Could the fans buy ENIC out.

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Mrs Perryman said:
Not keen on an outsider buying us, all we are is the latest toy. Hope ENIC stay put, at least for the foreseeable future.
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There's certainly something to be said for "better the devil you know". Not that I think that ENIC are the devil by any stretch of the imagination.

I've never heard of this guy or what his sports team owning MO might be. But you never know, he might just be ENIC 2.0 (Which I would say am suggesting would be a good thing)
 
John Thomas said:
Now, I know you'd never refer to me as a melter or a moaner, but the real man at the helm, as I'm sure you're aware, is Joe Lewis.
He's not and never has been a football fan, let alone a Spurs fan.
I'm not knocking you're unbridled support for Daniel Levy here, that's your prerogative. But if you think ENIC are in the game for the love of Spurs rather than long term profit on their investment then your showing a huge amount of naivity.
Personally, I'd prefer a multi billionaire owner (like we have) who's main focus is success on the pitch, rather than recording record breaking financial results each year. 1 league cup in 2 decades is pretty shameful if we're honest.
But I guess we all have different ideas on the meaning of success
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Lewis has fuck all to do with the running of the club.
Levy calls the shots. Levy wants the VERY best for Tottenham.
We are so lucky to have him. I'm really proud of our club at all levels.
It doesn't matter if the owner is a multi billionaire or a pauper - the club needs to be self sufficient.
Then to mention the shame you have about our club because of the trophies (or lack of) - speaks volumes.

Not for me. A firm disagree.
 
John Thomas said:
Speaks volumes of what?
If you don't gauge the success of your football club by what we achieve on the pitch, how do you guage it?

Is this what makes you feel proud?

Tottenham announce world-record profits of £112.9m driven by player trading and Wembley crowds

Stick your league titles and European trophies, we won the profit margin title


Does this bring a tear to your eye

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Ranking the Average Prices of Premier League Club's Season Tickets Ahead of 2019/20 Season

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Fuck your FA cups, we charge our fans more than any others to watch their football team play, despite winning the best part of fuck all for two decades!

Yeah, sure. Daniel and Joe are in it for the love of Spurs.

It's fans like you that epitomize everthing that's wrong with the modern game, and why an investment company riding the gravy train of the modern game continually get away seeing their asset multiply in value with the success of the actual football team very low on the list of priorities.
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What speaks volumes - you described our lack of trophies as shameful. Suggesting you are ashamed of what we have or haven't won. You are ashamed of Tottenham, which to me speaks volumes. You clearly aren't happy with the way things are and have been going as the silverware returns don't meet your expectations. Not really necessary to explain this but expect you saw my response as 'shots fired'.

What makes me feel proud is the way we play football. The shirts we wear. Our history. The players that have come and gone. Not being a glory hunter. And when we next win a trophy, it will feel 100 times better for me than it seems to for say City or Madrid fans who are so used to winning - it's merely a minimum requirement.

Profits don't make me feel pride no. It confirms the club is being run well though.

Season ticket prices don't bring a tear to my eye no, though can safely gauge you are expecting some kind of reaction by the use of "tears". Well sorry, I'm not a petulant child.
The cost of season tickets don't bother me personally. It's very affordable really. If you want to talk about ticket pricing (which I don't think you do to be honest, you want a reaction) in my opinion we could further increase ticket prices with a clause. Lets say the average ticket is £70.. put that up to £80, but if we fail to win the game, £20 is refunded. I can't be bothered to do the proper sums looking at our home win %s, but we could probably guarantee more income over a season if we play well. Having a £90+ face value ticket to watch West Ham beat us, or Burnley hold us to a draw at home is really depressing. Paying £80-£90 to watch us beat Liverpool 4-1 or Madrid 3-1 is worth every penny - fuck if that was guaranteed I would pay an awful lot more.
I also think there should be schemes to enable low income families to take their kids to games, and also more availability for concessions. There's all sorts of ideas I would be keen to entertain.

