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1882 Concerning 1882: A View from a Season Ticket Holder

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The article raises some good points - and while I'm fervently pro-1882 there will be some 'teething problems', and then other problems, and then some more, just like in growing up as indiviadual :)

However, I want to pick up this idea of 'two dark decades without the prospect of a trophy'

The last time we went two decades without a trophy, let alone the 'prospect of one' was the 1930s and 40s, dark decades indeed for many reasons, but surely not what the author is referring to?

Because hardly any of the current STs he's referring to were going to games then.

I suspect he's referring to the 90s and noughties. In which case, if he has forgotten so quickly, we won two trophies in the 90s and one in the noughties. We also reached several other semi-finals, so far from the 'prospect of no trophies' we had a very real prospect of at least 5 trophies, maybe as many as 7, and we realized our aim on 3 occasions.

If you want to talk about 'dark trophyless' decades, well we're currently suffering one, again a fact that seems at odds with the writer's analysis of where we are today compared to where we were.

The author's views on this are worth noting and correcting, because they represent an oft held myth, that it's fantastic today compared to how terrible it was twenty years. But at least most who peddle that incorrect view (IMHO) don't make the mistake of forgetting our last three trophies.

Also this 'appalling football, substandard players,' compared to what we get today. We're talking Lineker , Gascoigne, Ginola Klinsmann, Berbatov, Keane, King, Bale, Modric amongst others who played in those decades. Was beating Reading 6-4 so much worse than beating Hull 1-0? Was beating Woolwich and Chelsea 5-1 so much worse than drawing with Chelsea 1-1 and losing to Woolwich 1-0. Of course there are many counter examples, but did the writer actively follow us during those two 'dark decades'? There are a lot of people (not me BTW) who preferred the Jol years to the AVB years so far.

Oh and I agree with Raiders' point, sitting in silence does make you a worse fan, and those who mainly are vocal in criticising our players, are far worse than that. To me they're not even fans/supporters, they're just people who pay money to hinder our team.
I'm sorry but this is the biggest load of bollocks ever. The article is clearly referring to the dark time at the end of the end nineties, early 2000's when it was truly dark. Those were the days when there was no waiting list for season tickets you would show up and they would show you round the ground so you could pick your seat. The days when only two games a year were sold out and the rest you could walk into the spurs shop in wood green and buy a ticket no problem. Nobody wanted to go to the lane because we were gash. We would lose to middlesborough and southampton and fulham on a regular.

Those were the days when we would get knocked out against a lower league club in cup competitions when they weren't even trying. When the team was full of Gary Doherty and Chris Perry. When we raved about beating a crap Leicester side in the worthless cup. Now we are challenging for champions league spots every year. We beat teams away all the time. I went to maine road in 2000 and whatever and saw us win away for the first time in the season and it was the end of January. Nowadays we have internationals all over the park and even when we're playing crap we're still 5 points off the top of the league.

The article raises some really good points. I remember when Graham was in charge there was so much in fighting amongst fans. Some who wanted to boo the team some who wanted to get behind the lads. I don't want to go back to those days. I don't want to be called a crap fan because I've had a bad day at work and don't feel like singing that game. I've been to games in Turkey where they have conductors who make the fans sing. It was great. I wouldn't want that every week though.

I think the 1882 movement is great but we've got to aim for harmony at the lane not division.
 
The article raises some very good points, and it is a shame some families do walk out, they should yes be better informed by the club

No it doesnt. Its all a load of fucking bullshit.
Everyone knows that the Paxton is the "Family stand" fuck off from the Park Lane if you want to sit down and have a good time "Analysing tactics" - WTF?

There’s not many teams in the league with a greater and more varied catalogue of songs and chants than Spurs.

Is this meant to try and take the piss, seriously? We have the most boring, monotonous song sheet in the premier league IMO. Anything 1882 tries to do to broaden it is alot better. How are chants created then? By keeping the same old crap week after week?

Not everyone goes to the game to sing. That’s just the way it is and always has been. There are many ways to consume the match – studying the players, tactics, or developing game with rigid fixed attention from a seat, with an unobscured view

I may be wrong, but isnt this the guy who is the choir boy from the Shelf side? I thought Mr Clipboard was up in the Paxton Upper? Everyone who is a PROPER Spurs fan whould know that the PL Lower and Shelf side is the unofficial singing section. The club shouldnt have to put this in the disclaimer when you buy a ticket, but if it needs to happen so be it.

Having paid a princely sum for it, it is every single fans right to enjoy the game in whatever way they choose without it being compromised or spoilt for them by the actions of others.

Well this is what is wrong with the modern supporter. You sir (Whoever wrote this) are a cunt. What did we do? Throw ticker tape? Sing a song you didnt know. Sit and spin.

Anyway, i've given up on this article there is so much wrong with it I just cannot be bothered to go on, I can quote every paragraph near enough but you'll all get bored...
 
