremost a pragmatist.. Yes, he would throw bodies forward to crash the door down, And yes he would play young players.. But he'd only do those things if it would be in favour of winning. He was also more than happy to play for a clean sheet and stick with the old hands when that was also what the situation called for.
 
If you subscribe to the idea that a lack of consistency is a big factor in why we are where we are at present as a club then this kind of mindset has been a big contributing factor to the ongoing malaise, I was staunchly Ange out and still think it was the right decision ultimately but my stance has softened considerably as a result of the last few months of Frank's term, the managers were and are not the biggest problem we have right now, it's this fucking god awful, paper-thin squad and the ownership that has allowed it to become our squad.
Okay, but the alternative is that we carry on this way, which will create a bigger divide between fans and the playing team. You can't just do nothing.

We made a really silly hire, it hasn't worked out, so you think we just proceed and let things fester? We need to address this quick, because as hard as it is to believe, it'll get worse.

There are very, very obvious coaching flaws. As bad as the squad is, it's not this bad. This is inexcusable.

Firing Ange was the right decision. Hiring Frank was an appallingly bad move. Sacking him will also be the right decision.
 
Okay, but the alternative is that we carry on this way, which will create a bigger divide between fans and the playing team. You can't just do nothing.

We made a really silly hire, it hasn't worked out, so you think we just proceed and let things fester? We need to address this quick, because as hard as it is to believe, it'll get worse.

There are very, very obvious coaching flaws. As bad as the squad is, it's not this bad. This is inexcusable.

Firing Ange was the right decision. Hiring Frank was an appallingly bad move. Sacking him will also be the right decision.
It really is this bad though, name one player, just one, that Frank has had available to him since the start of the season, that would get into Poch's Spurs side? Fuck me I'd be surprised if more than 2 of them made the bench. Our squad with every player fit and the fortune to scrape through a season without injuries to key players, could probably scrape 5th again, looking at absolute best case scenario and factoring in how weak other teams at the top are this season, but our front line was decimated before a ball even got kicked this season, I think it's ridiculous to infer that Frank's football will never look any better or different from this when he's never been equipped with the tools to play expansive, passing football from the word go.

There's no way he's taking us down with how shit the bottom 3 are, and Chavs going in for a substitute teacher off a club they also own should tell you all you need to know about who's available at the moment, I really see no difference letting Frank have the rest of the season with some reinforcements in January vs bringing in an interim who the players know will only be around for 5 minutes and won't meaningfully change anything in the short term anyway.
 
It really is this bad though, name one player, just one, that Frank has had available to him since the start of the season, that would get into Poch's Spurs side? Fuck me I'd be surprised if more than 2 of them made the bench.

Yes, Poch has some exceptional players, but not in all positions. You could argue that his bench was worse.

Vicario, Kinsky vs Lloris, Vorm, Gazzaniga
Danso / Dragusin vs Wimmer, Sanchez, Fazio, Foyth
Bentencur, Palhinha, Sarr, Bergvall, Bissouma vs Dier, Sissoko, Winks, Skipp, Dembele, Onomah, Wanyama
Spence / Udogie vs Rose, Walker Peters
Porro vs Aurier / Tripps

Eriksen, Dele, Lamela vs Maddison, Simmons, Kulu
Richarlison, Solanke, Kolo, Kudus, Odobert, Tel vs Kane, Son, Moura, Njie, Nkoudu, Jannsen, Llorente
 
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