Our medical department must take some of the blame. Before Ange came there were numerous instances of players being treated for a long time and then decided that they needed an operation.
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Player Destiny Udogie
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Anybody know what I’m talking about as I’m sure I haven’t got a clue.
Could it not help with recovery though, and if you recover quicker than you would get less injuries?
This is the thing , the players are million pounds worth of assets owned by the club, there is no way in hell that the physios etc aren’t reporting back to the higher up of the club on injuries etc.
Our medical team are useless.
There’s also no way a coach could pick them to play before they are recovered and cleared to play.
Well on the amazon doc werent the medical staff afraid to go to mourinho on issues if i remember.I wouldnt absolve them but managers can get rid of staff
Statistically we aren’t even sprinting that much compared to other teams. Not at CB and FB at least. I’m guessing because we have the ball more.
Maybe there is a magic dose amount where recovery between games is increased but still doesn’t register as massively elevated on tests. It also could be that some teams have found a way to get hold of the testing schedules ahead of time and are able to build a dosage plan around them.
Here's a list of players who've been linked to Spurs since the summer TW closed.
PS! Again, NO, I do NOT believe that Spurs are after all of them or that the links are true.
GK: Anthony Patterson, James Trafford, Caiomhin Kelleher, Tommaso Martinelli, Joan García, Alex Remiro, Tomas Koubek, Edgar Badia, Michael Zetterer, Loris Karius, Daniel Peretz, Keylor Navas, John Victor Maciel Furtado,
LB: Ben Chilwell, Tyrick Mitchell, Patrick Dorgu, Maxim de Cuyper, Milos Kerkez, Bradley Locko, Julio Soler,
LC: Jarrad Brantwatie, Ayden Heaven, Gonçalo Inácio, Matteo Dams, Oliver Boscagli, Castello Lukeba, Pascal Struijk, Dávid Hancko, Omar Adelete, Kōki Machida, Hiroki Ito,
RC: Oscar Sandiford, Marc Guehi, Fikayo Tomori, Joe Gomez, Trevoh Chalobah, Rico Browne, Ben Godfrey, Joachim Andersen, Tobias Slotsager, Jan Paul van Hecke, Matte Smets, Benjamin Pavard, Jonathan Tah, Yann Bisseck, Illia Zabarnyi, Samson Baidoo, Joel Matip, Abdukodir Khusanov, Ko Itakura,
RB: Kyle Walker-Peters, Andrei Ratiu, Devyne Rensch, Lutsharel Geertruida, Michael Kaoyde, Yan Couto, Vanderson de Oliveira,
DM: Hayden Hackney, Quinten Timber, Adrien Rabiot, Samuele Ricci, Boris Lum, Carlos Baleba, Johnny Cardoso,
CM: Angel Gomes, Jobe Bellingham, Harry Winks, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, Javi Guerra, Davide Frattesi, Leon Goretzka, Tijjani Reijnders, Maxence Caqueret, Nicolò Fagioli, Niccolò Pisilli, Davide Frattesi, Valentin Atangana, Orkun Kökcü, Malik Tillman, Ederson, João Gomes, Andy Diouf,
OM: Chris Rigg, Eberechi Eze, Morgan Gibbs-White, Jacob Ramsey, Daniel Rigge, Kyran Thompson, Julian Brandt, Pavel Šulc, Enzo Millot, Matheus Cunha, Rayane Bounida, Ryan Cherki,
LF: Jamie Gittens, Romaine Mundle, Callum Huddon-Odoi, Jadon Sancho, Ademola Lookman, Antonio Nusa, Javi Puado, Raúl Moro, Nico Williams, Chris Führich, Memphis Depay, Noah Okafor, Barış Alper Yılmaz, Kerem Aktürkoğlu, Thiago Fernández, Antoine Semenyo, Simon Adingra,
CF: Harry Gray, Liam Delap, Marcus Rashford, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Ivan Toney, Evan Ferguson, Mason Melia, Michael Noonan (St. Patrick-Atheltic), Viktor Gyökeres, Lois Openda, Jonathan David, Igor Jesus, Vitor Roque, Samu Omorodion, Kévin Denkey, Omar Marmoush,
RF: Tyler Dibling, James McAtee, Louie Berry, Marcus Edwards, Roony Bardghji, Andreas Skov Olsen, Johan Bakayoko, Nicolas Kühn, Leroy Sané, Dennis Man, Geovany Quenda, Kevin Zenón, Arda Güler, Facundo Buonanotte, Darío Osorio, Takefusa Kubo, Yusuf Yazıcı, Endrick,
PS! Again, NO, I do NOT believe that Spurs are after all of them or that the links are true.
