Player Djed Spence

[dudu]

I think the loans were never intended to broker a deal to sell Spence.

Daniel Farke had Spence at Leeds and the same playbook prevailed as the one when Farke 'looked after' Marcus Edwards at Norwich.

Spence was probably pissed off, during this period, for no other reason than he knew he was the best full back at Spurs, just like we do now, and couldn't understand why a football club would prefer to loan out their better players than actually play them in the first team.

The only person at THFC with an attitude problem is Daniel Greedy.

He has an indifferent attitude towards creating a successful team.

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So it's the guy who bought the player you rate ,not the guy who didn't play him that is the issue.

we have had some good chats mate - but honestly, you sound like a MAGA cultist whose every thought or instinct they have starts with 'Joe Biden'

Everything I read of yours starts with the premise that it is Levy's fault and you find a way to that conclusion however you can...

And just like a MAGA cultist, I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

 

[Kosher Kid]

So it's the guy who bought the player you rate ,not the guy who didn't play him that is the issue.

we have had some good chats mate - but honestly, you sound like a MAGA cultist whose every thought or instinct they have starts with 'Joe Biden'

Everything I read of yours starts with the premise that it is Levy's fault and you find a way to that conclusion however you can...

And just like a MAGA cultist, I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

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The facts are as follows;

The club (Levy) signed Djed Spence while Conte was the manager and he made his feelings clear.

The club (Levy) then sacked Conte and appointed Ange.

Ange has 'chosen' to initially overlook Spence, from team selection, for best part of 18 months.

Ange has then 'chosen' to select Spence for the team, during an injury crisis, but only play him at left back, despite assertions from many that Porro is 'tired' and overplayed.

I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

There are also a bunch of cults, on various THFC forums, who continue to apologise for and defend this weirdness by attempting to insult anyone who questions it, on a personal level, by conflating the truth and calling for banning orders .

What a bunch of weirdo's.

 

[Phomesy]

The facts are as follows;

The club (Levy) signed Djed Spence while Conte was the manager and he made his feelings clear.

The club (Levy) then sacked Conte and appointed Ange.

Ange has 'chosen' to initially overlook Spence, from team selection, for best part of 18 months.

Ange has then 'chosen' to select Spence for the team, during an injury crisis, but only play him at left back, despite assertions from many that Porro is 'tired' and overplayed.

I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

There are also a bunch of cults, on various THFC forums, who continue to apologise for and defend this weirdness by attempting to insult anyone who questions it, on a personal level, by conflating the truth and calling for banning orders .

What a bunch of weirdo's.

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Spence's first start in the Premier League was at RB - resting Porro who was on the bench. Udogie started on the left.

I've already written a fairly comprehensive timeline of Spence's reintegration at the club but I'll post it again for you in case you missed it. That way you can be properly informed.

Here you go:

This meme has got completely out of control. You have no idea what Ange thinks/thought about Spence. So let's try and address facts, eh?

We know Spence was on the verge of being flogged to Genoa last summer. We don't know what happened next but presumably he went to the manager and stated he wanted to try and break into the team. Postecoglou gave him one last chance - one that all of Spence's previous managers except Steve Cooper hadn't.

That is fact. All we know for certain is that Spence was about to flogged for a loss. but ended up staying.

So now he's bottom of the pile. He has to prove himself. Train hard, show willing and fight for his chance.

That chance came against Coventry on 18th September. Came on second half - out of position as LB - and was great. Took his chance. Now he's caught the eye but he's still got a lot to prove. Porro is clearly number 1 RB; Udogie clearly number 1 LB. So it's going to be hard.

He's on the bench for the 3-1 win over Brentford. Fair enough. Still got a long way to go to break into the PL team.

He then gets 45 minutes in the win against United. Replaces Udogie (who is not injured just rested) for the second half and again plays well out of position. He's now trusted by the manager to have PL minutes when we're in good position. And is now an option to rotate in game out of position LB/RB. He has the managers trust. This is going well. He's moving up the squad ladder.

Then its the Brighton game - he almost certainly would have made a sub appearance if we were in control but disaster strikes and we throw away a 0-2 lead. Postecoglou relies on his 1st teamers to get out of the mess they created. Mistake? Probably. Understandable - probably. Most managers don't turn to fringe players to get them out of a jam.