We charge fans so much because we are a London club, play attractive football, have some of the best players in the world, and most importantly - it's the whole 'supply and demand' thing. We sold out a stadium to watch TV on the 1st June, and sold out for a friendly with Inter I understand.
If you don't feel like you get value for money - well you know what to do. I'm sure your shame of the club will be missed in the stands.

Lewis I couldn't tell you as he's quite private. Levy - I believe he loves our club entirely. He is proud of us, and is doing everything within his power to push us well beyond levels we ought to be fighting at, without being reckless ensuring proper longevity.

Okay, you make a pretty sweeping assumption about 'fans like me'. I could say similar things about yourself - but what's the point really? I'm here to talk Tottenham. It's another comment looking for some kind of reaction because I disagreed with you.
What's wrong with the modern game is a very broad subject which I can't be bothered to get into here - and that isn't the discussion you're looking for either.
 
MemphisWill said:
Honestly, I feel like they're (Liverpool) emulating us rather than the other way around. They were a mess, albeit with a huge commercial head start, when their current ownership group arrived. Go back 18 months and their current ownership group had a net spend of basically fuck all at this level, and supporters were moaning about spending money to keep up. Sound familiar?

They had a couple good breaks in quick succession selling Sterling, Suarez, & Coutinho for the GDP of a small nation, coupled shrewd investment with fortuitous academy progression, and landed a cup (a trophy they beat us for). Outside of that, what have they accomplished that we haven't. They won a trophy (a fucking massive one I'm still bitter about, tbf) so 1 on pitch accomplishment vs. massive off pitch progress for us. Its debateable, but I'd say in the main we've been the more successful since FSG took them over. If we'd won the CL there wouldn't even be anything to discuss.
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I don't think its emulation as much as realization that this is how you compete in modern football if you don't have unlimited funds.

The Coutinho sale basically took Liverpool from competing for Top 4 to European Champions and two points from winning the league. They took that money, along with Sakho cash (lol), and bought VVD, Allison and Fabinho. They also hit the jackpot on Robertson and TTA. They've pretty much had flawless transfer business since the summer of 2016. Some of that is good scouting and a solid plan, and some of that is luck. They also have more revenue so that certainly helps (£455m in 17/18, Tottenham had 20% less at £381m).

I am hoping that selling Eriksen, Toby, Trippier, Rose for £160m and reinvesting that, plus some academy prospects and some good luck, and we can end up in a similar place.
 
Am I remembering correctly?
Tottenham Hotspur played in a Champions League final last month?
Tottenham Hotspur played in consecutive FA Cup semifinals in 2018 and 2017?
Tottenham Hotspur played in a League Cup semifinal in 2019? A semifinal they would have won if the rules of the competition had not been changed for that year?
Tottenham Hotspur have finished 3rd, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in the last four years?
Manchester City and Chelsea are the only teams to finish ahead of Tottenham twice in those four years?
You morons are whining about mismanagement?
I am a newb American who watched his first Spurs game against Young Boys and fell in love at the San Siro. I remember reading how hopeless Tottenham was in Cl that year and how going to far in the competition could doom us. I remember the start of the Leicester season and hoping against hope for 4th place. This season just passed was great. A sugar daddy owner would be awesome but we don't have it and remember we could have Mike Ashley.
 
We could set up a bitcoin account, put a couple of quid in it each, once the price has reached a million quid a bitcoin, we buy the club, ok?
Then we could rotate who is the chairman like we used to rotate who takes the gerbil from school home for the weekend.
 
paddygspur said:
Fan ownership models are working in Germany and aren't the 2 Spanish giants Madrid & Barcelona fan owned.
You vote in a board who report back it's not voting each week to see who puts out the cones in training.
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We have two clubs in Belgium that are run that way too, but both went bankrupt at first and the fans bought the remainder of the club and vote the board for a few years (different rules at both clubs).
 
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