GK: Anthony Patterson, James Trafford, Caiomhin Kelleher, Tommaso Martinelli, Joan García, Alex Remiro, Tomas Koubek, Edgar Badia, Michael Zetterer, Loris Karius, Daniel Peretz, Keylor Navas, John Victor Maciel Furtado,
LB: Ben Chilwell, Tyrick Mitchell, Patrick Dorgu, Maxim de Cuyper, Milos Kerkez, Bradley Locko, Julio Soler,
LC: Jarrad Brantwatie, Ayden Heaven, Gonçalo Inácio, Matteo Dams, Oliver Boscagli, Castello Lukeba, Pascal Struijk, Dávid Hancko, Omar Adelete, Kōki Machida, Hiroki Ito,
RC: Oscar Sandiford, Marc Guehi, Fikayo Tomori, Joe Gomez, Trevoh Chalobah, Rico Browne, Ben Godfrey, Joachim Andersen, Tobias Slotsager, Jan Paul van Hecke, Matte Smets, Benjamin Pavard, Jonathan Tah, Yann Bisseck, Illia Zabarnyi, Samson Baidoo, Joel Matip, Abdukodir Khusanov, Ko Itakura,
RB: Kyle Walker-Peters, Andrei Ratiu, Devyne Rensch, Lutsharel Geertruida, Michael Kaoyde, Yan Couto, Vanderson de Oliveira,
DM: Hayden Hackney, Quinten Timber, Adrien Rabiot, Samuele Ricci, Boris Lum, Carlos Baleba, Johnny Cardoso,
CM: Angel Gomes, Jobe Bellingham, Harry Winks, Kiernan Dewsbury-Hall, Javi Guerra, Davide Frattesi, Leon Goretzka, Tijjani Reijnders, Maxence Caqueret, Nicolò Fagioli, Niccolò Pisilli, Davide Frattesi, Valentin Atangana, Orkun Kökcü, Malik Tillman, Ederson, João Gomes, Andy Diouf,
OM: Chris Rigg, Eberechi Eze, Morgan Gibbs-White, Jacob Ramsey, Daniel Rigge, Kyran Thompson, Julian Brandt, Pavel Šulc, Enzo Millot, Matheus Cunha, Rayane Bounida, Ryan Cherki,
LF: Jamie Gittens, Romaine Mundle, Callum Huddon-Odoi, Jadon Sancho, Ademola Lookman, Antonio Nusa, Javi Puado, Raúl Moro, Nico Williams, Chris Führich, Memphis Depay, Noah Okafor, Barış Alper Yılmaz, Kerem Aktürkoğlu, Thiago Fernández, Antoine Semenyo, Simon Adingra,
CF: Harry Gray, Liam Delap, Marcus Rashford, Dominic Calvert-Lewin, Ivan Toney, Evan Ferguson, Mason Melia, Michael Noonan (St. Patrick-Atheltic), Viktor Gyökeres, Lois Openda, Jonathan David, Igor Jesus, Vitor Roque, Samu Omorodion, Kévin Denkey, Omar Marmoush,
RF: Tyler Dibling, James McAtee, Louie Berry, Marcus Edwards, Roony Bardghji, Andreas Skov Olsen, Johan Bakayoko, Nicolas Kühn, Leroy Sané, Dennis Man, Geovany Quenda, Kevin Zenón, Arda Güler, Facundo Buonanotte, Darío Osorio, Takefusa Kubo, Yusuf Yazıcı, Endrick,
Who really believes that Olmo would take a pay-cut to join Spurs over Liverpool or Man City 
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Udogie has shown both for Udinese and Italy that he’s very attack minded. This all comes down to Ange’s stupid tactics and not playing to the players strengths, instead nullifying them and exposing their weaknesses.
Vicario - doesn’t command his area. It took Ange months before he started protecting him with defenders.
Udogie - left wing back by trade but Ange inverts him into midfield and leaving him in no man’s land.
Porro - right wing back/forward by trade who’s also very attack minded but Ange excels at playing him in a way that also nullifies his strengths and exposes his weaknesses.