And what happens next? Spence gets a groin injury. He misses 3 games. Back on the bench as an unused sub for Ipswich. Comes on late in the City win to help see it out. This groin injury is a set back. This is what stalled his progress.

The next 3 games is where Postecoglou leaves him on the bench as we suffer a series of disappointing results. This is the one patch of the year where you can legitimately say Postecoglou made a mistake. But considering Spence started at the bottom of the pile he wasn't getting ahead of Porro and Udogie who were NOT INJURED and we desperately needed results and under pressure managers rely on what they know has worked for them. But, yes, feel free to have a crack at Postecoglou for this stretch of games.

But Djed keeps going. Doesn't drop his head. Finally gets his chance when he starts against Southampton. He's great.

And hasn't missed a game since EXCEPT for the Wolves game where he was suspended. The Wolves game was where Udogie did his hamstring. Spence couldn't have played because he was suspended.

And since then he's played every game hes been available for and has now proved himself beyond doubt.

Those are the facts. If you look at them and still want to continue this fantasy that Postecoglou never gave him a chance or never believed in him then I'd suggest you are exhibiting "cult like" behaviour.

In this shitty clusterfuck of a season the one good thing - one feel good story - has been Djed Spence turning his career around with the help of the manager who gave him a chance.


Oh - and the REAL MISTAKE Postecoglou made wasn't in not believing in Spence (he clearly did as shown above) it was NOT BELIEVING in Brandon Austin. If he did then Spence gets in the EL squad over Forster and the whole process outlined above would have been accelerated.

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I won't comment on your Levy take on this because I don't know enough about the inner workings of the club except to say Postecoglou doesn't seem the type to take orders about on-field matters from the Chairman but I could be wrong.

 

[Kosher Kid]

Spence's first start in the Premier League was at RB - resting Porro who was on the bench. Udogie started on the left.

I've already written a fairly comprehensive timeline of Spence's reintegration at the club but I'll post it again for you in case you missed it. That way you can be properly informed.

Here you go:


I won't comment on your Levy take on this because I don't know enough about the inner workings of the club except to say Postecoglou doesn't seem the type to take orders about on-field matters from the Chairman but I could be wrong.

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Porro is clearly number 1 RB

My point on the issues around Spence are as follows;

None of us know what goes on at Spurs on the training ground and in private conversations between the chairman and the manager.

Most of what supporters are told about these matters are from official sources via the club or rumours from the 'i am hearing crowd' like Ali Gold and the usual suspects.

We know fuck all is something I think we can agree on.

Your assertions about who has been first choice in the full back positions under Ange are also something I do not dispute.

The preference for Porro at right back and Udogie at left back has been obvious. Many supporters feel both have been over played; especially this season.

Spence was mustard during pre season. Surprisingly so.

He was then left out until he was sent to Coventry.

Spence single handedly rescued Spurs at Coventry, while playing out of position on the left.

He was then 'absent' with 'injury' until Udogie got injured.

Spence has consistently been one of the best players in a Spurs shirt ever since.

Choosing to believe the bad attitude, trouble maker, narrative is an option if that is what tickles your fancy.

I call bullshit.

Spence is quality and Porro is the fraud.

The Spain coach was right.

The Tamworth left winger showed all Spurs supporters who the best right or left back at Spurs really is.

I can point to 40 million reasons why Porro has been picked ahead of Spence and it isn't because of Spence's attitude.

Keep going.

 

[Phomesy]

Porro is clearly number 1 RB

My point on the issues around Spence are as follows;

None of us know what goes on at Spurs on the training ground and in private conversations between the chairman and the manager.

Most of what supporters are told about these matters are from official sources via the club or rumours from the 'i am hearing crowd' like Ali Gold and the usual suspects.

We know fuck all is something I think we can agree on.

Your assertions about who has been first choice in the full back positions under Ange are also something I do not dispute.

The preference for Porro at right back and Udogie at left back has been obvious. Many supporters feel both have been over played; especially this season.

Spence was mustard during pre season. Surprisingly so.

He was then left out until he was sent to Coventry.

Spence single handedly rescued Spurs at Coventry, while playing out of position on the left.

He was then 'absent' with 'injury' until Udogie got injured.

Spence has consistently been one of the best players in a Spurs shirt ever since.

Choosing to believe the bad attitude, trouble maker, narrative is an option if that is what tickles your fancy.

I call bullshit.

Spence is quality and Porro is the fraud.

The Spain coach was right.