Because you are what is exactly wrong with this movement. A johnny come lately who doesn't give a fuck about ruining the day out for others as long as they have fun themselves. Someone that thinks that everybody in the ground should behave in exactly the same way they do, and they are a cunt if they don't.
Nothing wrong with the 1882 movement per se. The article had very valid points. Twattish opinions like yours is exactly what is wrong with it.
You (and I am not talking about 1882 as a whole) somehow think you're better because you might turn up at 3 or 4 games a year and sing and act like a 12 year old kid, rather than commit season after season up front with your cash.
I've been going to the Lane since the early 70's by the way, still do all the aways and Europe, still sing, although find it harder to sing at the moment because there is nothing going on the pitch to excite me.
 
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Because you are what is exactly wrong with this movement. A johnny come lately who doesn't give a fuck about ruining the day out for others as long as they have fun themselves.

A JCL Hahaha! You cunt. Seriously, do better. That is thrown around far too easily. Im 21 years old. I have supported Spurs "Properly" (Home and away) since I was 14. You cannot punish me for my age.
I've been to Donetsk, Basel, Milan, Madrid, Twente, im about to go Tromso in two weeks. Domestically, i've been pretty much everywhere. When we were "Shit" so stick that up your arse you prick.

Someone that thinks that everybody in the ground should behave in exactly the same way they do, and they are a cunt if they don't

No I dont. Quote me on one post where I have said that. All i've said that the PL and Shelf side should be reserved for the "Unofficial singing section" then the west stand and paxton can moan and groan and analyse tactics all they want! Stop coming up with bullshit.

Twattish opinions like yours is exactly what is wrong with it.

Like what? I've completely disregarded your other ridiculous points so come back at me...

I've been going to the Lane since the early 70's by the way, still do all the aways and Europe, still sing, although find it harder to sing at the moment because there is nothing going on the pitch to excite me.

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I hate the "I find it hard to sing because of the boring football on the pitch" argument.
That's why football has sayings like "the twelfth man"
If you want galactico's 4-0's every other game then go support Barcelona. Football is a scrap between two groups of eleven not the fucking cirque du soleil.
You get out what you put in.
There's too much of a sense of entitlement with a lot of fans. Just because you pay money, doesn't mean you're owed anything. That's why it's called being a supporter and not being a customer.
 
Don't know how to do the separate quotes etc.

Your first point, you say you have been going for 7 years so you have been there when it was shit.

Well news for you young boy, we have not been shit in the last 7 years. In fact we have had the best team and played the best football (recently excepted) since the late 80's. If you think the Jol, Ramos and Redknapp era's were shit you would have killed yourself over the George Graham, Christian Gross ,Gerry Francis or Terry Neill eras.

You say that you didn't believe everyone should basically behave like you.
I refer you to your post only 10 minutes or so prior


"Well this is what is wrong with the modern supporter. You sir (Whoever wrote this) are a cunt. What did we do? Throw ticker tape? Sing a song you didnt know. Sit and spin."

Twattish, well basically your whole opinion to totally disregard, a perfectly acceptable article by a supporter that has been going to the Lane since before you were born, and slag him off in the process. Almost everybody (bar greaves) was being sensible in this thread and then you came along, and showed the down side to the movement.


I could do a tit-for-tat dislike if you wish and just reinforce childish behaviour, but I won't
 
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The two points I agree with:

1) Don't mug off our own fans, it doesn't achieve anything.
2) Have the club make it clear that North is Family, South is Singing. Safe standing would cover this, I'd hope. But I have felt sorry for some people I've sat near in the PL who clearly didn't realise it was a noisy, frequently standing area and would certainly have booked somewhere else in the ground if they'd known.
 
Brings me back to my original question, what surprised you?/what has he brought up that you didn't already know?

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The slagging of other fans has to stop.

This bizarre generalisation that most of 1882 only go to three or four games a season is very odd.
 
Brings me back to my original question, what surprised you?/what has he brought up that you didn't already know?

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Confirming stuff we did know, opinions and thoughts of others we didn't. The guy that wrote that article isn't the guy coming on the pod next week
 
The slagging of other fans has to stop.

This bizarre generalisation that most of 1882 only go to three or four games a season is very odd.


But as a group you do. Also you can tell quite a lot of the movement literally only go to the 1882 matches based on what they say on here when they announce they are going, and the age demographic. I know the vast majority of the true 500 or so hardcore every match home and away fans, I am sure quite a few make up the numbers, but you never hear any of these "new fangled songs" at aways, and I am sure you could/would easily book up as a group together if many were in this number, and try and get some of the songs started.
As I say don't have an issue with the movement, has many good points, in fact getting some of the songs going at away matches may be an idea to get more integrated with the rest of the fanbase, but just do not have the opinion that has been shown by a few that by doing so you are a better fan, and if they don't join in they aren't a proper supporter.
 
Mate pretty much all your arguments are groundless and ill informed.

1882ers only do 3-4 games a season ' as a group' - so what?

Bush Hill is a JCL because he has only been going 7 yrs - the fella is 21!

Familes are scared by 1882 - total rubbish. I saw loads there vs Espanyol with very young kids who were either loving it or the kids fell asleep - must have given them nightmares.

ST holders put in the 'hard years' so they should now reap the benefits - I can see that from the 335 that have their Man U tickets on StubHub (1.5 pct of the total STs). Reaping the rewards by legging over other Spurs fans. Far more distasteful than any thing 1882 have ever done.