Romero and Van de Ven - two quality centre backs who would be a nightmare to get in behind if we positioned them as per any of the other 19 EPL teams but no, they’re pretty much stood near the half way line and have to turn and sprint back = injuries galore and or chances/goals for the opposition.
Any of our combo of 3 central midfielders should = solidarity, physical presence, both defensive and offensive play but more often than not we look like we’ve no central midfield.
Maddison - loves space, to float between the midfield and defensive lines of the opposition. He however often goes missing and/or has no space to play in because Ange wants Udogie and Porro sat in his back pocket.
Son - he’s a forward, not a winger. He’s also 32? He’s not going to run up and down the wing all game as per Ange’s tactical requirements.
Solanke - he’s a fox in the box but despite Ange’s early tactics and playing preferably quick low crosses into the box, he’s pretty much been starved of service this season. When we’ve Udogie, Porro and Spence who excel at this but aren’t utilised for this, it’s infuriating. Having one of the full backs providing the width would = Maddison/Kulusevki, Johnson, Son etc giving us additional bodies in and around the box to support Solanke.
The list goes on…
Until Ange or a new manager uses tactics that suit the squad then we’ll continue to both run players into the ground, wreck their confidence and make them look like a shadow of their former selves.
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I’m sure I remember seeing Jose have similar discussions with a physio on the Amazon documentary a while back ?
Yeah he was wanting them to recover and play faster. Didn’t give a solitary fuck about long term player condition
Yep and it’s pretty common for managers/coaches to come out and say the players can give them 45 mins, an hour or in some extreme cases 20 mins.
We often hear the line ‘there’s more going on than is being reported’ which often translates in terms of injuries - we’ve say 7 out injured and may be a half dozen more walking wounded.
With Ange’s ‘reported’ guidance from the board to get the most out of the current squad, find diamonds in the rough (transfer market) and to utilise the academy it is all the more frustrating when he continues to either play players who are running on empty, lacking or no match fitness and leaves the kids who are the future of the club sat twiddling their thumbs on the bench.
Other clubs have utilised the kids, especially over Christmas. Liverpool - Quansah, Elliott and even more so last season and the one prior when they blooded a good 4-6 kids. Woolwich - Lewis-Skelly, Nwaneri, Newcastle - Hall, Osula, Miley, Man C - McAtee, Simpson-Pusey… whether it be a few mins or longer, they’ve exposed the kids to EPL football. For a few months now our bench has been full of kids but they’ve not had a look in… even when the players on the pitch were running on fumes and miles off the pace.
My team from that list …..
Garcia
Kaode…..Khusanov….Branthwaite….Dorgu
Ederson….Cardosa….Gibbs White
Bakayoko….Gyokeres….Semenyo
HGH fluctuates for people and it’s easy to naturally improve it so it’s hard to fail tests. It is also rarely tested for anyway, most performance enhancing tests would be based around test levels instead. I used to take 2IU of HGH EOD and it never would have been detected in drug tests. I don’t know how effective it would have been on heavy cardio (I was primarily weight lifting) but I never injured myself on it and I’m quite injury prone (shoulders). My thoughts are micro-dosing at 0.5 would not make too much difference, but a larger dosage could help, but whether they are doing it is another debate. I know Italian teams in the late 90s/early 00s were rumoured to be doping but I imagine that would be EPO.
Quicker you recover, the better. If you’re fully recovered the chance of injury is minimal (provided you warm up correctly, and are of good fitness etc). HGH certainly helps with recovery. After heavy training your muscles might be down to 70% health, but they will be better than before once full recovered, if you don’t fully recover the next time you train they might drop to 50%, and if it carries on your muscles are at serious risk of injury.
I wish I could like this post TWICE. It's so accurate.part of my frustration is that I think the vaunted Angeball is maximising our frailty. If Spursy is a thing then this is it putting together the perfect squad for Conte under some weird free jazz exponent.
I think the only players in our squad that truly fit Ange’s style are
Solanke
Timo
Kulu
Mickey
Romero
Bentancur probably would’ work as another 8 but definitely not as the 6.
I’d also group Son and Johnson in your Solanke post. These guys have shown to be clinical if
They get service yet they’ve been started.
Ive been told by people who would know that NBA players use it. That’s why they always have a beard during the Play-Offs.
It’s one of those things I bet lots of clubs do but morally virtuous Spurs don’t do because Levy wants to play it by the book