The Tamworth left winger showed all Spurs supporters who the best right or left back at Spurs really is.

I can point to 40 million reasons why Porro has been picked ahead of Spence and it isn't because of Spence's attitude.

Keep going.

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Again most of your posting is pure conjecture but the bit in bold is simply factually incorrect. Again I suggest you look at the FACTUAL timeline I've written up. Spence was being integrated slowly bu surely into the first team squad rotation until he, Spence, got injured. Not "injured" - there was no conspiracy. He had a groin injury.

Spence's first start was at RB vs Southampton. He played Vs Nottingham Forrest and got two yellow cards so was suspended for Wolves which is the game where Udogie got injured. These are facts. Ignoring them is weird.

I agree with you that Spence is better than Porro but that is simply our preference.

I'm a huge Spence fan but there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to suggest the problem has never been his talent but his application. There's overwhelming evidence to suggest that he's grown as a person and, with the support of the manager, now an integral part fo our first team squad.

This is objectively a good thing. I don't understand your need to drag it through the mud but that's fine - it's your opinion. But please get the facts right.

 

[Kosher Kid]

Again most of your posting is pure conjecture but the bit in bold is simply factually incorrect. Again I suggest you look at the FACTUAL timeline I've written up. Spence was being integrated slowly bu surely into the first team squad rotation until he, Spence, got injured. Not "injured" - there was no conspiracy. He had a groin injury.

Spence's first start was at RB. He played Vs Nottingham Forrest and got two yellow cards so was suspended for Wolves which is the game where Udogie got injured. These are facts. Ignoring them is weird.

I agree with you that Spence is better than Porro but that is simply our preference.

I'm a huge Spence fan but there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to suggest the problem has never been his talent but his application. There's overwhelming evidence to suggest that he's grown as a person and, with the support of the manager, now an integral part fo our first team squad.

This is objectively a good thing. I don't understand your need to drag it through the mud but that's fine - it's your opinion. But please get the facts right.

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You have your opinion; I have mine.

I see so many similarities with what happened to Marcus Edwards at Spurs that I can no longer buy into any of the crap that is spouted by the brown nosing journalists who 'hear things' from the club.

Both Edwards and Spence found it difficult to get game time at Spurs when they clearly had more ability than players that got game time.

Both were loaned to Daniel Farke teams and subsequently had their character assasinated with whispered rumours of having the wrong attitude, being difficult, or keeping the wrong company off the pitch.

There was talk of Edwards having contractual issues during his time at Spurs. Spence managed to get his new contract sorted before he began being picked regularly.

Neither you or I really know the real reasons why Spence was left out for 18 months when he is clearly a very talented footballer.

Whatever the reason was it makes Spurs look foolish.

Who continually makes Spurs look foolish?

 

[FOK]

From the BBC

Djed Spence has been dribbled past 3 times this season…..

Udogie 11 times

Pedro porro 26 times…

 

[Phomesy]

You have your opinion; I have mine.

I see so many similarities with what happened to Marcus Edwards at Spurs that I can no longer buy into any of the crap that is spouted by the brown nosing journalists who 'hear things' from the club.

Both Edwards and Spence found it difficult to get game time at Spurs when they clearly had more ability than players that got game time.

Both were loaned to Daniel Farke teams and subsequently had their character assasinated with whispered rumours of having the wrong attitude, being difficult, or keeping the wrong company off the pitch.

There was talk of Edwards having contractual issues during his time at Spurs. Spence managed to get his new contract sorted before he began being picked regularly.

Neither you or I really know the real reasons why Spence was left out for 18 months when he is clearly a very talented footballer.

Whatever the reason was it makes Spurs look foolish.

Who continually makes Spurs look foolish?

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That's cool. Like I said you're allowed to have your conspiracy theories - I don't necessarily agree. It appears on face value to be the same story we see repeated across sports all over the world - talented youngster needs to grow up and become a professional to maximise his talent.

But you could be right. Fair enough. I don't understand why talented players with the correct professional attitude would be frozen out by people at the club but who knows?

As long as we get the facts right. And the facts are that, since almost being flogged to Genoa in July, Spence has followed a pretty standard path from talented fringe player to outstanding squad member and I'm all for that. Bloke could be anything. Love him.

 

[Kaz Hirai]

From the BBC

Djed Spence has been dribbled past 3 times this season…..