I always thought we were supposed to be a cut above Woolwich and the bowl of silence. It seems some Yids are actually Gooner wanabes. A sad state of affairs.
 
Familes are scared by 1882 - total rubbish.

100% Agree. For the Hull game in the Capital One Cup up in block J, I remember there was a lady with her 2 kids. A boy and a girl. I dont know whether or not they were aware that we were to be up there at the same time or they booked specifically for us (I suspect its the former) but they were having the times of their lives.

Towards the end of the game the young boy, who must of been about 9 or 10 started a chant which the whole block carried on with. He smiled like a chesire cat for the rest of the game after that and his mum was really pleased as well. I think it is these type of experiences that really make a matchday experience. Not analysing and judging tactics.

Support.
 
The slagging of other fans has to stop.

This bizarre generalisation that most of 1882 only go to three or four games a season is very odd.

I agree, although I think I'm right in saying there are odd posts on this forum from people who say they're only going do 1882 etc. Whether they're serious or not, it probably stems from that. Personally I don't see too much wrong with that, as long as they're not slating the people who do currently stump up for the Cat A, B and C games.
 
Mate pretty much all your arguments are groundless and ill informed.

1882ers only do 3-4 games a season ' as a group' - so what?

Bush Hill is a JCL because he has only been going 7 yrs - the fella is 21!

Familes are scared by 1882 - total rubbish. I saw loads there vs Espanyol with very young kids who were either loving it or the kids fell asleep - must have given them nightmares.

ST holders put in the 'hard years' so they should now reap the benefits - I can see that from the 335 that have their Man U tickets on StubHub (1.5 pct of the total STs). Reaping the rewards by legging over other Spurs fans. Far more distasteful than any thing 1882 have ever done.

I always thought we were supposed to be a cut above Woolwich and the bowl of silence. It seems some Yids are actually Gooner wanabes. A sad state of affairs.

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1. So nothing - I was just referring back to why flav thinks that there is a general perception that 1882 people only go to 3 or 4 games a year. That is because as a group you do.
2. Yes 21, and a lot of growing up to do.
3. Totally agree, anti Stubhub myself. However is 1 in 60 people now finding they are not able to attend a match having bought the ticket 6 months ago totally surprising. Obviously there are quite a few fleecing and that is totally out of order.
4. I don't think it is like that. Problem we have currently though is the lack of entertainment, almost the lack of affinity with the team and the manager who lacks any charisma, for whom the majority the jury is still out on. We have been brought up with entertainers, and playing entertaining football (bar say the Graham era, when the ground atmosphere was similar to what it is today). We haven't even got a terrace hero (e.g. Benny or Rafa) to get behind at the moment. The crowd I am certain want to get behind the team, the problem is bar the odd flash of brilliance from Bale there has been little to get behind at home for 18 months. Even the atmosphere at aways in the main has gone rapidly downhill over the last 18. We do need some new songs though, which is where 1882 can certainly help. Get to away matches if you can't get tickets together for more than a few matches a season. Also in respect of upsetting others, how about getting in contact with the club before they release tickets to anybody, rather than pick a block a few days later where tickets could already be sold to families inc. young kids who don't want their view blocked by people standing and jumping up and down the whole match.
 
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As I posted under the article, my response to this is....
Some interesting points raised by the article, but I think the overall idea that "not everyone goes to sing" misses the point entirely.

Fact is that those who have issues with the movement have no greater claim to fandom or ownership than anyone who is in the movement. Firstly, many of them are simply fortunate to have had the funds and time to become season ticket holders and go so often. Others have had age on their side in terms of the years they have put into fandom. In fact, as someone who is almost 40, a long term fan and part of 1882 I find the implication that it's a bunch of 18 year olds really rather offensive.

In any event, football, historically, was a game of support. That's what fans did. That's why they went there. This notion that people go to study tactics, absorb the game quietly and so on simply do not get what football was historically and why 1882 are trying to revive that. You think that back in the 50s and 60s people were going to the Lane and sitting there quietly absorbing the tactics? Do me a favour.

If people want to quietly sit and absorb tactic then they can do so on the TV. Frankly it's much easier to do that view the television these days than it is while you are in the ground anyway. The Lane should be a place for the 12th man. I'm not saying that people have to sing for the full 90 minutes, but, in my view, anyone who buys a ticket has a moral duty to contribute in some fashion or another to the atmosphere and the support of their side. Personally I think this is all a cover for the inherent snobbery exhibited by some season ticket holders (by no means all, or a majority) that they are somehow better fans, and I think what this movement has done is shine a spotlight on certain individuals who have helped to contribute to the general dire atmosphere that now exists on match days, especially in the league, and that has made them squirm and become defensive.
 
How?
You called me a JCL. You may aswell have stabbed me in the eye with an aids infested needle from a transexual gooner. I only responded in the manner you attacked me.

Lets leave it at that.

Haha you really rate yourself dont you, do you have visions of being the bloke with the megaphone leading the crowd, it wouldnt get any better than that would it, well unless we upped sticks and moved to Enfield eh...
 
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