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1882 Concerning 1882: A View from a Season Ticket Holder

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As an ST old fart, I have had the best times at WHL when the atmosphere was electric and the noise was deafening. I sit in Lower Paxton these days and I hate it when I can't give vocal support because I would be the only one singing. I can't believe people get arsey because people are singing - if you don't want to sing, fair enough I suppose, but why would you want to stop others or feel threatened by them - surely we are all at the ground for the same reason - to support our team and wan them to play well. Totally agree that the supporters who go just to hurl abuse all the time should hang their heads in shame - yes, we are all entitled to feel frustration and have our views on individual players, but how can it help to have players not wanting to play at home?
I used to love away games because everybody sang, but unfortunately can't do that anymore. Maybe the solution is to have 'singing' sections but not sure that is a practical proposition for all games.
I would like to add that it was due to someone telling me about 1882 that I found my way to this forum, you can decide amongst yourselves whether that's a good thing or not!! But apart from when you boys start bickering and use foul and insulting language and I just want to bang your heads together, I really enjoy reading and exchanging views with fellow supporters. Long may it continue.
 
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Trotter said:
Also in respect of upsetting others, how about getting in contact with the club before they release tickets to anybody, rather than pick a block a few days later where tickets could already be sold to families inc. young kids who don't want their view blocked by people standing and jumping up and down the whole match.
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Isn't this exactly what happens? TFC are in contact with the club who advise which block to go for. That's certainly how I saw it happening.

It's only on non-1882 events, like West Ham in the quarters, where people talk about where to sit after they go on sale
 
I don't know, was just making a couple of suggestions of how to integrate better and avoid potential antagonisation, and be seen as a benefit by a lot more.
However from the piece I gathered that non-1882 have been caught up in the middle.
 
Park Lane Ninja said:
I'm sorry but this is the biggest load of bollocks ever. The article is clearly referring to the dark time at the end of the end nineties, early 2000's when it was truly dark. Those were the days when there was no waiting list for season tickets you would show up and they would show you round the ground so you could pick your seat. The days when only two games a year were sold out and the rest you could walk into the spurs shop in wood green and buy a ticket no problem. Nobody wanted to go to the lane because we were gash. We would lose to middlesborough and southampton and fulham on a regular.

Those were the days when we would get knocked out against a lower league club in cup competitions when they weren't even trying. When the team was full of Gary Doherty and Chris Perry. When we raved about beating a crap Leicester side in the worthless cup. Now we are challenging for champions league spots every year. We beat teams away all the time. I went to maine road in 2000 and whatever and saw us win away for the first time in the season and it was the end of January. Nowadays we have internationals all over the park and even when we're playing crap we're still 5 points off the top of the league.

The article raises some really good points. I remember when Graham was in charge there was so much in fighting amongst fans. Some who wanted to boo the team some who wanted to get behind the lads. I don't want to go back to those days. I don't want to be called a crap fan because I've had a bad day at work and don't feel like singing that game. I've been to games in Turkey where they have conductors who make the fans sing. It was great. I wouldn't want that every week though.

I think the 1882 movement is great but we've got to aim for harmony at the lane not division.
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How is harmony achieved by those that want to sing being told they have to be quiet by the supposed real fans?

I was around in the days you mention as well, and your post is a gross exaggeration of bad in was in the late 90s and onwards. In any event, I don't see how saying "it was much worse 15 years ago" translates into "that's a good reason for the Lane to be like a morgue now".
 
I stopped reading half way through, not because the author was talking bollocks (they weren't). The points made are very valid, but we shouldn't be criticised by the ST holders/other fans and we shouldn't criticise them. The club should be criticised though as they allocate us blocks, but the only people that know what blocks have been allocated for us are us. They should put a notification on the website starting that 'Block 35 has been allocated for 1882, please be aware that these fans are drunk, loud and inept at sitting down link to website' or something along those lines, so therefore people who don't want to have their experience 'ruined' will have some guidance of avoidance and those who want to be involved with the creation of the atmosphere who have little knowledge of 1882 know where to buy tickets
 
Trotter said:
But as a group you do. Also you can tell quite a lot of the movement literally only go to the 1882 matches based on what they say on here when they announce they are going, and the age demographic.
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That's bullshit. Plenty who go to 1882 go to other games. Some of us don't have the time to go all the time. I don't for work reasons. But I go as often as I can home and away with the chances that arise. I am 36 and I remember the nineties and noughties.

You are doing nothing but creating a shallow stereotype to promote your opinion, and that is nothing but a a disappointing straw man tactic.

Furthermore, and most importantly, being a fan should not be about a dick measuring contest - which seems to be what is happening based on pure assumption. Are fans who go to 40 games a year really bigger fans that those who go to 10 or 20? To suggest they are is a snobbish and arrogant attitude.
 
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Just to pick up on a point Trotter made about 1882 having a hardcore and the rest all being JCLs. There is reason that many of them don't do normal games - they are predominantly youngsters and can't afford to pay the extortionate prices. Does that make them any less of a Yid?
 