Udogie 11 times

Pedro porro 26 times…

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we are..or at least want to be a front foot attacking team, Porro is number one as he is superior in this regard. progressive passes, xg, axg, big chance creation, shot creating, progressive carries etc etc are all bound to be higher. which is why he starts
If we were to get another coach who want's more balance i'd expect Djed to be more heavily favoured. with our transitional weakness Djed has certainly been better for us than Udogie

 

[Phomesy]

From the BBC

Djed Spence has been dribbled past 3 times this season…..

Udogie 11 times

Pedro porro 26 times…

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Also Spence doesn't jump into the press too late and too rashly. I like Porro but he makes the same mistakes over and over. I don't trust him any more even though I like him as a character and a footballer.

 

[Kosher Kid]

From the BBC

Djed Spence has been dribbled past 3 times this season…..

Udogie 11 times

Pedro porro 26 times…

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I would love to know what Spence was like in training?

This just makes us look like cunts doesn't it?

He's the best defender at the club while many are wetting the bed about Romero and Porro getting poached by Madrid.

 

[Kosher Kid]

That's cool. Like I said you're allowed to have your conspiracy theories

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That's so kind.

So I have your permission and approval?

Regards to Daniel.

Cheers mate.

 

[Phomesy]

That's so kind.

So I have your permission and approval?

Regards to Daniel.

Cheers mate.

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Umm... it's the very definition of a conspiracy theory isn't it? You believe there has been a conspiracy to freeze Spence out of the club, don't you?

I'm not sure I understand who is to blame for this though? Is it Levy? Didn't Levy buy Spence when Conte didn't want him? Why would Levy subsequently freeze him out? Or isn't that what you're saying?

Another defining attribute of conspiracy theories is that they're very hard to comprehend when viewed objectively.

But I agree with you that Spence is the best defender at the club.

 

[Kosher Kid]

Umm... it's the very definition of a conspiracy theory isn't it? You believe there has been a conspiracy to freeze Spence out of the club, don't you?

I'm not sure I understand who is to blame for this though? Is it Levy? Didn't Levy buy Spence when Conte didn't want him? Why would Levy subsequently freeze him out? Or isn't that what you're saying?

Another defining attribute of conspiracy theories is that they're very hard to comprehend when viewed objectively.

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Spence was a club signing according to Conte.

Conte and Ange were both hired by the miser to 'pick the team'.

Neither Conte or Ange picked Spence for the team on a regular basis until two years after Spence was signed.

Conte was sacked.

Ange is under pressure.

Levy is under pressure.

Spence is the best full back at the club.

Who is being subjective or objective in this thread?

 

[Airfixx]

So it's the guy who bought the player you rate ,not the guy who didn't play him that is the issue.

we have had some good chats mate - but honestly, you sound like a MAGA cultist whose every thought or instinct they have starts with 'Joe Biden'

Everything I read of yours starts with the premise that it is Levy's fault and you find a way to that conclusion however you can...

And just like a MAGA cultist, I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

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100% nailed it.

An exhausting waste of time..... It's all a big mush of conspiracy theory and confirmation bias.... No matter what the topic.

 

[Kaz Hirai]

Again most of your posting is pure conjecture but the bit in bold is simply factually incorrect. Again I suggest you look at the FACTUAL timeline I've written up. Spence was being integrated slowly bu surely into the first team squad rotation until he, Spence, got injured. Not "injured" - there was no conspiracy. He had a groin injury.

Spence's first start was at RB vs Southampton. He played Vs Nottingham Forrest and got two yellow cards so was suspended for Wolves which is the game where Udogie got injured. These are facts. Ignoring them is weird.

I agree with you that Spence is better than Porro but that is simply our preference.

I'm a huge Spence fan but there is more than enough circumstantial evidence to suggest the problem has never been his talent but his application. There's overwhelming evidence to suggest that he's grown as a person and, with the support of the manager, now an integral part fo our first team squad.

This is objectively a good thing. I don't understand your need to drag it through the mud but that's fine - it's your opinion. But please get the facts right.

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right, don't think there' s any great mystery here.

I feel Ange is a fairly straight shooter and he's mentioned on a few occasions since Djed has been back in the side that he needed to mature as a person, and now he has.
"We needed Djed to be patient and mature a little bit, and I think he has." - Ange after Brentford

Conte rather played Emerson Royal, and Matt doherty over him

Farke sent him back to us mid loan - Leeds manager Daniel Farke has suggested concerns over Djed Spence's attitude and punctuality (evening standard)

this was from a journalist when he got his loan move to Italy:

“Spence has gone to Genoa, never to return, from what I’m hearing. There seems to be issues. I’m hearing things that suggest he has a lot of maturity left to find let’s just say,”
By the sounds of it, Spence does carry a bit of an ego with him, but the penny now has to drop for the player.


His career is going in the wrong direction, and surely after playing for four clubs in 18 months he realises that something has to change.

Who knows? Maybe a spell in Italy could be just what he needs to get his head down and get back on track, but, by the sounds of it, he won’t be playing for Tottenham again anytime soon.

Let’s hope that Spence can get his head straight and start moving in the right direction again.

Rather than question why he's not played, I think he should be applauded for turning it around, as we've seen many young footballers just fail at Premier league level because of their Attitude

 

[Kosher Kid]

Just because you write a big post doesn’t make it correct. I need to trust my own understanding of the issue as it has progressed. The argument I see from you is revisionism.

I don’t want to waste time arguing pedantic details with you. Simply accept that I don’t agree Ange would have used Spence if he wasn’t forced to by injury.

And I really resent that you somehow attach my name to low level Ange name calling- I’ve never derided him as a “fat fuck” or anything of the sort- for you to accuse me of that is gross and despicable.

In fact I have found reason to praise him in certain ways including that I like the idea of his football and think it almost works.

But to say I’m attached to calling him a fat cunt or things of that sort- disgusting- you can do better than that.

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There are a few Levy apologists trolling the forum today bud.

Rallying the troops behind the 'project'.

Anyone rocking the boat will be tagged for a sin binning if they can pull it off.

They're pulling you back onside because you're stepping outside of the narrative.

Join me and the pitchfork gang if you like.

We will be banging spoons together and erecting the stocks soon.

The fun is just beginning.

 

[Kosher Kid]

Rather than question why he's not played, I think he should be applauded for turning it around, as we've seen many young footballers just fail at Premier league level because of their Attitude

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Spence has not 'turned it around'

It's not Dele or Rashford.

Spence has been denied playing time while inferior players; Doherty, Royal, Porro and Udogie have been picked for the side, over a two year period.

To be perfectly honest Spence would be completely justified in having a bad attitude for being left out behind these players, having been persuaded to sign for Spurs, then loaned to managers and situations where information about his alledged character failings were leaked to the press.

It's clearly bullshit.

Spence is proving himself to be a player with ability and the elusive winning mentality that has been sadly lacking at THFC for decades.

I now fully understand why Spurs were considering selling Harry Kane for 600K to Leicester before Tim Sherwood, or Dim Shitwood as he was affectionately tagged in a similar manner to Spence, insisted that Kane was ready to step up.

At THFC good things happen by accident is how it looks.

 

[Phomesy]

Ange-derangement-syndrome.

Fuckin cultists

 

[Shotgunofmichalebrow]

The facts are as follows;

The club (Levy) signed Djed Spence while Conte was the manager and he made his feelings clear.

The club (Levy) then sacked Conte and appointed Ange.

Ange has 'chosen' to initially overlook Spence, from team selection, for best part of 18 months.

Ange has then 'chosen' to select Spence for the team, during an injury crisis, but only play him at left back, despite assertions from many that Porro is 'tired' and overplayed.

I know you won't be able to see it or get it.... but it's there, it's real, and it's weird.

There are also a bunch of cults, on various THFC forums, who continue to apologise for and defend this weirdness by attempting to insult anyone who questions it, on a personal level, by conflating the truth and calling for banning orders .

What a bunch of weirdo's.

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The odd thing about Conte and there’s a bloody long list. He now just refuses to work with young players. It's odd because he can and is good at making players. Victor Moses wide forward to title winning wingback. Same with Ashley Young.

He clearly had the hump and flat out refused to consider Djed for selection, this would understandably hurt the player. If he had tried he'd have found out all the deeply suspect attitude talk was hiding an exceptionally talented player perfect for his system.

Spence became collateral in a power play and credulous folk were very quick to pile in. I'm delighted he's now shown everyone his talent because if ever we're we stupid enough to sleep on him he now has some very high profile admirers I'm told. So it's going to be fascinating if he gets to challenge Porro for his favoured position Spence will have him on toast in a genuine meritocracy.