@ Trotter - Would like to offer my apologies for calling you names and being a general arse. Hope to see you sticking around and posting more often. As I said in the inbox discussion; I think it all boils down to the club being more open with their dialogue to fans and what sections of the ground offers what type of atmosphere.

All the best :adebaehug:
 
No, it doesn't is your answer Nutter. But it doesn't make them any more of a "supporter" either.

Anyway I have spoken with Bush Hill Spurs offline, and am offering him up an unreserved apology for calling him a JCL and the growing up comment.
 
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The looking down the nose by some at fans who want to wear replica tops is what gets me.

I don't and wouldn't wear one to a game but see no harm in others doing it.
 
I had a period away from going to games due to domestic/financial circumstances and didn't feel any less a supporter during that time. If you are prepared to stand up and be identified as a Spurs supporter, then you're a Spurs supporter. What is damaging is all this in-house fighting - suppose it happens in all families.
 
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But as a group you do. Also you can tell quite a lot of the movement literally only go to the 1882 matches based on what they say on here when they announce they are going, and the age demographic. I know the vast majority of the true 500 or so hardcore every match home and away fans, I am sure quite a few make up the numbers, but you never hear any of these "new fangled songs" at aways, and I am sure you could/would easily book up as a group together if many were in this number, and try and get some of the songs started.
As I say don't have an issue with the movement, has many good points, in fact getting some of the songs going at away matches may be an idea to get more integrated with the rest of the fanbase, but just do not have the opinion that has been shown by a few that by doing so you are a better fan, and if they don't join in they aren't a proper supporter.
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I'm not saying that the majority of 1882 make up the hardcore of 500, just that most are members or ST holders and go regularly. Some feel they've been forced out by either pricing or sterile atmosphere or both and see 1882 as a remedy to that (although pricing we're over a barrel on, and everyone suffers for that.)

We definitely understand that some of the chants sung by 1882 have alienated other supporters. The chastising of other areas of the stadium has happened, and it was frustrating to hear and be within a block doing that, without being able to stop it. We want that bollocks stopped, which is partly why we published this article and we've got a bloke who wants to speak on behalf who have issues with the 'movement' coming on the podcast next week. Ultimately a lot has been done that is right, the atmosphere at games 1882 at is better imo, and there's been things done that have been wrong - as far as The Fighting Cock are concerned we genuinely want to do everything we can to address and mend any ill feeling that 1882 has caused.
 
Unfortunately, yet understandably, it seems there are many, including @ Trotter , who are naive to, or don't fully know/understand how 1882 works.

For example, I've seen a fair few people saying that they only go to £20 games etc. They obviously don't understand that 1882 are only allocated certain games, chosen by the club, and these happen to be lower demand games (which in turn are cheaper). Plus what Flav has posted as I'm writing this. Many people can no longer, or can't in general, afford every/more expensive games. And others just don't want to go to WHL when it's dead and boring.

Many who like to join in with 1882 events when they're on, believe it or not, do go to games regularly, including myself. I don't agree with everything involved, certain songs etc.
 
Trotter said:
But as a group you do. Also you can tell quite a lot of the movement literally only go to the 1882 matches based on what they say on here when they announce they are going, and the age demographic.
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Forgot to respond to this. You're right of course as a group, but if we could get a block for every home game we would, but given the stadium and demand for tickets it's impossible.

Actually think that a regular place at the Lane would solve a lot of these problems. They'd be less Shoes Off guff, and it would be more traditional Tottenham support, but persistent for 90mins. Eventually we'll be able to drop the 1882 moniker all together. That's the overall aim.
 
flav. Totally understand where you are coming from, I do know it has the best intentions at heart. As well as the few 1882 home matches that you do a season, why not do a couple of 1882 away day matches. I am sure if you chose say a Cat C match, you could hire a coach, get pissed up together, get enough tickets and stand together and teach us a few of the songs. I'll even give you a SImon Cowell judgement on which are the ones to keep, and which might be worth rethinking :)
 
Generally I think that people who enjoy being a part of 1882 need to be less defensive of it. It's okay if people criticise it. It's far from perfect, and we're learning what is and isn't working. It's certainly moving at a speed that has surprised us all and we need to make sure it has a positive impact at White Hart Lane, rather than sections of the support thinking 'fuck here's these cunts again', which we're in danger of.
 
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flav. Totally understand where you are coming from, I do know it has the best intentions at heart. As well as the few 1882 home matches that you do a season, why not do a couple of 1882 away day matches. I am sure if you chose say a Cat C match, you could hire a coach, get pissed up together, get enough tickets and stand together and teach us a few of the songs. I'll even give you a SImon Cowell judgement on which are the ones to keep, and which might be worth rethinking :)
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Keeping 'shoes off' though yeah. Sweet.

Might be an idea, could well be an answer to some of the issues we're discussing.

If you could pass on our sentiments any others that would be decent.

Sit with us for Anzhi.
 
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